Taking Back a Stolen Homeland - Scotland

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Now the little people are rising and demanding land reform - that is to say the divestiture of the estates and the return of these lands to the masses. Their argument is that this is all stolen property.


Few things show inequality more than Land Registry records and, when it comes to that, Britain surely stands alone. In the thousand years since the Norman conquest, most of the land in England has been held and remains held by a very small and select segment of the population.

According to the author Kevin Cahill, the main driver behind the absurd expense of owning land and property in Britain is that so much of the nation's land is locked up by a tiny elite. Just 0.3% of the population – 160,000 families – own two thirds of the country. Less than 1% of the population owns 70% of the land, running Britain a close second to Brazil for the title of the country with the most unequal land distribution on Earth.

Much of this can be traced back to 1066. The first act of William the Conqueror, in 1067, was to declare that every acre of land in England now belonged to the monarch. This was unprecedented: Anglo-Saxon England had been a mosaic of landowners. Now there was just one. William then proceeded to parcel much of that land out to those who had fought with him at Hastings. This was the beginning of feudalism; it was also the beginning of the landowning culture that has plagued England – and Britain – ever since.


The dukes and earls who still own so much of the nation's land, and who feature every year on the breathless rich lists, are the beneficiaries of this astonishing land grab. William's 22nd great-granddaughter, who today sits on the throne, is still the legal owner of the whole of England. Even your house, if you've been able to afford one, is technically hers. You're a tenant, and the price of your tenancy is your loyalty to the crown. When the current monarch dies, her son will inherit the crown (another Norman innovation, incidentally, since Anglo-Saxon kings were elected). As Duke of Cornwall, he is the inheritor of land that William gave to Brian of Brittany in 1068, for helping to defeat the English at Hastings.

But the Normans and their descendants are eclipsed by the landed gentry in Scotland. Today, the work of the highland clearances completed, more than half the land in Scotland is in the hands of just 500-people.


The land on which many of our lairds sit was stolen in the 17th century," says [Andy Wightman, author of The Poor Had No Lawyers, Who Owns Scotland (And How they Got It)]. "But these ill-gotten gains were protected by acts which maintained their hegemony after the rest of Europe ditched feudalism and concentrated land ownership."

He describes how the aristocracy embraced the 1560 Reformation as a means of getting their hands on land belonging to the "Auld Kirk". They needed to protect their stolen goods with a robust law.


The Act of Prescription (1617) did the trick. Thus any land occupied for 40 years or more was indemnified from future legal challenge. The law remains in place and has effectively upheld the gentry's rights to stolen goods for 400 years.
 

Blackleaf

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The Queen is the legal owner of the whole of Britain, not just England.

She's also the legal owner of the whole of Canada and all the other 14 nations over which she reigns.

She's the biggest landowner on Earth.
 

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The Queen is the legal owner of the whole of Britain, not just England.

She's also the legal owner of the whole of Canada and all the other 14 nations over which she reigns.

She's the biggest landowner on Earth.


You should stick to your funny little Brit stories and comment not bout stuff of which you obviously know sweet fukk all.

But you did pass your morning's troll 101 exam. Congratulations.

Now toddle off and play some cricket or sommmut.
 

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Time for her to pay taxes, then.
"Crown land" is simply a quaint anachronistic term for lands owned and controlled by the state. It is time for a serious discussion on the role of the British monarchy in Canada.
 

Nuggler

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Time for her to pay taxes, then.
"Crown land" is simply a quaint anachronistic term for lands owned and controlled by the state. It is time for a serious discussion on the role of the British monarchy in Canada.


Nah, she's just a figurehead
A w hore in bed
The mast
An upright *****.............(The Good Ship Venus)

Our crown land in E. Ont. will soon be owned by the Algonquins. Gifted. By some dork I didn't vote for.
 

Blackleaf

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You should stick to your funny little Brit stories and comment not bout stuff of which you obviously know sweet fukk all.

It's you who knows nothing about it.

The Queen is the world's biggest landowner. She owns all the land of all the countries of which she is Head of State, including Canada.

