Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits


Locutus
#1
"If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war," warns a senior Russian government official. The FT reports Russia is prepared to fight a war over the Ukrainian territory of Crimea (where the largest ethnic Russian population lives and they have a military base). Conjuring images of the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia, the official told the FT, "they will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia." The Kremlin regards the Georgian conflict as the biggest stand-off between Russia and the west since the end of the Cold War and it has fed determination in Moscow to push back against what it believes to be western attempts to contain Russia.

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Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits | Zero Hedge
 
MHz
+1
#2
lol The offer will be enough that the supporters will overthrow the revolt. Priceless. Notice the bolded part, that is from the US sector, irony sure stings.

(in part)
Who’s in charge? Certainly not the bought-and-paid-for-moderates that Washington and the EU hoped to install as the new government of Ukraine. The agreement that the Washington and EU supported opposition concluded with President Yanukovich to end the crisis did not last an hour. Even the former boxing champion, Vitaly Klitschko, who was riding high as an opposition leader until a few hours ago has been booed by the rioters and shoved aside.

The newly appointed president by what is perhaps an irrelevant parliament, Oleksandr Turchynov, has no support base among those who overthrew the government. As the BBC reports, “like all of the mainstream opposition politicians, Mr. Turchynov is not entirely trusted or respected by the protesters in Kiev’s Independence Square.”

In western Ukraine the only organized and armed force is the ultra-nationalist Right Sector. From the way this group’s leaders speak, they assume that they are in charge. One of the group’s leaders, Aleksandr Muzychko, has pledged to fight against “Jews and Russians until I die.” Asserting the Right Sector’s authority over the situation, Muzychko declared that now that the democratically elected government has been overthrown, “there will be order and discipline” or “Right Sector squads will shoot the bastards on the spot.”
PressTV - Ukraine crisis portends apocalypse
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#3
So what's wrong with a Czechoslovakia solution?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+3
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

So what's wrong with a Czechoslovakia solution?

Boys having a pissing match in a sandbox. The old world paradigm is falling apart and the old "powers" are jockeying for position to salvage a losing battle. People are fed up with these childish power plays by infantile psychopaths. Time for a new paradigm as opposed to the new world order the psychopaths are proposing.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
+5
#5  Top Rated Post
Interesting, Russia claims to be a modern democracy yet when someone else
wants democracy they invade them. The west should open their eyes to those
on this planet who spout off about being democratic. Its a case of democracy
as long as its convenient.
Russian is not a democracy, China is not a democracy, the Arab countries even
those who hold elections are not democracies yet we continue to pretend all is
well. Someday the truth will land on our doorstep and we'll be forced to go to war
like WWII. We are building these people up and someday we will pay the price
the blood of our grand children.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3 / -1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Boys having a pissing match in a sandbox. The old world paradigm is falling apart and the old "powers" are jockeying for position to salvage a losing battle. People are fed up with these childish power plays by infantile psychopaths. Time for a new paradigm as opposed to the new world order the psychopaths are proposing.

That is a lovely speech.............now, what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

This is what happens when you have a spineless moron for President in the USA. Russia thinks she can get away with anything.
 
petros
+3
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

This is what happens when you have a spineless moron for President in the USA. Russia thinks she can get away with anything.

Spineless or penniless?

Stalin Jr is in for a surprize if he does.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

That is a lovely speech.............now, what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

This is what happens when you have a spineless moron for President in the USA. Russia thinks she can get away with anything.

"Spineless moron" like Truman? (Tibet, 1950.) "Spineless moron" like Eisenhower? (Hungary, 1956.) "Spineless moron" like Johnson? (Czechoslovakia, 1968.)

I'd be interested to hear what you think McCain or Romney could have done that would stop Putin from doing as he pleases.
 
petros
#9
al Qaeda is working other projects. What can the US do? Europe has this one.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

al Qaeda is working other projects. What can the US do? Europe has this one.

