Nudity and the Western World..

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National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

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http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-484938?hpt=C2#
National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

August 25, 2010 | Venice Beach, California |





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iReport — In Venice Beach, California, over 200 women & over 50 men gathered to celebrate the 3rd Annual National Topless Day. They marched from Navy St. down the Venice boardwalk, where surprised onlookers, many tourists, got an eye full. Camera's quickly came out and cheers of encouragement were heard from the crowds that began to form.

The attention they received however, was not with out opposition. A few Christian men gathered to protest against the women's display of indecency. A heated argument ensued.. and the age old debate over "what is moral and perverse" didn't even come close to being resolved.

The group marched for gender equality... freedom for women to "Go Topless." The women want to be able to bare their breasts in the same public places as men; including, and especially at the beaches. In 1975 Venice beach was the most popular "Bare it all Beaches" in Los Angeles County. Now Public nudity is illegal at all Los Angeles county beaches.

Permits were obtained by the protesters to hold this demonstration,although the law still dictates they must cover their nipples. The women placed red tape over their nipples in an X and the men wore bikini tops to symbolize their recognition of the gender inequality.

I covered, or uncovered, this demonstration last year. I asked one of the demonstrators from last year what had changed during the coarse of the year. According to Nadine Gary, a couple of things she noted were the Christian groups protesting, and many other cities getting involved to stage their own demonstrations. 11 total throughout the U.S.

They were a happy group of topless protestors, chanting as they continued down the boardwalk.. maybe feeling a little of the freedom they so desired.

I really wonder about this whole thing.

the guys that are in the video dancing and are involved supporting the whole thing.

are they really supporting the cause for equal rights or do they just want to be able to see women's breasts??

I for one think that it can't happen.

men tend to see women's breasts as sexual desire, a bedroom only kinda deal (or when it comes to breast feeding a baby)

that's the major difference between a man that takes his shirt off and a woman that takes her shirt off.. she is seen as a sexually desired object when she reveals her breasts..

it's like if men were to start walking around without pants on showing themselves.

and the one guy is right, there are children around that don't need to see this.
 

karrie

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

I think it's ridiculous that we can't sunbathe topless on North American beaches. Kudos to them.
 
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Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

I don't know if it's all that ridiculous..

I don't really think it is appropriate for a woman to be topless in a public beach. men aren't going to look at you and say "she's a nice woman", they're gonna say "look at her ****!" and they'll hoot and hollar at you because of it.

let me put it this way.. if you were walking along the beach would you want to come across some men who were suntanning, showing themselves as well?
 

karrie

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

I don't know if it's all that ridiculous..

I don't really think it is appropriate for a woman to be topless in a public beach. men aren't going to look at you and say "she's a nice woman", they're gonna say "look at her ****!" and they'll hoot and hollar at you because of it.

let me put it this way.. if you were walking along the beach would you want to come across some men who were suntanning, showing themselves as well?

Men don't behave that way in Europe, where topless sunbathing is common. Why on earth would men behave that way here if it was the norm?
 

Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

but that's the whole thing, it's not the norm.

the video proves it. those older guys protesting against the women. saying all the Christianity stuff about it.

it would take generations for it to become the norm.
 

karrie

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

No, it wouldn't take generations for it to be the norm. It would take one law declaring it fine, and that would be that. North American tourists go topless on beaches while overseas all the time. Make it law, guarantee their right to do so, and I can almost guarantee it wouldn't take long here.
 

Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

well, maybe. maybe not.

you'd have all these people as you saw in the video (if you saw it) that would make a scene and declare it wrong "according to Jesus, according to the bible"

i just don't see the Govt ever making it a law.

could you ever imagine if the US govt made it legal in the Southern Bible Belt to go topless at a beach? oh my god the uproar!!
 

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but that's the whole thing, it's not the norm.

the video proves it. those older guys protesting against the women. saying all the Christianity stuff about it.

it would take generations for it to become the norm.

