Putin Bows to Obama, Pulls Troops


tay
#1
Russia's President Vladimir Putin has ordered troops near Ukraine's border to withdraw, the Kremlin says.



BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Putin orders troops back from border
 
Locutus
+2
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MHz
#3
Is it really a withdrawl in that they are still on Russian soil? In keeping how the US does wargames in Jordan is any 'new hardware' left behind? (well of course there is) and what was taken away there was added to Crimea's strengths.

However let the West spin it was a withdrawal (and capitulation) and now Kiev should do the same with it's troops and the 'free and fair elections' can get into the mode where politicians state their promises. (like is happening in Syria at the moment)

Is this Kiev's version of the 'troops are coming home, in a box?
650 Ukrainian soldiers killed, wounded in course of special operation - Slavyansk 'people's mayor' - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opin
 
mentalfloss
#4
Too little too late.

The vote was made and the Russians got what they wanted.

This wasn't much of a crisis anyway.
 
MHz
#5
It is setting a trend though, NATO will let Russia do whatever and then try to spin it as a victory for the West. What's next, the collapse of the USD will no be put on Russia's doorstep as it being 'their fault'?
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#6
We watched a civil war fought with a ballot perhaps. I agree lawlessness in the manner
the Crimea broke away is not in keeping with international standards. It is also of note
the citizens appear to have decided they didn't want to go with the west and decided their
future with anarchy.
The people of the Crimea might well decide to leave the region and go to Ukraine proper
should that happen and the youth and workforce trained people Crimea will be the long
term losers from a human advancement perspective
It is unfortunate emerging democracies cannot settle their differences in a better way
 
MHz
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

lawlessness in the manner
the Crimea broke away is not in keeping with international standards.

So voting peacefully and then acting on that vote is 'illegal' why what law exactly and a violent overthrow like happened in Kiev is in keeping with those same standards? (in your world) Care to post the appropriate parts from some document that they say has authority in this case?
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#8
This is international diplomacy at work and yes the Russians backed down mostly
due to other financial and trade consideration. The Russians didn't count of the
display of support from the folks who mattered. They wanted to protect their military
base not start a war.
Remember the US Cuban crisis? The Russians backed down and the Americans
removed some of their missiles from Russia's southern boarder no different
There are some who don't want Obama to get credit for anything that is equally as
silly
 
EagleSmack
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has ordered troops near Ukraine's border to withdraw, the Kremlin says.



BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Putin orders troops back from border

And the Crimea?

FAIL.
 
MHz
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

And the Crimea?

FAIL.

That is probably where they moved to, to help with water delivery now that Kiev is trying to cut off some supplies. I'm not expecting the dredging down to 75 ft is just to make room for ships that will be sunk.

Look at what Putin is doing to console himself.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ds-china-pivot

Russia President Vladimir Putin arrives in China today with the Ukraine crisis as a new incentive to broker a $400 billion natural-gas deal with his Asian neighbor.
Russia has been in talks for over 10 years to lock in China as a new customer for its vast reserves of the fuel in Siberia. The stumbling block has been price, but with Putin facing trade and financial sanctions from the U.S. and European Union after he annexed Crimea from Ukraine, a deal is seen as probable.
“We expect the Sino-Russia gas deal to be finally ratified during President Putin’s visit and the pricing terms will not be too demanding for China,” said Simon Powell, head of oil and gas research as CLSA Ltd. in Hong Kong.


Meanwhile NATO is responding to a 'threat' after the threat is already gone.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/19469

NATO has launched a large-scale exercise codenamed “Steadfast Javelin 1″ in Estonia to test the ability of the Allied forces to work together, as well as maintaining the alliance’s readiness and combat effectiveness, according to a statement issued Friday.
Last edited by MHz; May 19th, 2014 at 02:38 PM..
 
The Old Medic
Conservative
#11
There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that any Russian troops have left the border areas.

This is at least the 3rd time that Putin has SAID that he has ordered this. I guess some people just believe it, the more frequently it is said.

When satellite evidence shows that those troops have been moved away from Ukraine's borders, then I will believe this.
 
