Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
That's entirely predictable, but I don't think a case can be made about religion poisoning everything from the reactions of some nutbars. If the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury or somebody in a similar position had sent messages to Hitchens expressing the hope that he suffers a horribly painful and protracted death and fries in Hell forever, there might be a case, but that hasn't happened. And just look at the posters here. There are plenty of believers here of various stripes who are reasonable and liberal and friendly and so on, it hasn't poisoned them as far as I can tell, so the blanket condemnation that religion poisons everything seems obviously not true to me. And the same is true in my real life. Two of my best friends are pastors, one's a Lutheran minister, one's an Anglican minister, and they're married to each other. We've had plenty of spirited disagreements and discussions, but I have yet to detect any poison there, they are among the most reasonable and thoughtful people I know.
Yes. To clarify, I did state that I am still somewhat "wishy washy" about the claim, but every time I try to stay neutral seems like something much like those I pointed out come knocking. :::sigh::: Hanging in though, but will write about them as they are part
of my POV.
My late Father-In-Law was a Lutheran Pastor. We got along very well, many discussions often about religion and much laughter. His nickname for me was "Heathen".
My late Mother-in-Law, his wife, was Catholic. We'd have some very fascinating conversations about religion too, as you can imagine. Its impacts, both personal and from their many, many years of religion related experiences. They were happily married for over fifty years.
This thread brought to mind an ongoing discussion that Dad & I had running for a week or more, much the same debate. I learnt a lot, so did he he said
, we decided on 'an agree to disagree' peaceful end to it.
Using just those two special people as examples would shoot anything I had to say right down, thing is, they'd be very annoyed with me if I didn't stick to what I believed and learnt and debated about it. They knew, better than I, the damage radicalized religion can and could do: they saw the house burnings, the driving out of town, etc., in the twenties and thirties in the small, single religion prairie communities. Just as I witnessed the treatment of the Dhoukabour community in B.C. for example, the taking away of their children by the gov. Talked about it with then adults who had been wrenched from their families purely on the basis of their religion. They weren't Son's of Freedom sect, the gov didn't bother to differentiate.
We're not just talking christianity, much as that's the only way some here can see these words to mean. I have a far too long fund of experiences to go into here where religion in so many forms did truly wicked things, just as life does. But if what's claimed about religion is true, then it should be protecting the vulnerable from life's blows not adding to them