She is, by far, the biggest landowner on the planet, owning 6.6 billion acres of land. She's the only person on Earth who owns whole countries.

Try researching it before indulging in foul-mouthed abuse. I'm afraid you're the troll here. The Queen owns Canada.
 

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The Queen is the legal owner of the whole of Britain, not just England.

She's also the legal owner of the whole of Canada and all the other 14 nations over which she reigns.

She's the biggest landowner on Earth.


That so?

Well, we've got some land related issues down my way and I think that it's high time that the monarchy kicked a few bucks into the kitty for all of the improvements, upkeep and their share of the property taxes.

She can make the cheque out me... Tell her to PM me here at CC and we'll discuss the over due payments.

Cheerio,

CM
 

Blackleaf

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That so?

Well, we've got some land related issues down my way and I think that it's high time that the monarchy kicked a few bucks into the kitty for all of the improvements, upkeep and their share of the property taxes.

She can make the cheque out me... Tell her to PM me here at CC and we'll discuss the over due payments.

Cheerio,

CM

Haven't you heard of Google?

Can't you research it on Google to try and prove that I'm wrong before making silly posts? Because I may be about to embarass you.
 

captain morgan

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I'm banking (literally) on you being correct.

Either the monarchy is the landowner and maintains real (financial) responsibilities or they do not in which case they have forfeited the opportunity.
 

Blackleaf

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I want full apologies from nuggler and Captain Morgan, who have just shown themselves up in front of lots of people.

Queen Elizabeth II is the largest landowner on earth. She also owns whales.

Queen Elizabeth II is not just the sovereign ruler of the United Kingdom, she also owns a good part of it—and more. During her 60-year reign, Queen Elizabeth II has been the head of state of a total of 32 independent countries; 16 of those have currently have her as sovereign (these are known as the Commonwealth realms*), and the remaining acknowledged her as their monarch until they became independents. This means that the Queen is the legal owner of more than 6,600 million acres of land—that’s one-sixth of the earth’s non-ocean surface—making her the largest landowner on earth. (King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia comes in at a distant second, with only 553 million acres.)

In addition to land, Queen Elizabeth also owns creatures in the waters surrounding the United Kingdom—specifically, she owns all of the sturgeons, whales, and dolphins, which are recognized as “Fishes Royal.” This unusual ownership comes from a statute written in 1324 during the reign of King Edward II, which states “The King shall have … whales and sturgeons taken in the sea or elsewhere within the realm.” Jurist Sir Matthew Hale added the porpoise as a royal fish in the 17th century.

Did you know…? Queen Elizabeth II is the largest landowner on earth. She also owns whales.
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“Queen Elizabeth II the largest landowner on Earth.”

Queen Elizabeth II is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth’s non ocean surface.

She is the only person on earth who owns whole countries, and who owns countries that are not her own domestic territory. This land ownership is separate from her role as head of state and is different from other monarchies where no such claim is made – Norway, Belgium, Denmark etc.

The value of her land holding. £17,600,000,000,000 (approx) (£17.6 TRILLION).

This makes her the richest individual on earth. However, there is no way easily to value her real estate. There is no current market in the land of entire countries. At a rough estimate of $5,000 an acre, and based on the sale of Alaska to the USA by the Tsar, and of Louisiana to the USA by France, the Queen’s land holding is worth a notional $33,000,000,000,000 (Thirty three trillion dollars or about £17,600,000,000,000). Her holding is based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in all the countries she owns. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on earth with 1,900 million acres, the Papua New Guinea with114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres and the UK with 60 million acres.

She is the world’s largest landowner by a significant margin. The next largest landowner is the Russian state, with an overall ownership of 4,219 million acres, and a direct ownership comparable with the Queen’s land holding of 2,447 million acres. The 3rd largest landowner is the Chinese state, which claims all of Chinese land, about 2,365 million acres. The 4th largest landowner on earth is the Federal Government of the United States, which owns about one third of the land of the USA, 760 million acres. The fifth largest landowner on earth is the King of Saudi Arabia with 553 million acres

Who Owns the World - “Queen Elizabeth II the largest landowner on Earth.� | Locals Supporting Locals


Largest five personal landowners on Earth

Queen Elizabeth II: 6,600 million acres
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia: 553 million acres
King Bhumibol of Thailand: 126 million acres
King Mohammed IV of Morocco: 113 million acres
Sultan Quaboos of Oman: 76 million acres
 

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I'm not contesting that she (might) be the owner or may have at one time.

