Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy
...Israel is among the MOST JUST nations in the Holy Land.........better there than Lebanon, Egypt, Syria.........
These other middle east countries have serious human rights problems. But they pale in comparison to the human rights situation in Israel and the Occupied Territories:
Amnesty International 2010 Annual Report
Israel and the Occupied Territories
thereport.amnesty.org/sites/d...N.pdf#page=129 (external - login to view)
thereport.amnesty.org/sites/d...EN.pdf#page=77 (external - login to view)
thereport.amnesty.org/sites/d...N.pdf#page=152 (external - login to view)
thereport.amnesty.org/sites/d...N.pdf#page=260 (external - login to view)
IMO, none of these nations could be described as "just".
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy
Yep, and just as soon as the Islamists were done killing off all the Jews....peace would reign...
Oh, just a minute! There is the small matter of those pesky Christians! (First Saturday, then Sunday)
Oh, and then there is the Shia....or the Sunni....depending......and you know, the Great Satan....
I would agree that the transition period would be difficult, but I believe it could be managed in such a way that people (Jews, Muslims, Christians...) who are willing to live in peace would prevail. I believe they are a majority on both sides and that extremists are a minority.
The Zionist assumption of religious entitlement is an extreme viewpoint which leads to violence. It divides people into two categories... God's chosen people who are entitled and everyone else who is not entitled. God's chosen people claim to have a God given right to redeem the land. When this is done through violence, without any thought to justice or fairness, redeeming the land becomes synonymous with ethnic cleansing (crime against humanity). Predictably people who suffer oppression and injustice will fight for freedom and justice. Repeat cycle of violence endlessly and here we are.
Seems pretty clear to me that the current situation of ethnic cleansing, Jewish only colonization, violent oppression and injustice will never lead to peace.
Time for a new approach, which is based on freedom and justice for everyone, equally and abandoning the Zionist assumption of religious entitlement.
Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
I don't think that's technically correct. Hamas won the parliamentary elections, not the presidential election. Foreign Affairs is the responsibility of the President's office. I'm just going by memory here so by all means correct me if I'm wrong.
I believe that's true, but the President's mandate timed out years ago. Hamas's mandate has either just expired or is about to expire.
When Fatah refused to hand over control of domestic policy and budget to Hamas, began imprisoning Hamas leaders for being Hamas, and started taking orders from the US and Israel in exchange for arms, they lost legitimacy in the eyes of a majority of Palestinians. That's when the civil war broke out, and Abbas actions completely discredited him in the eyes of most Palestinans and to many Palestinians, Abbas is considered an enemy collaborator.
CBC News - World - Gaza protesters denounce Abbas as 'collaborator'
I have no doubt that Abbas will sign a deal. Most likely he will agree to sell out Palestinians in exchange for personal power and wealth.
That's why the US and Israel have to deal with Hamas. Either that or Palestinians have to go back to the polls and give someone a mandate to represent them in peace negotiations. The US and Israel will have to cut a deal with who ever wins free and fair elections.
BTW, I don't support Hamas either. The majority of Palestinians do, and for legitimacy purposes, that's what matters.