Religon is not peaceful as they state

[critter171]

I am seriously done with religion crap. if you don't like my views than i must forced them upon you.

if you don't believe in god.... blah

i am Protestant but i am so sick and tired of all this hate for nothing its just a modern kkk... i am tired of it.

here you see people whine about there rights, than when someone else comes out and say they have a right... its wrong cause "we don't agree with it"

i think the world would be a better place without religon tell you teh truth.... not sure if this will cause in outcry not why i made it.

I am just tried of all this hate for no reason :boxing::violent1:

 

[gerryh]

I am seriously done with religion crap. if you don't like my views than i must forced them upon you.

if you don't believe in god.... blah

i am Protestant but i am so sick and tired of all this hate for nothing its just a modern kkk... i am tired of it.

here you see people whine about there rights, than when someone else comes out and say they have a right... its wrong cause "we don't agree with it"

i think the world would be a better place without religon tell you teh truth.... not sure if this will cause in outcry not why i made it.

I am just tried of all this hate for no reason :boxing::violent1:

and I'm seriously done with brainless morons that blame the actions of a few brain dead zealots on "religion" in general.

 

[talloola]

I totally support your position, I feel the same. No tolerance for others, far too much
criticizm of others, wars and violence because of religion. I also think the world would
be a much better place without it. More peaceful, more tolerance, more love and respect,
and better life values.

 

[critter171]

I totally support your position, I feel the same. No tolerance for others, far too much
criticizm of others, wars and violence because of religion. I also think the world would
be a much better place without it. More peaceful, more tolerance, more love and respect,
and better life values.

nice to see... though i have no problem with people believing in what they want to believe or which religon this hate is just gone to far.

 

[gerryh]

nice to see... though i have no problem with people believing in what they want to believe or which religon this hate is just gone to far.

bullsh*t

 

[critter171]

lets name see how bad it is...

1. Chiristan about 50 years ago. started to scream "white power" and kill many african americans cause of there color.

2. they came back again...

3. chirsitans again.. with muslims... they hate them for no reason than to hate what they believe is god. and there rights only matter. this hate is a joke and so not peaceful. be religon all you want i am done.

religon is not peaceful.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Been reading Christopher Hitchens?

 

[gerryh]

lets name see how bad it is...

1. Chiristan about 50 years ago. started to scream "white power" and kill many african americans cause of there color.

2. they came back again...

3. chirsitans again.. with muslims... they hate them for no reason than to hate what they believe is god. and there rights only matter. this hate is a joke and so not peaceful. be religon all you want i am done.

religon is not peaceful.

more mindless drivel from an obvious bigot with no knowledge.

 

[Spade]

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
Matthew 5:38-42

The adherents conveniently forget these admonitions.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well lessee now, we've got "Chiristans," "chirsitans," some invented historical "facts," and grammatical errors bad enough to destroy all meaning. Are you sure, critter171, that you're quite sober?

 

[Stretch]

I think you'll find that down thru the centuries, more people have been killed in the name of some "imagined god" than by disease, natural disasters etc

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I think you'll find that down thru the centuries, more people have been killed in the name of some "imagined god" than by disease, natural disasters etc

Actually, I strongly doubt that. If you'd left disease off the list I might have agreed. I agree that religion's history is not very good in the protecting human life department, but I don't think relative body counts mean much, and we don't have the data to make an accurate count anyway. Religion is of two kinds. There's gerryh's kind, shared by a former manager of mine who was a Pakistani Muslim, which is loving and respectful and peaceable, as both the New Testament and the Quran urge us to be, and then there are people like the late Gerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and this Terry Jones loon who wants to burn copies of the Quran on September 11th, though I understand from today's news that he's decided not to. Unfortunately the latter get more press, and seem to be more common, even up to the level of church officials like the Archbishop of Canterbury, who a few years ago ascribed floods in Yorkshire to divine punishment for assorted sins. Same as the loons who attributed Hurricane Katrina's destruction of New Orleans to divine punishment. A religion isn't peaceful to the extent that the stupid and ignorant are leading it.

 

[Bcool]

Well lessee now, we've got "Chiristans," "chirsitans," some invented historical "facts," and grammatical errors bad enough to destroy all meaning. Are you sure, critter171, that you're quite sober?

Maybe.... Or maybe its because of many reasons: socio-economic, writing difficulties: dysgraphia for instance, doesn't have good keyboard skills. Many reasons why many are unable or unwilling to attempt to use a computer, let alone access the web. Historical knowledge is learnt, not all get the opportunity to have a reasonable let alone good education. English is their second language? Unlikely IMO in this case, but in many inner city areas there is a language & sub-culture barrier caused by too many problems to go into here, no?

Been reading Christopher Hitchens?

I dunno about him/her, but I do. Wanna take this outside? ;-)

Critter171 said: nice to see... though i have no problem with people believing in what they want to believe or which religon this hate is just gone to far.

gerryh replied: bullsh*t

And

Critter171 said: lets name see how bad it is...

1. Chiristan about 50 years ago. started to scream "white power" and kill many african americans cause of there color.

2. they came back again...

3. chirsitans again.. with muslims... they hate them for no reason than to hate what they believe is god. and there rights only matter. this hate is a joke and so not peaceful. be religon all you want i am done.

religon is not peaceful.

To which

gerryh replied: more mindless drivel from an obvious bigot with no knowledge

Elegantly written, grammatically correct it may not be, but s/he is expressing their POV and it's one shared in general by many people.