Fact is, in wee little Canada, there has been a piss-pot on money, resources and labor applied to 'her' land and the butcher bill now needs to be settled (with interest I might add).

300+ years of payments in arrears will carve-off a large portion of her net worth.

Under the circumstances, I'm not to comfortable with a personal cheque on this. SWIFT transfer and some collateral will have to be the arrangement

I want full apologies from nuggler and Captain Morgan, who have just shown themselves up in front of lots of people.

Let's settle the bill first and then we'll look into your demands, m'kay?

Queen Elizabeth II is the largest landowner on earth. She also owns whales.

That's impressive, owning numerous whales and whatnot.

What are their names? Are they house broken?
 

hunboldt

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That so?

Well, we've got some land related issues down my way and I think that it's high time that the monarchy kicked a few bucks into the kitty for all of the improvements, upkeep and their share of the property taxes.

She can make the cheque out me... Tell her to PM me here at CC and we'll discuss the over due payments.

Cheerio,

CM

Blackleaf is , interestingly enough, correct. What you have is 'a varying bundle of rights', and your quarrel is with the oppression you are receiving from your rightful liege lord, Stephen Harper.

CM, you rebellious peasant- you are supposed to touch the forelock to your overlord.

That said, Scotland's land usage is a 'mess'. It is a country of , literally, tenants and sub tenants .

CM has been listening to commie agitators , Blackleaf.
 

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hunboldt

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I actually think Comrade Morgan has raised several legitimate points about an effete British aristocracy's benighted views on royalty's place in a distant democratic society (Canada not Britain),


The Tories in England had long imagined that they were enthusiastic about the monarchy, the church and beauties of the old English Constitution, until the day of danger wrung from them the confession that they are enthusiastic only about rent.
-Marx



Scotland was traditionally held in 'care' by the clan, where the laird had responsibility for his clan member's welfare. Rebellious clans, such as the MacGregors, were systematically reduced until the clan was 'outlawed'.

The State of Isreal holds 96 % of the land in the former Mandate of Palestine, . The land was considered 'abandoned' in 1948-49. ( luck less bunch, those Arabs.) The Mandate was an experiment in mostly small landowners, some large family based holdings.

Interestingly, Canada and the US support what is, on paper, the most socialised nation in the world. Israel is a possible model for land holding that Scotland could evolve into.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_and_Property_Laws_in_Israel
 
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damngrumpy

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Actually in theory the Queen is supreme monarch and she does own the lands
for the most part. Crown Land is a term for State owned land except the Queen
is the Queen of Canada at the moment so technically the lands belong to the
office of the Crown, or the Queen.
Yes it is time we had the Monarchy discussion, in one sense I would say get rid of
it, except in this country we have to be aware of our multicultural mess and remember
the land if sold off might fall into serious foreign ownership and not anything like
the crown land we are used to. Kind of like trying to get natives to sell their Reserve
rights..
In addition this whole thing comes up reform, as Scotland prepares for a vote on
separation most interesting isn't it.
 

WLDB

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The Queen is the legal owner of the whole of Britain, not just England.

She's also the legal owner of the whole of Canada and all the other 14 nations over which she reigns.

She's the biggest landowner on Earth.

She is the head of state of those countries not the landowner. Does Obama own the US? Does Putin own Russia? No. They are just the head.
 

petros

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"The Crown" is the City of London which run by the Bank of England not the Queen. It has its own courts, its own laws, it's own Mayor its own flag and its own police force, separate from the metropolitan.
 

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Ultimately, all states own all the land within their borders. The idea of private property is an illusion. Any rights you may have to your property is from the permission of the state, which can be rescinded. There's no point in singling out Queen Elizabeth II. Her property ownership of several whole countries is symbolic. At any time the states she represents can remove her from her position. The states, not her, actually own the land.