'Christianity' shouldn't determine whether or not people can go topless, unless those people are Christians.
 

Chiliagon

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my other topic kinda made me think of this.


what are the reasons that Nudity (and even more so Sex) considered so evil here in North America?

I believe firmly it's the strong Religious backlash it receives from so many people.. and some of it as well is that Pornography depicts it as a sexual thing.

well?
 

Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

'Christianity' shouldn't determine whether or not people can go topless, unless those people are Christians.

I just don't think that in the USA or Canada, people would willingly accept it and as well they wouldn't see a woman topless and go "oh well, " they'd either be like

"WOOHOO!! you go sexy woman!" or they'd be going "what the hell are you doing? put a damn shirt on!"
 

karrie

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The 'new world' was populated in large part by puritans. It's as simple as that. Everyhting else is a ripple forward from that. Laws about this, laws about that, all of them creating an atmosphere of everything enjoyable being taboo. You make something 'naughty', write a law forbidding it, and you give that thing great power in people's minds. so, when we do engage in it, we can't help but feel naughty, bad, guilty, and that ends up reflected in the ridiculous ways we avoid or go overboard on stuff.
 

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

I just don't think that in the USA or Canada, people would willingly accept it and as well they wouldn't see a woman topless and go "oh well, " they'd either be like

"WOOHOO!! you go sexy woman!" or they'd be going "what the hell are you doing? put a damn shirt on!"

Well, isn't the whole point of 'National Topless Day' to try to change those attitudes?
 

Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

well,

depending on where you protest, you'd have a damn hard time making too many people change their attitudes towards it.

look how long it took to change peoples' thoughts and ideas on Racism, equality, etc.

it's not gonna happen overnight.
 

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

are they really supporting the cause for equal rights or do they just want to be able to see women's breasts??

What does it matter why they support it?

I don't feel there's anything wrong with a woman going topless, let alone people going all out naked if they wish..... sure I like breasts, ass, vaginas and all that, but that's beside the point considering many women like abs, muscles, chests, asses and packages of men..... so what?

Some may think it's immoral, yet it wasn't even 100 years ago where our own societies wouldn't allow women to frequent the beach unless they wore something like this:



They're not harming anybody and if men can go shirtless in public, so should women if they choose to.
 

Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

well some people out there are very conservative and it would take almost to the point of threatening them in order to get them to allow it.
 

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

but that's the whole thing, it's not the norm.

Norm's change over time..... it used to be the norm for crusty old men to marry 14 year old girls through arranged marriages.

the video proves it. those older guys protesting against the women. saying all the Christianity stuff about it.

it would take generations for it to become the norm.

We seemed to do just fine once women were allowed to get out of the full body swimsuits shown above...... geez not too long ago, men used to freak out about exposed ankles.

well, maybe. maybe not.

you'd have all these people as you saw in the video (if you saw it) that would make a scene and declare it wrong "according to Jesus, according to the bible"

Sucks to Jesus & the bible I say.... religion no longer dictates the law here in our societies and if they still did, we'd probably have homosexuals and interracial couples burned at the stake.
 

Chiliagon

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

yeah I know.. that today is quite ridiculous to actually realize how we thought.


I just think this is a bit different. Unless people start thinking of breasts not as sexual desires and rather as just body parts and used for feeding babies, it's gonna be a long time.

there are just too many men out there that the first thing that comes to their head when they see breasts is A lot of Blood! (hehehe) get it?
 

Praxius

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Re: National Topless Day Venice Beach.. Equality or Immorality?

well some people out there are very conservative and it would take almost to the point of threatening them in order to get them to allow it.

Well fortunately our society isn't all Conservative tightwads and if the law was changed to allow women to go topless, nobody would have to threaten conservative people to allow it to happen, because it's out of their hands..... it's the law and if they try and oppose it or force people to cover up, they're now breaking the law.

And if they're that bugged about a couple of breasts being exposed, perhaps they should move to Iran.