MHz
#12
Russian or NATO pics? After all that stuff about Saddam massing on the Saudi border was bulls*it from the start and nobody questioned it, till a Russian photo was released (after the fake war was won)
 
petros
#13
Voting? Was it the 25th already?
 
Liberalman
#14
Russia does not want a war besides the Americans are close to one with China after they expelled a group of Chinese for espionage the Chinese government is denying it and is threatening to cut off trade with America because of trust issues.
 
Kreskin
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Russia does not want a war besides the Americans are close to one with China after they expelled a group of Chinese for espionage the Chinese government is denying it and is threatening to cut off trade with America because of trust issues.

Cutting off trade would be wonderful. Lets roll!
 
MHz
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Cutting off trade would be wonderful. Lets roll!

You may want to look at the list of things we import before you back that move too far.
China just finds other customers, there is nobody that can fill in what we get from China. Cutting our own throat ought to confuse Russia and China for about 10 minutes, the time it takes them to open up a lot of trade with partners like Iran and Syria and Venezuela, etc.
Last edited by MHz; May 19th, 2014 at 05:31 PM..
 
Kreskin
#17
I don't want their crap
 
MHz
#18
I suppose you will start spinning thread as your new occupation.

Top 10 Import Goods from China with Pics!

http://www.economywatch.com/world_ec...rt-import.html
 
Kreskin
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

I suppose you will start spinning thread as your new occupation.

Top 10 Import Goods from China with Pics!

North America Trade, Exports and Imports | Economy Watch

No we get all that from Bagladesh.

What we need is jobs and inflation.

Ask the Chinese if inflation is hurting them?
 
Praxius
Free Thinker
#20
Yes, the thread title is so accurate.... Putin Bowed to Obama.

Exactly what did Obama do to make him fold?

He didn't even fold. He performed military exercises near Ukraine..... EXERCISES. The exact same thing our nations do as a "Just in Case" so those troops are conditioned for the specific environment and terrain they may have to do action in..... or as a typical routine procedure.

As a Military Exercise / Training, do you think troops will be trained and exercised indefinitely?

They've been made proficient in their training, most likely, and no longer need to be there. If and when the time comes that military action is required, those same troops will take a day or two to be mobilized and sent into action.... no further training necessary.

Putin didn't "Bow" to Obama, because there isn't anything to really bow to in regards to procedures regarding mere "training" of troops within his own country.

It might be considered as a sign of good faith or a means to try and get things to settle down a bit, but this isn't anything to blow out of proportion.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#21
Ah yes the Crimea. Well the people of the area decided they would rather be
with the Russians. The Russians have a naval base where there are better
jobs and the ethnicity of the people is closer to being Russian than Ukrainian.
Things were headed for a civil war, and we like so many others would wade in
like we have in so many other places especially America.
Americans forget they had one of those wars and they would not have been happy
had Britain and France intervened and occupied the country to sort things out.
We have made things worse in Iraq, soon Afghanistan will return to the crazy people.
and Libya and God knows where else.
Syria is a civil war that needs to play out to an end determined by the people.
At present the government is supported by many even the Christians in Syria support
the present government. They know the other guys are worse.
Crimea is right where it should be the people did determine their destiny because
it should be up to Europe not America to deal with.
All kinds of rules were broken and Russia did behave as a bully but where is it written
America has the God given right to intervene?
This mess started with a bid for Ukraine to enter the EU something I think many did not
want and the measure and action of the Ukrainian Government created the problem.
This was not Obama's problem unless of course Americans feel they can invade who
ever they please if the people don't do what they want. Some should understand the world
isn't going to put up with that anymore
 
Kreskin
#22
He capitulated. Or was he catapulted?
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#23
Quote:

There are some who don't want Obama to get credit for anything that is equally as
silly


Yep. Putin's predicted invasion didn't quite pan out so mebbe, just mebbe, Obama might be partially credited with that to some degree however minor ....
 
petros
#24
Ah yes. It's all settled it's what Russians in Ukraine wanted. The surviving members of the Russian media said so.
 

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