G7 to discuss weaning Europe off Russian oil amid Ukraine crisis


Locutus
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G7 energy ministers will meet in Rome next week to discuss how to counter Russian dominance of European energy markets.

Natural Resources Minister Greg Rickford said Friday the Group of Seven ministers are gathering in response to events in Ukraine that serve as a reminder of the connection between energy security and national security.


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G7 to discuss weaning Europe off Russian oil amid Ukraine crisis - The Globe and Mail
 
Walter
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NA got lots of oil and gas for the EU.
 
EagleSmack
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The US will soon start exporting NAT GAS to Europe.
 
Goober
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A short primer on Oil-NG & LNG-
Russia made billions doing this below with the Stans who are building their own lines.

centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/arti (external - login to view) ... feature-02

Turkmenistan: EU Maintains Hope for Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline – Report | EurasiaNet.org (external - login to view)

www.naturalgasasia.com/iraq-appr (external - login to view) ... s-pipeline

www.naturalgasasia.com/some-reas (external - login to view) ... s-pipeline

www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio (external - login to view) ... 24621.html
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

The US will soon start exporting NAT GAS to Europe.


When the British start fracking we'll be self-reliant on gas.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

NA got lots of oil and gas for the EU.

Well you fire up that canoe and start paddling. Do you really think that will hurt Russia, China is already got the plans for the pipeline to take what Europe cuts. Is Europe really that stupid that they would seed getting NG from NA is more reliable than getting it from Russia. Stupid doesn't run in the family it runs the NA family.

Here is some footage of those bad old Russians.

Video that made the whole world cry - YouTube

 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Well you fire up that canoe and start paddling. Do you really think that will hurt Russia, China is already got the plans for the pipeline to take what Europe cuts. Is Europe really that stupid that they would seed getting NG from NA is more reliable than getting it from Russia. Stupid doesn't run in the family it runs the NA family.

Here is some footage of those bad old Russians.

Video that made the whole world cry - YouTube

That would be the smartthing for Europe to do. One should never depand on their enemy for basic resources. And make no mistake Russia under Putin is the enemy.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

That would be the smartthing for Europe to do. One should never depand on their enemy for basic resources. And make no mistake Russia under Putin is the enemy.

Lost in your post is the fact that the 'West' made them the enemy. Using your reasoning the world should boycott all NA and European goods.
Making Russia and China trade partners and defense partners is the only goal the West has accomplished. In a push and shove match over dwindling NG who do you thing the Government will cater to, big business or the poorest of it's citizens? The people will lose like always. Russia could tank the USD almost overnight but you would probably say they weren't fighting fair, no wonder we are in the boat/creek that we are in.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Lost in your post is the fact that the 'West' made them the enemy. Using your reasoning the world should boycott all NA and European goods.
Making Russia and China trade partners and defense partners is the only goal the West has accomplished. In a push and shove match over dwindling NG who do you thing the Government will cater to, big business or the poorest of it's citizens? The people will lose like always. Russia could tank the USD almost overnight but you would probably say they weren't fighting fair, no wonder we are in the boat/creek that we are in.

We din't make Russia the enemy.Putin did that all by hisself. First by invading the Stans and Gorgia and now by invading Ukraine. China and Russia are not exactly buds either. China is only interested in looking after its own best interests by spreading the souces of resources it requires so as not to be put in the position Europe is now in. Much the same as how Canada as an exporting nation will build NG and Energy East so we are not dependent on a fickle US market for our resources.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

When the British start fracking we'll be self-reliant on gas.


The brits will never be self reliant. They are dependent on the US and Canada.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

China and Russia are not exactly buds either. China is only interested in looking after its own best interests by spreading the souces of resources it requires so as not to be put in the position .


Funny how he thinks that China and Russia are all of a sudden close allies.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Funny how he thinks that China and Russia are all of a sudden close allies.

I'm not promoting that China and Russia will be like Iraq and the US after Iran ran the US out of the country so you have that part in error. I said any spare NG due to Europe's stupidity can and will be sold to China with no loss in revenue. The part I fuked up was the time, it's a 30 year contract rather than a 20 year one. No doubt in exchange their baby toys won't be painted with lead based paint like US goods are.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

The brits will never be self reliant. They are dependent on the US and Canada.
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The Brits can be self reliant as long as they give up food and the desire to stay warm or have any businesses open.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

We din't make Russia the enemy.Putin did that all by hisself. First by invading the Stans and Gorgia and now by invading Ukraine. China and Russia are not exactly buds either. China is only interested in looking after its own best interests by spreading the souces of resources it requires so as not to be put in the position Europe is now in. Much the same as how Canada as an exporting nation will build NG and Energy East so we are not dependent on a fickle US market for our resources.

I didn'r realize Putin instigated the coup in February, I stand corrected. How nice of NATO to make sure she has an over abundance of fuel and other natural resources. The price of fuel in the Ukraine is already up 40% and the next two increases are already on the books to be another 20% in each case. Nice to see their takeovers are from the same old, same old playbook. Repeating a failed experiment is not a sign of progress, ask anybody in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

I'm not promoting that China and Russia will be like Iraq and the US after Iran ran the US out of the country so you have that part in error. I said any spare NG due to Europe's stupidity can and will be sold to China with no loss in revenue. The part I fuked up was the time, it's a 30 year contract rather than a 20 year one. No doubt in exchange their baby toys won't be painted with lead based paint like US goods are.


