China's air pollution leading to more erratic climate for US, say scientists


mentalfloss
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China's air pollution leading to more erratic climate for US, say scientists

China's air pollution could be intensifying storms over the Pacific Ocean and altering weather patterns in North America, according to scientists in the US. A team from Texas, California and Washington state has found that pollution from Asia, much of it arising in China, is leading to more intense cyclones, increased precipitation and more warm air in the mid-Pacific moving towards the north pole.

According to the team's findings, which were released on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, these changes could ultimately contribute to erratic weather in the US.

The authors used advanced computer models to study interactions between clouds and fine airborne particles known as aerosols, particularly manmade ones such as those emitted from vehicles and coal-fired power plants.

"Our work provides, for the first time to the authors' knowledge, a global multi-scale perspective of the climatic effects of pollution outflows from Asia," says the study's abstract.

One effect, the study says, is an "intensification of the Pacific storm track", a narrow zone over the ocean where some storms that pass over the US begin to gather.

"Mid-latitude storms develop off Asia and they track across the Pacific, coming in to the west coast of the US," said Ellie Highwood, a climate physicist at the University of Reading. "The particles in this model are affecting how strong those storms are, how dense the clouds are, and how much rainfall comes out of those storms."

China is fighting to contain the environmental fallout from 30 years of unchecked growth. Of 74 Chinese cities monitored by the central government 71 failed to meet air quality standards, the environmental ministry said last month.

China's top leaders are aware of the extent of the problem. Beijing will soon revise an important piece of legislation and give environmental protection authorities the power to shut polluting factories, punish officials and restrict industrial development in some areas, Reuters reported on Tuesday.

The changes to the China's environmental protection law, the first since 1989, will legally enshrine oft-repeated government promises to prioritise environmental protection over economic growth.

Cao Mingde, a law professor at the China University of Political Science and Law, told the newswire that upholding environmental protection as a fundamental principle was a huge change. "It emphasises that the environment is a priority."

Although the legislation's fourth draft is nearing completion, it is still short on details, according to the report. China's legal system is often hostile to pollution-related litigation.

On Monday, a Chinese court rejected a lawsuit by five residents of Lanzhou, a city in the country's north-west, over an incident last week when dangerous levels of the carcinogenic chemical benzene were detected in the water supply. The residents demanded damages, a public apology and water quality data from the city-owned water company.

According to a local newspaper, the court claimed that under civil procedure law, the litigants were unqualified to sue; in pollution-related cases only "agencies and organisations" could press charges, and they needed official authorisation to take action.

China's air pollution leading to more erratic climate for US, say scientists | Environment | theguardian.com
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Nope. Human activity cannot affect the weather.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
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Yep, it can and does.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Yep, it can and does.

Nope, it can't and doesn't.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
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Scientist! what do they know? Climate change isn't in the Bible, except when the Great Provider deems it.
 
B00Mer
Republican
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John Stossel - Chill Out About Global Warming - YouTube

 
Spade
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Nope, it can't and doesn't.

Can too!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Can too!

Can not!
 
mentalfloss
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"Mid-latitude storms develop off Asia and they track across the Pacific, coming in to the west coast of the US," said Ellie Highwood, a climate physicist at the University of Reading.

Choosing between the commies and environmentalists?

Eaglesmack is about to have an aneurysm.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Can not!

Ah, so's yer old man!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Ah, so's yer old man!

Yer mom's fat!
 
mentalfloss
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Why are you guys pretending to be petros?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Yep, it can and does.


No it can't.

Thankfully, the Chinese realise this - because, let's be honest, it's only in the PC West in which anyone gives a damn about "climate change" - and therefore will carry on doing what they are doing regardless whatever some green maniacs in America think they are doing to their weather.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Why are you guys pretending to be petros?

Yer ugly and yer mom dresses ya funny!
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Nope. Human activity cannot affect the weather.

Weather yes, climate no.
 
MHz
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Conveniently left out anything Japan is sending our way.
 
petros
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Climate is a 30 year average. 30 years ago they had nothing for industry worth considering. Even 20 years ago there nothing like today and we haven't seen any warming in 16 years so how do the China allegations fit with this tale?

Reality goes by the wayside when it comes to human CC nutbars.

Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Conveniently left out anything Japan is sending our way.

And Korea but man isn't behind the interglacial Holocene optimum.
 
mentalfloss
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You are wrong about no warming in the last 16 years.

What has global warming done since 1998?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

You are wrong about no warming in the last 16 years.

What has global warming done since 1998?

Remove 700-2000m ocean temps and it's a negative. Why remove? Only the first couple hundred meters can impact climate.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

"Mid-latitude storms develop off Asia and they track across the Pacific, coming in to the west coast of the US," said Ellie Highwood, a climate physicist at the University of Reading.

Choosing between the commies and environmentalists?

Eaglesmack is about to have an aneurysm.

No... really I'm not.

 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Reality goes by the wayside when it comes to human CC nutbars.



And Korea but man isn't behind the interglacial Holocene optimum.

You are talking about yourself in the 3rd person, not a huge surprise.

I was referencing this sort of material.

Senior Scientist: Cancer increase expected on West Coast from Fukushima exposures; Radioactive particles can bio-accumulate and form hotspots while crossing Pacific — KCRW: Concern California wildlife to be impacted; Sea life can biomagnify nuc
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Remove 700-2000m ocean temps and it's a negative. Why remove? Only the first couple hundred meters can impact climate.

Yea, remove the warming and you don't have the warming.
 
Twila
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so, is this going to lead to something?
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

so, is this going to lead to something?

Outside of more whining from alarmist... not likely.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Outside of more whining from alarmist... not likely.

Well, that and bitchiness from deniers.
 
MHz
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If the warming is coming from deep water in the oceans then we only have to cool down the magma and the core to get a stable surface temperature........ It is going to take more than a few pieces of chalk on a big blackboard to figure that one out.

Speaking of blackboards I wish they would not put Stephen Hawkins in fron of one that is full of advanced equations as nobody is going to think he wrote it.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Stephen. . . Hawkins??????


 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Well, that and bitchiness from deniers.

Please do not mistake our mocking for bitchiness.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Please do not mistake our mocking for bitchiness.

 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Yea, remove the warming and you don't have the warming.

Of course it should.

Are you up for some learning? It was only yesterday you found out we are in an ice age. Would like like to learn more about geology, geophysics and physics?

It's not warming anything out of the ordinary during an interglacial.

Have you read any of the IPCC material on our current interglacial period?

There are some really good things to discuss if you're up to it. It will probably give you a much wider scope on our planet and climate over time beyond the last 40 years.

Read up on the IPCC's way of explaining the rise and fall in temps, the retraction and regrowth of glaciers then read up the interaction of the magnetoshere and the magnetic fields generated by both ocean and atmospheric currents, changes to the dipole system, other sources of ocean acidity and then perhaps you'll see the big picture.


It would be refreshing to have a proper debate that is based on facts, geophysical systems and geological time the way long term climate needs to be discussed.
 
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