They're welcome to it. Will Canada be joining in, out of a misplaced sense of loyalty to the Shiny Hat?
 
MHz
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Interesting, Russia claims to be a modern democracy yet when someone else
wants democracy they invade them. The west should open their eyes to those
on this planet who spout off about being democratic. Its a case of democracy
as long as its convenient.
Russian is not a democracy, China is not a democracy, the Arab countries even
those who hold elections are not democracies yet we continue to pretend all is
well. Someday the truth will land on our doorstep and we'll be forced to go to war
like WWII. We are building these people up and someday we will pay the price
the blood of our grand children.

News flash, the Ukraine held elections and the outed PM was elected in a fair election. Russia had elections and Puttion won fair and square. It is in the US that elections are rigged. There are no elections is US supported Bahrain or Saudi Arabia. If you have to lie atr least come up with a better one that this one.

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

That is a lovely speech.............now, what do you think we should do if Putin's boys invade Ukraine and proceed to shoot everyone they don't like??

Suddenly it all falls apart, doesn't it??

This is what happens when you have a spineless moron for President in the USA. Russia thinks she can get away with anything.

This is a statement from the West sponsored thugs rather than from Russia. Talk about bring stupid to a whole new level, you have outdone yourself Colpy.

Asserting the Right Sector’s authority over the situation, Muzychko declared that now that the democratically elected government has been overthrown, “there will be order and discipline” or “Right Sector squads will shoot the bastards on the spot.”

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Spineless or penniless?

Stalin Jr is in for a surprize if he does.

A full retreat by the West would not be that big of a surprise. The valid protesters won't want an American stooge running things. (without Russia funding the same tactics the West does time and time and time again.

Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

"Spineless moron" like Truman? (Tibet, 1950.) "Spineless moron" like Eisenhower? (Hungary, 1956.) "Spineless moron" like Johnson? (Czechoslovakia, 1968.)

How very Hitlerish of you.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

How very Hitlerish of you.

Yes, dear. Go ask Mom to give you your pills now.
 
Liberalman
#13
We have to remember that not all of Ukraine revolted. In any violent protest people eventually die because they believe in their cause and the rebel instigators were effective in making the people mad. If this happened in America or any G20 country eventually law and order has to be enforced.and for the people that don't want to leave the area then they are their at their own risk
 
The Old Medic
Conservative
+1
#14
Putin wants to reinstate the old Soviet Union. He is the "Czar" of current Russia, he's an old KGB man, and he will do ANYTHING to control all of Eastern Europe.

And sadly, the West won't do much to stop him.

And back to the "Cold War" we go.
 
