Switzerland restricts EU immigration


Locutus
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Learn from the mistakes of others


Switzerland has announced that it will extend immigration limits to all European Union countries amid pressure from the political far-right.

Switzerland, which is not an EU member, already has a quota in place for eight Eastern European members that joined the bloc in 2004, as well as special, stricter regulations for the newest members Bulgaria and Romania, which joined in 2007.

The justice and police ministry said on Wednewsday that it would now limit resident permits to a maximum of 53,700 annually for citizens from the remaining 17 EU countries.

Under an agreement with the European Union, Switzerland can invoke this so-called safeguard clause if immigration rises above a certain level.

The decision drew criticism from EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, who said it ran counter to agreements between the 27-member bloc and the Alpine country.


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Tonington
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Switzerland has a lot of pharmaceuticals...the countries top export is medication valued at over $12 billion a year. Other large exports include vaccines and various chemicals. These industries attract foreign workers, and foreign workers don't generally want to move without their families. This is going to be destabilizing for the Swiss economy, which has benefited a great deal from foreign investment.

Switzerland hasn't learned, they are just being populist. They're about to learn though...
 
Walter
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Good for them.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Good for them.

Yeah, since they are such heavy Socialists it doesn't mean they can't be greedy and want to keep up their level of entitlements.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Switzerland has a lot of pharmaceuticals...the countries top export is medication valued at over $12 billion a year. Other large exports include vaccines and various chemicals. These industries attract foreign workers, and foreign workers don't generally want to move without their families. This is going to be destabilizing for the Swiss economy, which has benefited a great deal from foreign investment.

Going by your reckoning, and by the reckoning of the EU and its Eurotrons (who, I'm glad to say are very VERY unhappy with this democratic decision), the USA should also ban trade with Switzerland because Switzerland doesn't allow unrestricted immigration for American citizens.

Since when should trade with another country or bloc mean that you should allow unrestricted access into your country for their citizens? Nobody else seems to demand this, only the EUSSR. Switzerland is a democratic country and it - not the EUSSR - should be able to decide who it does and doesn't let into its tiny and already crowded borders, just as Canada and other non-EU countries do.

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Switzerland hasn't learned, they are just being populist.

You mean they are being a democracy and adhering to the wishes of the majority of its citizens? You mean the Swiss government has allowed the Swiss people to decide rather than having their country bossed about by the EUSSR? How NASTY of them! I know the EU and its Eurotrons don't like democracy and the will of the people but Switzerland isn't in the EU.

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They're about to learn though...

Typical Eurotron nasty little threats towards those who defy the EUSSR, even if it's by democratic means. I've seen it all before.
Last edited by Blackleaf; Feb 11th, 2014 at 10:01 AM..
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Going by your reckoning, and by the reckoning of the EU and its Eurotrons (who, I'm glad to say are very VERY unhappy with this democratic decision), the USA should also ban trade with Switzerland because Switzerland doesn't allow unrestricted immigration for American citizens.

Your deductive skills need work then. I'm simply pointing out that large drivers of the Swiss economy are going to find it difficult to fill vacancies. Foreign investment typically doesn't look well upon lowered productivity, and the Swiss banks have already voiced their concern at this new political move. My reckoning never suggested banning trade with anyone. I think you were just looking for a soap box.

As for democracy, that's not my point at all. Simply that Switzerland will have to live with the consequences of cherry picking what they want and do not want from the EU.
 
Blackleaf
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The Swiss should tell the EU to go swivel, as the British will do in the 2017 referendum.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Switzerland has a lot of pharmaceuticals...the countries top export is medication valued at over $12 billion a year. Other large exports include vaccines and various chemicals. These industries attract foreign workers, and foreign workers don't generally want to move without their families. This is going to be destabilizing for the Swiss economy, which has benefited a great deal from foreign investment.

Switzerland hasn't learned, they are just being populist. They're about to learn though...

Populism is the main hazard of a direct-democracy; it's AKA the tyranny of the masses.

Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

You mean the Swiss government has allowed the Swiss people to decide rather than having their country bossed about by the EUSSR? How NASTY of them!

Just correcting this comment: the reason that Switzerland is a direct democracy is because the people have the power over gov't, not the other way round. That means the people allow the gov't to do what it does.

Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

The Swiss should tell the EU to go swivel, as the British will do in the 2017 referendum.

The Swiss gov't will do what the Swiss people want it to do.
 
Zipperfish
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

The Swiss gov't will do what the Swiss people want it to do.

What's their secret? Do you think we could get the government to do that in Canada too?
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

What's their secret? Do you think we could get the government to do that in Canada too?

