Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
Uhm, no, those are actually all socialist elements in our country.
Socialism is its root form the idea that the greater good trumps individual liberty. The very concept of income taxes is socialist, the idea that everyone should band togethor to help everyone else through pooling of resources in a method that is based upon what you have not what you want out of the system.
That's one way to skew what I said, however still wrong..... when you have to pay money to do simple things and for no real logical reasons, that's capitalism, because someone wants your money in order for you to do anything. Smokes and alcohol is taxed, because the government wants money for things, and they get this money because it's easier for them to do at our expense. There was no (Or very little) public input in many of these decisions, the governments made these decisions, because they told us it was in our best interests, etc. In the concept that I believe will work, which is Soclialist Direct Democracy, is that any and all of these decisions are made by the people and then what the majority wants to occur happens.
When the government tells us how it's going to be without our input, that's not socialism, that's communism/dictatorship.
When someone prevents you from building or doing anything to your property or house because it takes down their precious value of their homes, they are afraid of losing money, and the government agrees and forces you not to do it..... Capitalism. If there is no currency or monies as I believe there shouldn't be, nobody would have to worry about the value of their homes based on what other's do with their own homes, and thus anybody could do whatever the hell they wanted on their land.
When you have to continually pay property taxes on the land and house you call home, that's capitalism.... paying people who have no more rights over the land then you do, esspecially if you were born and raised on that land or in the country..... yet all for money, profit and greed, they throw people through a burocracy and charges for useless crap to make it as difficult for you to do anything you want with your land and your home that they or anybody else may not like.
When it comes to making sure everybody's quality of life and freedoms are equal, making your own products, trading your own products, or building/modifying your home/property has nothing to do with it and everybody should have the freedom and right to do whatever they wish so long as it doesn't endanger others in the process.
Thats why the USA (as a capitalist founding) didn't have income tax for the government to make money. Money came from Tarriffs.
Tell that to the IRS..... and the problem with you debating this with me, is that you're still referring to money, while I am talking about abolishing money all together.
Lisences and permits are again, socialism. The idea that the general public would be better off with regulation, so capitalism is curtailed to protect individuals.
If it was socialism, then you wouldn't have to pay for anything..... with Capitalism, they have to squeeze any penny they can out of any action, any decision, anything you want to do.... processing fees, service charges..... oh and if you don't follow their instructions to a tee, you get additional charges/fines, have to take everything you did down and do it all over again, or never be allowed to do it period.
I have no problem having someone come and inspect my things I do to make sure they are safe and legal, but I have a problem with the run around services with charges up your **** for doing it. If I want to expand on my home, let's say I want to do it myself..... I have to pay for the material, spend my time and effort to build it all on my own, take the time to make sure it is all done correctly and safely.... and when it is all said and done, I still have to pay the government or some agency on behalf of the government to inspect it and make sure they got every dollar they can for doing nothing.
The only form of socialism I believe in is if you are going to school or working, you are contributing to society, and if you are doing that, then you should have a home, power, heat, water and food, just like everybody else..... yet depending on where you live, depending on a lot of things, you can end up paying more for the same things as someone else in a different location in the country..... because of capitalism and profit..... people in one area are paid more then another, they are a "richer" area, therefore the costs of everything are higher..... if you live in Newfoundland in a paticular house that costs a paticular amount to own, if that exact same house was built in Calgary, the cost of owning that house will be dramatically higher, even though it is built with the exact same materials, designed the exact same way.
Location is why? Is it closer to stores and other convienant things compared to the one in NFLD? Doesn't matter.... if you are working, if you are contributing to society and you are a citizen of this nation, you should have a home and everything you need to substain your life and family. If your home is farther away to stores and gerorcies and work..... supply them a vehicle that can meet their needs.
The inability to build a treehouse is again socialism. Your ability to do what you want with your house is limited by the fact that everyone else in the neighbourhood would be harmed.
That is not socialism.... it's capitalism.... someone's value of their house drops because they can't see some lake or some other tree, therefore their property value (Capitalism) drops..... the government agrees with them that they will loose money (Capitalism) therefore you can not build the treehouse, even though it is on your property that you already paid for. If capitalism didn't exist, and currency was abolished, nobody would have to worry about their property value, because there wouldn't be a value, except a personal value of it being your home. If someone built something on their property that you thought was an eyesore..... then too bad..... feel free to build your own eyesore, because it is your property and you can do with it as you wish..... equal.... socialism.
But if the only excuse people have to prevent someone from doing something is related to money.... then that is capitalism.
Societal good (their house prices) over your personal control over your capital (the erosion of your liberty).
Remove Capitalism as I have been saying and you have nothing to worry about in regards to your "Capital" because there wouldn't be any to worry about in the first place.
It's not complicated.
No you can't, because equally doesn't mean all families are equal. If you have fewer kids and stockpile goods, in a socialist system, they get redistributed equally amongst everyone.
If you are given the adiquate (And then some) amount of resources for the amount of people in your family in a proper maner, then there isn't an issue. Someone with a family of 3 doesn't need the same amount of resources as a family of 5. If everybody in your family has everything they need, and everybody in every other family has everything they need for their families, then it is equal.... you're still stuck on "They got more then us" mentality.... which is a capitalist flaw..... they get more, because there is more of them then you under one roof.... it's not the house that gets the resources, it's the people within that houshold. Seperate each one into seperate homes, and the amounts distributed would remain the same, not including additional resources for maintaining those homes.
Technically, if more people are under one roof, then the resources given would be less then it would be for someone living on their own, because the people living in one house only have to worry about the expenses of one house, rather then 3 or 4 other houses.....
If it is organized and operated properly, the amounts of resources given would be based on idividual needs.... therefore the proper amount for a child, the proper amount for a father, the proper amount for the wife, etc. would be given to the family and distributed equally for their benifit by the parents/authority figures in the household..... if it is found that one parent has been hoarding those resources for themselves or it is distributed unfairly through the houshold, then that would be a form of abuse and neglect, and thus, disiplinary actions would be required for the protection of each person in the houshold.
Socialist systems bring in such fun facts as "public good laws", where your property could be of greater use to society than it is to you, so they take it.
Oh so it's socialism that forecloses homes because people can't afford the new increases in their payments? It's Socialism that throws people out on the streets because someone didn't get their money or not enough of their money?
You sure do have things screwed up pretty well.... but I guess so long as you ignore the "Capitalist Costs" on just about everything in our lives, one could attempt to try and make it sound like it's all socialism's fault. The only reason why some of those capitalist processes seem like they have socialist traits, is because when they were all left on their own, there was little control on how much people were getting ripped off for their money and the BS crap they had to go through.
As our current economy is proving these days, when you let Capitalism go and take care of itself, everything goes to sh*t, people loose their homes, everybody looses their jobs, all because those who are in the power of capitalism don't give a sh*t about anything else except how much they got in their own pockets, regardless of what happens to everybody else. Socialism is the only way to keep it under control, keep these idiots in check and to make sure everybody in our society isn't being scammed for everything they have by believing in empty promises and thinking these people really know what they are doing and have their best interests at heart..... which they don't.... their job is to make money.... for themselves first, their company second..... and you dead last....
And that's why people have lost their homes, and that is why all these companies went tits up.... and that's why all these people who ran those companies in the ground are perfectly fine sitting in their mansions and their worst worries are if they can make par on the golf field.
Yeah, wonderful system you got there.
Your response to number 1 is a pro-capitalism anti-socialism rant. Kinda torpedos your point.
Maybe you should learn how to read.