Oh right... of course.


 
damngrumpy
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Isn't it funny how we can use Arab oil or Russian oil without thinking how dictatorial
these nations can be. In Russia's case I am not sure anymore who is to blame for
the problems.
The best is yet to come America will get our raw material cheap they'll refine it and
sell it for a fortune while we smile and say OK. Its time we did this ourselves and
used the money to finance our kids post secondary education
 
Blackleaf
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The brits will never be self reliant. They are dependent on the US and Canada.

The only thing we depend on Canada and the US for is a steady supply of people for our comedians to prank when we send them over there.

When our pro-fracking government starts fracking with the support of the people - polls show the British people are mostly in favour of fracking - we'll be self-reliant on gas. There's 130 trillion cubic feet of shale gas under Northern England alone, enough to power the UK for the next 40 years.

And once we become energy self-reliant, we can then export some of this gas to the Scots, if they become independent, when their dwindling North Sea oil supplies (which they seem to think will last forever) start running out.

As for weaning "Europe" off Russian gas, you make it sound as though the whole continent is dependent on it. But that's not true. Germany imports 36% of its gas from Russia; Italy 27%; and France 23%. Britain, however, uses no Russian gas at all, so if Putin stops supplying gas to Europe it will have no effect on Britain.
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captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

The only thing we depend on Canada and the US for is a steady supply of people for our comedians to prank when we send them over there.

Clearly your nation doesn't depend on any NorAm dentists... You might want to reconsider that option; we could help in vastly reducing the population of snaggle-toothed yokels in Britain.

Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

When our pro-fracking government starts fracking with the support of the people - polls show the British people are mostly in favour of fracking - we'll be self-reliant on gas. There's 130 trillion cubic feet of shale gas under Northern England alone, enough to power the UK for the next 40 years.

Maybe you didn't get the memo: Fracking has been around for many decades.

How much longer will it take your gvt to 'approve' something that has been around so long?

Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

And once we become energy self-reliant, we can then export some of this gas to the Scots, if they become independent, when their dwindling North Sea oil supplies (which they seem to think will last forever) start running out.

How are you planning on getting the gas from the North on down?.. Carry it in buckets maybe?

It will take a lot of time to build any infrastructure
 
petros
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Yemen has all theNG Europa could use for the next several hundred years.

PetroCanada already supplies Europa.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Clearly your nation doesn't depend on any NorAm dentists...
You might want to reconsider that option; we could help in vastly reducing the population of snaggle-toothed yokels in Britain.

We don't need your dentists, unless we all wanted those stupid unnatural glow-in-the dark teeth that you have over there which make you look daft.

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Fracking has been around for many decades.
How much longer will it take your gvt to 'approve' something that has been around so long?

In order to frack shale gas you have to know there's shale gas down there first. You can't just frack without knowing there's any there.

Hydraulic fracturing in the United Kingdom has been common in North Sea oil and gas fields since the late 1970s, and has been used in about 200 British onshore oil and gas wells since the early 1980s but shale gas fracking has only attracted attention in Britain since 2007. Since then exploratory drilling has taken place in places such as Blackpool and Sussex.

The Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) has identified large areas of eastern and southern England as having the "best shale gas potential":

The main identified runs from just south of Middlesbrough in a crescent through East Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Buckinghamshire and the Cotswolds to Somerset and Wiltshire. It then turns along the South Coast and Downs, including most of Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, Surrey and Kent. Shale gas sites are under investigation in the Sussex commuter belt, near Haywards Heath, the Mendip Hills, south of Bath, in Kent, Lincolnshire, south Wales, Staffordshire and Cheshire, as well as more sites near the existing find in Lancashire.


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How are you planning on getting the gas from the North on down?..

Carry it in buckets maybe?

Pipes would be a lot easier. Pipes are long, tubular structures which help to easily transport liquids from one place to another.
Ministers want to change trespass law to boost fracking

22 April 2014 (external - login to view)
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Ministers want to give energy companies the right to run shale gas pipelines under private land, Whitehall sources have confirmed.

The planned move - aimed at kick-starting the fracking industry - will be included in the Queen's Speech as part of an Infrastructure Bill.

The companies will still need planning permission to drill for shale gas.

But they will be able to install pipes to transport the gas under private land without fear of breaking trespass laws.

Prime Minister David Cameron has also indicated that the government could cut subsidies for land-based wind farms when it has "built enough to meet all our targets".

'Obstacles'

Ministers fear landowners and anti-fracking protesters would use existing law to block shale gas extraction in the UK, as it suggests prior permission is needed to run pipelines thousands of feet below private land.

BBC political correspondent Iain Watson said the Infrastructure Bill would make clear that putting pipes under private land would not constitute trespass - but it would also give the affected landowners the right to compensation.

BBC News - Ministers want to change trespass law to boost fracking (external - login to view)
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