Study: Religion may become extinct in nine nations

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Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says


A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.

The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.

The team's mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.


The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

Nonlinear dynamics is invoked to explain a wide range of physical phenomena in which a number of factors play a part.

One of the team, Daniel Abrams of Northwestern University, put forth a similar model in 2003 to put a numerical basis behind the decline of lesser-spoken world languages.

At its heart is the competition between speakers of different languages, and the "utility" of speaking one instead of another.

"The idea is pretty simple," said Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement, and the University of Arizona.
"It posits that social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join, and it posits that social groups have a social status or utility.

"For example in languages, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of [the dying language] Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not."

Dr Wiener continued: "In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; in the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%."

The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the "non-religious" category.

They found, in a study published online, that those parameters were similar across all the countries studied, suggesting that similar behaviour drives the mathematics in all of them.

And in all the countries, the indications were that religion was headed toward extinction.

However, Dr Wiener told the conference that the team was working to update the model with a "network structure" more representative of the one at work in the world.

"Obviously we don't really believe this is the network structure of a modern society, where each person is influenced equally by all the other people in society," he said.

However, he told BBC News that he thought it was "a suggestive result".

"It's interesting that a fairly simple model captures the data, and if those simple ideas are correct, it suggests where this might be going.

"Obviously much more complicated things are going on with any one individual, but maybe a lot of that averages out."

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Avro

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"Obviously we don't really believe this is the network structure of a modern society, where each person is influenced equally by all the other people in society," he said.

However, he told BBC News that he thought it was "a suggestive result".


Avro should learn how to read.


In other words, this is about a fantasy world rather than the real world and was a waste of money unless they were just "testing" statistical analysis's.
 

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Peruvian religion is hampering Avro's success in life. That's why he is on welfare and sitting around all day watching youporn.
 

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There will always exist some form of religion no matter where ; but an awareness of love and wisdom is already extinct .
 

karrie

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Yea, this is a wishy-washy thing, but one can hope!


why? why wouldn't one just hope for understanding between all the different religions and people without religion? To hope for one to disappear is to hold the truth that yuo've got it right, which is the main thing wrong with religion in the first place. Get rid of religion, without getting rid of that view, and you haven't actually changed humanity at all.
 

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Hey hey hey.. don't misunderstand me. We can get it to work and still have religion. I'd just rather have everyone give up their theistic beliefs and maintain some of the core values (which they've obviously given up even if they are religious).
 

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I understand you just fine... you think peace will be achieved when everyone thinks like you, when they give up the beliefs you don't hold.
 

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I understand you just fine... you think peace will be achieved when everyone thinks like you, when they give up the beliefs you don't hold.

Nope.

It can definitely be achieved otherwise. It just makes my life funner if they give up those beliefs. It would be nice to have a few more atheist friends. We're still drowning in a sea of religious fanaticism.

Ease up a bit. This isn't 'conform or die'.
 
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"It's the people who think differently from me that are the whole problem, and if they'd just change their whole outlook, life would be fine."

 

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I understand you just fine... you think peace will be achieved when everyone thinks like you, when they give up the beliefs you don't hold.


Peace may not be achieved by giving up the beliefs but it is certain that religions kill the peace- examples and evidences stand before us.
 

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If people who profess belief lived by those beliefs, peace would have happened a longtime ago. There is a growing number of atheists precisely because people proclaim the believe and hate or condemn those who don't believe as they do. If their is truly only one god, then it gave its message to each peoples in a way they could understand it. Language and semantics play a part in misunderstandings between belief systems, but after many years of studying comparative religions, I came to the conclusion that most religions are talking about the same thing, just using different points of view.

Even the multitude of Christian faiths can't agree on what the bible says. Factor in the various other world religious views and there seems to be no consensus, but if people took the time to talk to each other and to really understand the meanings behind the wording (words are just symbols, after all, representing ideas) that others are using, they would find that they have more in common, than differences. In fact, I would like to see a conference of world religions convene with the sole purpose of finding their similarities instead of their differences and have it broadcast world wide. That alone could lead to world peace. Of course the military/industrial complex would not be happy and would do everything in its power to undermine the process.
 

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Selin, the problem is, atheists are becoming just as rabidly secure in their opinion as all the rest. I know, they're ignoring the buildup, because they haven't organized and led a 'non-holy' war yet, but the rhetoric is building.


Do religions do a disservice in proclaiming to be right and creating divisions? Hell yes... should that rhetoric change? Hell yes. Now stop, and really truly, without bias, look at both sides of the equation as they are evolving.
 

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I don't really mind people asserting that their opinions are right. It's when they start saying "I'm right and if you don't agree you're going to hell," you start to get a little apprehensive and then it becomes "I'm right and if you don't change your ways God has commanded me to send you to hell."

I wouldn't put it past a fanatical atheist to crack down on religious freedom (it's happened before), but one thing atheists don't have is the divine permission that seems to give the religious limitless power to force their views on every aspect of human life. It's the oldest form of totalitarianism.
 

DaSleeper

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Selin, the problem is, atheists are becoming just as rabidly secure in their opinion as all the rest. I know, they're ignoring the buildup, because they haven't organized and led a 'non-holy' war yet, but the rhetoric is building.

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