MHz
#15
Take your blinders off.
list of interventions for “regime change”
1893 – Hawaii (Liliuokalani; monarchist): success (OF)
1912 – China (Piyu; monarchist): success (OF)
1918 – Panama (Arias; center-right): success (SE)
1919 – Hungary (Kun; communist): success (CO)
1920 – USSR (Lenin; communist): failure (OF)
1924 – Honduras (Carias; nationalist): success (SE)
1934 – United States (Roosevelt; liberal): failure (CO)
1945 – Japan (Higashikuni; rightist): success (OF)
1946 – Thailand (Pridi; conservative): success (CO)
1946 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): failure (SE)
1947 – France (*; communist): success (SE)
1947 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1947 – Romania (Gheorghiu-Dej; stalinist): failure (CO)
1948 – Italy (*, communist): success (SE)
1948 – Colombia (Gaitan; populist/leftist): success (SE)
1948 – Peru (Bustamante; left/centrist): success (CO)
1949 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): success (CO)
1949 – China (Mao; communist): failure (CO)
1950 – Albania (Hoxha; communist): failure (CO)
1951 – Bolivia (Paz; center/neutralist): success (CO)
1951 – DPRK (Kim; stalinist): failure (OF)
1951 – Poland (Cyrankiewicz; stalinist): failure (CO)
1951 – Thailand (Phibun; conservative): success (CO)
1952 – Egypt (Farouk; monarchist): success (CO)
1952 – Cuba (Prio; reform/populist): success (CO)
1952 – Lebanon (*; left/populist): success: (SE)
1953 – British Guyana (*; left/populist): success (CO)
1953 – Iran (Mossadegh; liberal nationalist): success (CO)
1953 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1953 – Philippines (*; center-left): success (SE)
1954 – Guatemala (Arbenz; liberal nationalist): success (OF)
1955 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1955 – India (Nehru; neutralist/socialist): failure (CO)
1955 – Argentina (Peron; military/centrist): success (CO)
1955 – China (Zhou; communist): failure (CO)
1955 – Vietnam (Ho; communist): success (SE)
1956 – Hungary (Hegedus; communist): success (CO)
1957 – Egypt (Nasser; military/nationalist): failure (CO)
1957 – Haiti (Sylvain; left/populist): success (CO)
1957 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Japan (*; left-center): success (SE)
1958 – Chile (*; leftists): success (SE)
1958 – Iraq (Feisal; monarchist): success (CO)
1958 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Sudan (Sovereignty Council; nationalist): success (CO)
1958 – Lebanon (*; leftist): success (SE)
1958 – Syria (Kuwatli; neutralist/Pan-Arabist): failure (CO)
1958 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (SE)
1959 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1959 – Nepal (*; left-centrist): success (SE)
1959 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1960 – Ecuador (Ponce; left/populist): success (CO)
1960 – Laos (Phouma; nationalist): success (CO)
1960 – Iraq (Qassem; rightist /militarist): failure (CO)
1960 – S. Korea (Syngman; rightist): success (CO)
1960 – Turkey (Menderes; liberal): success (CO)
1961 – Haiti (Duvalier; rightist/militarist): success (CO)
1961 – Cuba (Castro; communist): failure (CO)
1961 – Congo (Lumumba; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1961 – Dominican Republic (Trujillo; rightwing/military): success (CO)
1962 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): failure (SE)
1962 – Dominican Republic (*; left/populist): success (SE)
1962 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO)
1964 – Guyana (Jagan; populist/reformist): success (CO)
1964 – Bolivia (Paz; centrist/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Brazil (Goulart; liberal/neutralist): success (CO)
1964 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/marxist): success (SE)
1965 – Indonesia (Sukarno; militarist/neutralist): success (CO)
1966 – Ghana (Nkrumah; leftist/pan-Africanist): success (CO)
1966 – Bolivia (*; leftist): success (SE)
1966 – France (de Gaulle; centrist): failure (CO)
1967 – Greece (Papandreou; social democrat): success (CO)
1968 – Iraq (Arif; rightist): success (CO)
1969 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist): failure (CO)
1969 – Libya (Idris; monarchist): success (CO)
1970 – Bolivia (Ovando; reform nationalist): success (CO)
1970 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): success (CO)
