Goodbye Democracy, Hello Technocracy!

petros

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ROME — As dubious European bond markets looked on, a former member of the European Commission and well-respected economist, Mario Monti, was sworn in as prime minister and finance minister on Wednesday, unveiling a cabinet of technocrats charged with repairing Italy’s ailing economy to help keep the debt crisis at bay.

While the new government was widely hailed as a welcome sign that Italy would tackle much-needed economic restructuring, markets were not convinced, raising questions about whether it might have come too late to help.

With a consensus developing that Italy is doomed to a devastating default in the absence of extraordinary new measures from its partners in the euro zone, investors drove Italian borrowing rates above 7 percent on 10-year bonds, a rate that is regarded as unsustainable. At that level, economists say, Italy would have to run a budget surplus of 5 percent of gross domestic product just to avoid going deeper into debt.

More troublingly, yields on French bonds were also rising this week, indicating that the debt crisis is overwhelming the halting efforts of European leaders to contain it. While Mr. Monti was being sworn in, France and Germany continued to clash over whether the European Central Bank should intervene more forcefully to bring down interest rates, particularly in Italy.

Europe is seen as facing a critical moment when it opts for either the deeper political integration that experts say is needed for the currency union to succeed, or breaking apart. On Wednesday, the president of the European Commission, José Manuel Barroso, spoke forcefully in favor of greater integration.

Warning of a “truly systemic crisis” in Europe, he said that states would need to accept “full discipline, full convergence, full integration.” He also warned that the crisis could not be solved without more sustained economic growth.
In Italy, Mr. Monti will have a weighty double mandate: to help restore growth and prod Europe to find a more comprehensive solution to the debt crisis.

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and President Nicolas Sarkozy of France both called Mr. Monti on Wednesday to express their support, Italian news media reported, and Mr. Monti is seen as a more respectable interlocutor than his predecessor, Silvio Berlusconi. But Mr. Monti must still win the confidence of investors in the face of Italy’s $2.6 trillion debt, the highest in the euro zone after Greece and one of the highest in the world.

The new Italian government “is certainly an improvement on the previous one, there’s no doubt about that, and I think people can have confidence in Mario Monti,” said Paul De Grauwe, an economist at the University of Leuven and a former adviser to the European Commission. “The problem is that this may not satisfy markets.”

Mr. Monti will have his work cut out for him. He is expected to try to cut public spending and lift revenues, change the pension system, reintroduce a property tax on first homes and make it easier for companies to hire and fire workers, to help bolster Italy’s anemic economy.
Business leaders applauded. “For us he is the right person to restore credibility, to put Italy on track again,” said Emma Marcegaglia, the president of Confindustria, Italy’s business association. “It’s a good list of people; they are capable, serious professionals,” she said of the cabinet.

“Monti clearly knows what has to be done,” Ms. Marcegaglia added. “The big challenge will be getting Parliament to approve this.”
Indeed, that is a tall order for a prime minister with little experience in the rough and tumble of Italian politics and no politicians in his cabinet. Mr. Monti said the lack of politicians gave the cabinet independence, but it remains to be seen whether that translates into the clout needed to change the laws and customs of a postwar welfare state built on a patronage culture that dates back centuries.

The center-left in Parliament has close ties to labor unions and might therefore block privatizations and changes in labor laws, while some in the center-right party of Mr. Berlusconi have accused Mr. Monti of pulling off a market-driven coup d’état and are looking for any chance to force early elections and a return to democratic processes.

Mr. Monti is expected to win confidence votes in Parliament on Thursday and Friday and has said he intends to govern through to the next scheduled elections, in 2013, but doubts remain about whether he will survive that long.

In sharp contrast to Mr. Berlusconi’s cabinet, whose clashing vested interests blocked economic reform, Mr. Monti’s cabinet draws from academia, banking, business and the upper echelons of the civil service. Some ministers have strong ties to the Roman Catholic Church, whose support is still needed for any Italian government to gain traction.

Corrado Passera, the chief executive of Italy’s biggest retail bank, was named minister for economic development and transport, and Mr. Monti added that women would lead three of the “most important ministries”: interior, justice, and labor and welfare. But even if Mr. Monti succeeds in pushing through structural changes, some of Italy’s woes are beyond its control. A growing chorus of politicians, business leaders and economists say the only way to shore up the euro — and prevent Italy from default — is for the European Central Bank to become a lender of last resort, like the Federal Reserve.

Charles Grant, the director of the Center for European Reform, a London research institute, said that Italy could be saved from the precipice by a Monti government “acting and showing it can do all the right things” and a “German shift” toward allowing the current bailout mechanism to borrow from the European Central Bank.