The secret is getting rid of representatives and doing a lot of referendums. Won't happen in Canuckville because the representatives are the ones that form the rules so it'd be like us requiring them to cut their own political power throats.
 
B00Mer
Republican
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Tired of the Muzzies??

Way to go Switzerland, now if other European countries would grow a pair..
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
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No bigotry in that comment. I must have missed where any particular brand of humans are singled out for mention.
 
BaalsTears
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Black men occasionally rape a white man in the Bay Area. I assume its a sexual dominance/payback fetish working in the mind of the black man.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Populism is the main hazard of a direct-democracy; it's AKA the tyranny of the masses.

Populism IS democracy. It is a word used to describe democracy by those who don't like democracy, particularly by the EUSSR and its supporters.

Quote:

Just correcting this comment: the reason that Switzerland is a direct democracy is because the people have the power over gov't, not the other way round. That means the people allow the gov't to do what it does.

I know that. The EU, however, doesn't like democracy. It likes to decide things and it and its supporters don't like democracy. If Switzerland was in the EU the EU would make them vote again because they gave the "wrong" answer and would make them keep voting again until they give the "right" answer. That is exactly what it did to the Irish when they voted against the Lisbon Treaty. The EU didn't take no for an answer so made the Irish vote again, and they voted in favour of it the second time.

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The Swiss gov't will do what the Swiss people want it to do.

Only because it's outside the EUSSR.
 
Tonington
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Ireland renegotiated and had a number of topics clarified with the EC before the second referendum. Polls after the first referendum showed that the largest bloc the no votes came from people who didn't understand the Lisbon Treaty and were uncomfortable voting for something they didn't understand.

With the terms clarified and even renegotiated, Ireland passed the second referendum by a huge margin. That's democracy. And then Ireland sucked up huge ($117 Billion) funds from the EU and IMF to bailout their economy.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Ireland renegotiated and had a number of topics clarified with the EC before the second referendum. Polls after the first referendum showed that the largest bloc the no votes came from people who didn't understand the Lisbon Treaty and were uncomfortable voting for something they didn't understand.

With the terms clarified and even renegotiated, Ireland passed the second referendum by a huge margin. That's democracy. And then Ireland sucked up huge ($117 Billion) funds from the EU and IMF to bailout their economy.

Basically that's just a long-winded way of saying that the EUSSR didn't accept the results of Lisbon 1 as it should have done; decided that those who voted against it only did so because they were just thick Paddies who didn't understand what the Lisbon Treaty is (an EUSSR constitution) and so decided to "educate" them; and then demanded that the Irish have another referendum and threatened then with dire consequences should those troublesome Paddies dare democratically defy the EUSSR in Lisbon 2.

That's EUSSR democracy for you.

A real democracy would have just accepted the first referendum results: the people spoke.

The fact that just months after the Irish gave the "wrong" answer in the referendum it "educated" them, issued them with threats and made them vote again until it gave the "right" answer just sends chills down my spine.

I've got a nasty feeling the EUSSR will try the same trick in 2017 after the British people vote to leave the EUSSR. Hopefully we'll be made of sterner stuff than the Irish and vote in favour of leaving the EUSSR the second time around, too.
Last edited by Blackleaf; Feb 12th, 2014 at 07:20 AM..
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

The secret is getting rid of representatives and doing a lot of referendums. Won't happen in Canuckville because the representatives are the ones that form the rules so it'd be like us requiring them to cut their own political power throats.

hmmm , if we had monthly referendums maybe we wouldn't need the senate? The only hurdle for such a change is to get Canadians to care and get off their mules (cul)
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by El BartoView Post

hmmm , if we had monthly referendums maybe we wouldn't need the senate? The only hurdle for such a change is to get Canadians to care and get off their mules (cul)

IMO, that is an unsurmountable task.
 
El Barto
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

IMO, that is an unsurmountable task.

I know , people are worst than cattle .
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Basically that's just a long-winded way of saying that the EUSSR didn't accept the results of Lisbon 1 as it should have done; decided that those who voted against it only did so because they were just thick Paddies who didn't understand what the Lisbon Treaty is (an EUSSR constitution) and so decided to "educate" them; and then demanded that the Irish have another referendum and threatened then with dire consequences should those troublesome Paddies dare democratically defy the EUSSR in Lisbon 2.

That's EUSSR democracy for you.

You're daft. Do you understand what renegotiate means? In this case, it means the EU changed their terms. Which is exactly what happened (external - login to view). Articles of the Lisbon treaty were deleted, and some new articles were added between the two votes. That's hardly a heavy handed EU demand...but then you probably knew that already.

After the renegotiation, Ireland voted again. That is democracy.
 

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