The time for talking is getting shorter. Senator John McCain is using "Regime Change" language. The Chinese can do it diplomatically or end up with a full scale war on their doorstep.
The little Hitler regime in NK has to go. Either peacefully or by annihilation.
Well South Korea appears to have enough.
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — South Korea's president on Monday took responsibility for failing to protect his citizens from a deadly North Korean artillery attack last week, vowing tough consequences for any future aggression and expressing outrage over the "ruthlessness of the North Korean regime."
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The last thing China wants on its border is a complete collapse of the North Korean economy. If that happens, who knows what could happen to the nukes, not to mention a litkely refugee crisis on China's border.
Talking with North Korea is exactly what they want. They pull these outrageous "stunts", and then get what they want from the appeasers. Over time, their "stunts" have escalated, killing more people, and yet the North get rewarded each and every tie they do something like this.
I get such a kick out of the appeasers. "Oh my God, we can't have war. Give them whatever they want."
I say, bomb the North Koreans back to the stone age, and have done with it. Tell China that if they want a Nuclear war, stick their nose into the affair.
"For decades, China did control North Korea, within a
little pond of the world. "
"China will abandoned the North Koreans for two reasons, One it is expedient to do so and secondly no one wants
crazy people living next door to them no matter how long the relationship has been."
If push comes to shove the Americans will blow the smithereens out of NK. It will be like shooting fish in a barrel. Mr Il will be in one those Saddam-like spider holes in no time.
Unprovoked? Of course many would say that while conveniently forgetting that the ROK held live firing military exercises in a disputed area which would have to have been calculated to be provocative.
Actually it would not be an American Base, it would become a democratic part of the world
after several decades of building a real society there and educating people to the standards
of the real world.
China did control North Korea, right after the second world war.
In terms of the real outside world it was a backwater as it were. North Korea has since built itself a
bomb and now things are different, however North Korea is still dependent of China for a
number of things like power.
China is the only real window left open to that country.
North Korea is expendable in the terms of international commerce and within the next few
years Korea will fall anyway, and I mean it will fall into chaos.
Kim will be gone and the kid is no leader, in fact its another case of putting Gilligan in charge of the island.
When people see that leadership vacuum and the inside military squabbles boil over into the
street all hell will break loose.
The old rules were just to attack military targets and the general population shrugged.
Oh yeah, those live fire attacks displease NK, but they occurred because now SK feels provoked. Don't get bogged down in the *** for tat details, things appear to be escalating. SK had decided it as been provoked to a degree that permits it to change the rules. NK will likely get peeved at this because it always made the rules. I mean, for so long, everything went Nk's way, they were winning, and we all like to keep winning.
To become a great leader Kim Jung Un needs some actiicity and victories. Doing nothing does not make you a great "general".
North Korea is a tiresome political thorn to China like how Israel can be to the US.
Leave it alone, and it's China's problem.
In case you didn't know, the greatest issue over there right now is North Koreans sneaking into China for the greater freedom, which means if others would just stay out of it, the only arguing going on over there right now would be between China and North Korea.
Korean immigrants are no big deal to China, its not as if they will be burdening the Chinese welfare system is it?
China is very happy to have North Korea between them and any American bases. In short, North Korea is not a really big problem for China.
America cannot destry North Korea by military means no matter how much hot air is expended on the topic. The DPRK is dug in like no other country has ever been and they have (a few) very sharp teeth. Besides, the last decades should have shown the error of believing that a few determined people cannot do unacceptable damage to a first world country. Forget all macho fantasies about 'shock and awe' with respect to North Korea.
The DPRK is at war with the ROK and the USA, they are only in a state of truce. Of course bringing that to a close would change the situation somewhat. Meanwhile, holding live firing exercises in a disputed area must put the truce at risk and can be only considered provocative.
Meaningful engagement with Pyongyang is the the only reasonable way forward but it will take a long time to recover ground lost since the Agreed Framework of 1994.
The USA and South Korea could defeat the North "easily", bot only if you were willing to discount heavy civilian casualties, and that must be the decision of South Korea, without outside pressure......
.....engagement with the North has proven to be a complete waste of time, despite the efforts of the major useful idiots of the USA, Clinton and Carter.
North Korea does have a huge dug-in military...........supported by an ill-trained and equipped air force that would be something akin to shooting down drones for US and South Korean pilots......and in modern conventional warfare, once you own the air, you own the battlefield.