1970 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): failure (SE)
1971 – Bolivia (Torres; nationalist/neutralist): success (CO)
1971 – Costa Rica (Figueres; reform liberal): failure (CO)
1971 – Liberia (Tubman; rightist): success (CO)
1971 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1971 – Uruguay (Frente Amplio; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1972 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): failure (SE)
1973 – Chile (Allende; social democrat/Marxist): success (CO)
1974 – United States (Nixon; centrist): success (CO)
1975 – Australia (Whitlam; liberal/labor): success (CO)
1975 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): failure (CO)
1975 – Bangladesh (Mujib; nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): failure (SE)
1976 – Portugal (JNS; military/leftist): success (SE)
1976 – Nigeria (Mohammed; military/nationalist): success (CO)
1976 – Thailand (*; rightist): success (CO)
1976 – Uruguay (Bordaberry; center-right): success (CO)
1977 – Pakistan (Bhutto: center/nationalist): success (CO)
1978 – Dominican Republic (Balaguer; center): success (SE)
1979 – S. Korea (Park; rightist): success (CO)
1979 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (CO)
1980 – Bolivia (Siles; centrist/reform): success (CO)
1980 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1980 – Italy (*; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Liberia (Tolbert; rightist): success (CO)
1980 – Jamaica (Manley; social democrat): success (SE)
1980 – Dominica (Seraphin; leftist): success (SE)
1980 – Turkey (Demirel; center-right): success (CO)
1981 – Seychelles (René; socialist): failure (CO)
1981 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): failure (CO)
1981 – Panama (Torrijos; military/reform populist); success (CO)
1981 – Zambia (Kaunda; reform nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Mauritius (*; center-left): failure (SE)
1982 – Spain (Suarez; rightist/neutralist): success (SE)
1982 – Iran (Khomeini; Islamic nationalist): failure (CO)
1982 – Chad (Oueddei; Islamic nationalist): success (CO)
1983 – Mozambique (Machel; socialist): failure (CO)
1983 – Grenada (Bishop; socialist): success (OF)
1984 – Panama (*; reform/centrist): success (SE)
1984 – Nicaragua (Sandinistas; leftist): failure (SE)
1984 – Surinam (Bouterse; left/reformist/neutralist): success (CO)
1984 – India (Gandhi; nationalist): success (CO)
1986 – Libya (Qaddafi; Islamic nationalist): failure (OF)
1987 – Fiji (Bavrada; liberal): success (CO)
1989 – Panama (Noriega; military/reform populist): success (OF)
1990 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): failure (SE)
1990 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
1991 – Albania (Alia; communist): success (SE)
1991 – Haiti (Aristide; liberal reform): success (CO)
1991 – Iraq (Hussein; military/rightist): failure (OF)
1991 – Bulgaria (BSP; communist): success (SE)
1992 – Afghanistan (Najibullah; communist): success (CO)
1993 – Somalia (Aidid; right/militarist): failure (OF)
1993 – Cambodia (Han Sen/CPP; leftist): failure (SE)
1993 – Burundi (Ndadaye; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – El Salvador (*; leftist): success (SE)
1994 – Rwanda (Habyarimana; conservative): success (CO)
1994 – Ukraine (Kravchuk; center-left): success (SE)
1996 – Bosnia (Karadzic; centrist): success (CO)
1996 – Russia (Zyuganov; communist): success (SE)
1996 – Congo (Mobutu; military/rightist): success (CO)
1996 – Mongolia (*; center-left): success (SE)
1998 – Congo (Kabila; rightist/military): success (CO)
1998 – United States (Clinton; conservative): failure (CO)
1998 – Indonesia (Suharto; military/rightist): success (CO)
1999 – Yugoslavia (Milosevic; left/nationalist): success (SE)
2000 – United States (Gore; conservative): success (SE)
2000 – Ecuador (NSC; leftist): success: (CO)
2001 – Afghanistan (Omar; rightist/Islamist): success (OF)
2001 – Belarus (Lukashenko; leftist): failure (SE)
2001 – Nicaragua (Ortega; Christian socialist): success (SE)
2001 – Nepal (Birendra; nationalist/monarchist): success (CO)
2002 – Venezuela (Chavez; reform-populist): failure (CO)
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)
2002 – Brazil (Lula; center-left): failure (SE)
alrighty comrades
 