Who's the one doing the name calling, the insulting and the down-putting?

I think its the person with religious beliefs who attacks to defend them, no?

A lot of that going around. Some who feel threatened by being attacked for being critical of religion get angry. Just as those who devoutly believe in the religion of their choice get angry when religion in general or their particular faith is questioned and challenged, yes?

Oh, in case you hadn't figured it out, I'm with him/her. I just say it differently, but my POV is just as valid as his/hers and anyone who is a person of faith. And the only time I'm going to question and argue religion is when I or someone else is attacked or harmed emotionally, physically or in any way caused to suffer because they don't share or believe in a specific or any religion. That makes me a tad angry!

"religon is not peaceful." Indeed it is not in this thread!

Remember now: Sticks and stones, gerryh.....

A postscript: I meant to add that it's possible that this is a troll thread in light of the other thread begun by this same member. Doesn't change my opinions on this topic, but if its an attempt to start a flame war, and using religion is the most flammable topic, then I hope it gets stopped ASAP. Time will tell I guess.

 

[Cliffy]

I believe critter has stated that he has a learning disability, the name of which escapes me at the moment. I think it rather unkind to attack him for spelling and keyboard errors. I can sympathize with his frustrations about religions and all the hate that is generated in the name of their gods, holy books and denominations. It really does fly in the face of their admitted beliefs. Sometimes I wonder who the civilized ones really are.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I dunno about him/her, but I do. Wanna take this outside? ;-)

So do I (and I think he's missed something important), and no, not really, I think we can do it here. I've recently come around to thinking Hitchens is wrong, or at least not entirely right, to say that religion poisons everything. It's not religion as such that's poison, it's politicized religion that tries to intrude into the secular world that's poison, hence the need to keep church and state separate. People can believe whatever they want, as long as they recognize that they can't legitimately force their views on those who disagree with them. But give them secular authority and that's what they'll try to do, so they can't have it. I think Hitchens is right that power corrupts religion uniquely, because it believes itself to be absolutely right in some sense and thus has both a right and a duty to interfere in the lives of those who don't buy it, and I also think he's right that any sect elevated to a position of power over others would soon start to behave like the mediaeval Catholic Church. So religion can't be given any secular authority, it poisons both the faith itself and the secular world.

I believe critter has stated that he has a learning disability...

Really? I missed that, or forgot it. Apologies critter, if that's the case, but I still don't know what you meant except in the broadest sense, you're pissed off about all the ill will religion seems to generate. I can certainly sympathize with that.

 

[talloola]

So do I (and I think he's missed something important), and no, not really, I think we can do it here. I've recently come around to thinking Hitchens is wrong, or at least not entirely right, to say that religion poisons everything. It's not religion as such that's poison, it's politicized religion that tries to intrude into the secular world that's poison, hence the need to keep church and state separate. People can believe whatever they want, as long as they recognize that they can't legitimately force their views on those who disagree with them. But give them secular authority and that's what they'll try to do, so they can't have it. I think Hitchens is right that power corrupts religion uniquely, because it believes itself to be absolutely right in some sense and thus has both a right and a duty to interfere in the lives of those who don't buy it, and I also think he's right that any sect elevated to a position of power over others would soon start to behave like the mediaeval Catholic Church. So religion can't be given any secular authority, it poisons both the faith itself and the secular world.

an extremely scary thought, that any religion would be in charge of government. just check out the
countries that are stuck with that type of leadership, very dictatorial, bossy, rigid, people have no
freedom of choice re: their religion, or not a religion, obedience is the flavour of the day.
The thought that the fundamental christians in the u.s. try and try to push themselves into government so they can begin to make their own laws is also very
scary, and not too far from happening if the republicans keep sucking up to them
every campaign, for votes.

 

[Cliffy]

Yes, those that believe they know the absolute truth about god, right and wrong are very dangerous if they get a notion to make others believe the same. Christianity and Islam have been at war for almost a thousand years and neither is willing to allow the other to be as they will. Of course the media loves this stuff because it sells advertising.

 

[JLM]

I totally support your position, I feel the same. No tolerance for others, far too much
criticizm of others, wars and violence because of religion. I also think the world would
be a much better place without it. More peaceful, more tolerance, more love and respect,
and better life values.

The problem is not religion per se, but you have tyrannical, overbearing, obnoxious, holier than thou people who want to impose their will on people, so use religion as the venue for doing so.

 

[Stretch]

The problem is not religion per se, but you have tyrannical, overbearing, obnoxious, holier than thou people who want to impose their will on people, so use religion as the venue for doing so.

would you say that the major perpatrators are in positons of power tho'?

 

[wulfie68]

The problem is not religion per se, but you have tyrannical, overbearing, obnoxious, holier than thou people who want to impose their will on people, so use religion as the venue for doing so.

I'd go so far as to say that organized religion IS a problem because it is usually evangelical, which means spreading the word of your brand of belief to convert the unbelievers. Now this doesn't apply always and to everyone but you can look even at modern Christianity and how it still lobbies from the pulpit on social issues, especially those surrounding homosexuality and reproductive rights (never mind the Islamic states that operate under Sharia). I also tend to differentiate between religion and personal belief, because although they are sides to the same coin, one is more personal and one is institutional.

I know some people will object to this thought but I believe organized religion is by its very nature politcal, it can't help but be that way because you have a group of people and need a power structure... and someone will always want to be that leader and have things interpreted according to their values and understanding.