However things work out, Mr. Monti is widely seen here as Italy’s best hope. “It could be too late, but there’s no other option,” said Massimo Giannini, the deputy editor and business editor of the newspaper La Repubblica. “Let’s hope for the best.”
 

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Maybe, but they have an extreme situation. People knew Italy et al (Med lands) weren't ready for the euro, but the EU was exhuberant to grow after the end of the Cold War. Now its a very long, banging, aching, thobbing, hangover. But I'd still rather live there than in China.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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But they have massive deficits, someone has to pay. Some guy in ancient Greece cancelled all the debts, and that's the hope, but it's not gonna happen that way again any time soon. The gods are gone, there are no threats, it is a mindnumbingly secular world of bean counters an technocrats out there.
 

damngrumpy

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The beginning of the end is in sight for this troubled country. While the government
is now in the hands of a right wing technocrat, the people will eventually stand up
and make their views known. Italians do that by riots in the streets. Greece is not
finished yet either. And if you look south and west there is Spain, Portugal and
a time bomb ticking politically. We are about to see a backlash to the main hall of
government when the tightening of the belt is finally felt.
Oh I agree that the current trend could not continue the whole economy was about
to go over the edge. The fact is I still believe the economy is going to go over the
edge anyway. We are going to come very close to a depression in the future
both in Europe and here for that matter.
Italy is no stranger to dictatorship and fascism itself, and its about to rear its ugly
head again.,
 

taxslave

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This may not be all that bad. After all the elected politicians that are more interested in buying your vote with your own money haven't exactly done a stellar job of running the economy.
 

Omicron

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My head is spinning, and I don't know where to begin.

First: Let's look at non-currency debts. Those are when you ask a favor from someone with expectations that you will return a favor back. That's the most basic natural kind of debt-trade, practiced from instinct by any social species. Even the cells in our bodies go into debt for each other all the time, albeit with no interest. It's called Homeostasis.

In that spirit, let's suppose Italy says to China, "Give us lots of cheep, lead-laden toys to give our kids for Christmas, and we will ship you back...." What?

I happen to know that those Asians not allergic to alcohol (those allergic get what's called the "Asian flush" when they drink, which turns their faces red while not feeling drunk while getting a headache, and I've met a white person who had that, so it's a genetic condition that can drift) are very fond of red wine, so trade could be set up there.

The point is, I don't get it. When they say "Living beyond your means", do they mean asking more from others than you given back for that favour?

Did Italians say, "Give us all the toys China can build and all the cars Germany can build, and we will pay you back with all the red-wine you can drink"?

Maybe, in which case, shame on Italians. Evidently they asked for more treats from China and Germany than could be repaid with their red wine.

But what if you have money traders in-between encouraging the trade, not because they thought it could be paid back, but because they got a cut of the deal at the moment it was made?

Second: Money hasn't been anything other than numbers since they took it off the Gold Standard. Perfect for a Lucifer type entity to play with.

Third: Most people don't know the difference between Feudalism and the dark Ages. Yes Feudalism happened in the middle of that time, but most people don't know why nobody was complaining. They were dancing around in colorful clothing playing instruments.

It is remembered because for a moment of flowering things got better. Analysis of skeletons shows they started to get taller. Nobody was complaining. They were writing legends, stories, and ballads in colorful clothing.

What they had was Church as the court and a currency based upon a cheep form of tin that would go black if not spent quickly.

Their currency had a negative interest rate, such that they had to spend it quickly. That forced trade to happen.

For that couple-hundred year period of time there was a window when people were happy in the middle of the dark ages.

Fourth: Any nimrods ever read the Bible will know that once every 50 years all debts got written off. It means back then they understood the problem of accelerating debt.

I know Evangelists in the States who will cry about how they lost their house, but will not read their own scripture for information on how the ancients dealt with it.

Italia owes $2.6 trillion, can't get much worse. Southern Italy is very corrupt, the mafia etc. Like who's worse? Italy is too big to bail out. Those bunga bunga soccer players have got themselves into a massive fix.

So what would happen if they just called a Jubilee Year?

It's all based upon how people don't know how exponential feedback works.

Remember the tale of the guy who did the favor for the Emperor of China?

The Emperor asked what he wanted to be paid.

He said "Give me one grain of rice on the first square, two grains of rice on the second, four on the third, eight on the fourth..."

At the end of the board the Contractor owned more than all the rice in China.

The fact that interest and debt can lead to self-feedbacking mechanisms way beyond the point of returning a favor is why they had Jubilee year.

Lenders will whine, and Jesus said -never a lender be.
 
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