petros
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Yes, dear. Go ask Mom to give you your pills now.

MegaHurts doesn't take it's pills. Might have to sneak them into a piece of hotdog.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#17
"They were the stupidest ten percent. They weren't hard to outwit."

--Robert J. Sawyer, Canadian Science-Fiction Author
 
petros
#18
1963 was a busy year for US intervening and regime change.

Even a chilly day in Dallas was considered a success going by what megahurts sees through un-medicated eyes.

1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Spineless or penniless?

Stalin Jr is in for a surprize if he does.

It's already falling apart in the west.
 
Blackleaf
#20
You can't beat a good war. Especially when it's on my country's own doorstep, again. Great fun.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
+2
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

You can't beat a good war. Especially when it's on my country's own doorstep, again. Great fun.


Yer doorstep is on the channel ain't it.
 
petros
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

It's already falling apart in the west.

Should we switch to bitcoins?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+5
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

You can't beat a good war. Especially when it's on my country's own doorstep, again. Great fun.

Ah, a member of the popcorn crowd cheers the young men from the sidelines as they march off to the meat grinder. How very British of you.
 
petros
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Ah, a member of the popcorn crowd cheers the young men from the sidelines as they march off to the meat grinder. How very British of you.

This is an ethnic war. Think of it as the Blood taking on the Blackfoot and do a few hiyiyis.
 
MHz
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

MegaHurts doesn't take it's pills. Might have to sneak them into a piece of hotdog.

With you it could be put on the end of a prick and then you would probably ask for seconds.
 
petros
+5
#26
You'll take your pills if I put them on my prick?
 
MHz
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

You can't beat a good war. Especially when it's on my country's own doorstep, again. Great fun.

You inbred nation is a little more involved that watching from the sidelines, as usual. You should really have gone to war when the Rothschild family conquered your business sector and gained control of the Bank of England. What big revolt did you put up, you gave them titles reserved for royalty. No wonder you want to watch from the sidelines.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You'll take your pills if I put them on my prick?

Sure, right after I remove it with an axe. Your move Kaptain ...

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Should we switch to bitcoins?

Not everybody, just you.
 
petros
#28
You admit to the necessity of pills. This is a good thing.
 
MHz
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

1963 was a busy year for US intervening and regime change.

Even a chilly day in Dallas was considered a success going by what megahurts sees through un-medicated eyes.

1963 – Dominican Republic (Bosch; social democrat): success (CO)
1963 – Honduras (Montes; left/populist): success (CO)
1963 – Iraq (Qassem; militarist/rightist): success (CO)
1963 – S. Vietnam (Diem; rightist): success (CO)
1963 – Cambodia (Sihanouk; moderate/neutralist): failure (CO)
1963 – Guatemala (Ygidoras; rightist/reform): success (CO)
1963 – Ecuador (Velasco; reform militarist): success (CO)
1963 – United States (Kennedy; liberal): success (CO

Didn't you hear, he was going to abolish the Federal Reserve, obviously the banksters didn't like that idea, they prefer spineless men like Johnson who burned the document as fast as he could. Johnson should have been hung for treason (along with McNamara) when they allowed the Liberty to be attacked by Israel. Really what kind of leader says this about a ship and crew from the US, "I want that goddamn ship on the bottom.' No wonder the US is as messed up as it is today.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

You admit to the necessity of pills. This is a good thing.

Black mold and H2S exposure will do that, my condition is getting better, yours is tanking fast and there is no cure for being intentionally stupid, which you excel at BTW.

Another fine example of the results of the US helping democracy flourish.

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/1...r-libya-unrest

The U.N. mission in Libya voiced "deep concern" on Tuesday over the near-daily violence plaguing the North African country, a day after seven Egyptian Christians were found murdered.
The U.N. Support Mission in Libya called on authorities to make every effort to rein in the rampant unrest, which has hit not only foreign targets but also Libyan civilians and security personnel, as well as polling stations in last week's election to a constituent assembly.
"UNSMIL expresses its deep concern about the continued violence -- including assassinations, bombings, kidnappings and attacks in the east and other Libyan areas," it said in a statement.
The attacks have targeted "judges, members of the security forces, activists, civilians and Arab and foreign nationals, as well as polling centers and buildings housing government and diplomatic missions," it said.
 
petros
+1
#30
2002 – Bolivia (Morales; leftist/MAS): success (SE)

Good news, you can fade into Bolivia and oblivion all at once. Giddy up gaucho.
 

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