Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
Unforgiven, are you being a troll?
Yeah some what, but there is a reason for that.
You think all the guns in Britain came from legal owners, who voluntarily just gave away their guns?
Wrong. They were made in Britain in secret mob factories. They raided one not too long ago.
Oh I would love to hear about that! Post a link or two would you so I can have a read up on it.
I suspect that it's not really how you say it is, as there is probably some gun manufacturer in the loop somewhere.
No different than how pot gets to Island nations where its illegal, grow ops. Organized crime isn't going to give up guns because they can't buy them legally (they didn't before anyways).
Hugely different. Saying that there is no point in making a connection between gun manufacturers and criminals who use guns is ridiculous. At some point someone has to take advantage of the loopholes in the law to supply the guns and make the money.
They just make them. Guns aren't that hard to make, I can make one in your average garage machine shop.
Yet so many that are found on the street after a crime are manufactured by gun companies rather than something home made. Granted plenty are altered from their original configuration. ie Making fully automatic out of semiautomatic and lethally functional guns out of replicas.
In much of the developing world assault rifles are made in tents with basic hand tools.
Ah you mean assembled. Not quite the same as making a gun from the base materials after all. Yeah a case full of gun parts that is put together in a tent is manufacturing now is it?
Add to that in Canada, you don't need "gun nuts" switching guns around. You need someone putting a few in the back of a car and driving across the border.
Yeah I suppose that it's not some gun nut that has gone across the border and talked to a few gun nuts in the US that figured out how to smuggle guns across the border. It's the little old ladies heading to Buffalo on a bingo junket that figures what the hell a couple of Glocks in the trunk and a couple of assault rifles broken down and stuck into the door cavities and no one is going to bother you. We all know that it's not shipped by the crate load from small poorly regulated gun shops in transport trucks hauling junk on a return trip.
Cause that never happens. Sure maybe some gang bangers with the right bling and those gold teef can fool the average border guard into not bothering to look in the car, but it ain't' the gun nuts in Canada working with the gun nuts in the US who feel that everyone should have guns. You know for protection from people with guns.
Was that a little too sarcastic?
Tell you what, tell me how you plan to use the law to keep other dangerous banned susbtances out of Canada, like Cocaine and Heroin, and then we'll just use that method once its been shown you can keep those from being available on every street corner.
Simple. Anyone who has studied the war on drugs, knows that it's the unimaginable profits you can make off pot that makes it worth while. Pull that lynch pin and the whole pyramid falls. It's not free to import coke or heroin. It costs big bucks to get that into the country. And none of it grows here naturally like pot does. So the simple and most effective method of stopping coke, and heroin importation, is the cut the funding from pot. Which is by the way the most widely used illegal drug in North America.
Decriminalization takes all the risk out of the equation. You can grow your own for a few cents if you like. So there is a choice. You can grow your own in your back yard for free or you can buy an ounce for a couple of hundred bucks. There is no special preparation of it when it's finished growing. You cut it down and let it dry. Bob's yer uncle.
So we take the 11 billion dollars out of the hands of organized crime each year and see what happens. No one is going to afford coke and heroin since it will cost thousands per gram. The market for coke and heroin is time in comparison to pot. So there is no getting that short fall made up. Not to mention that most long term users of coke and heroin are addicted to it and some to the point of not being able to support themselves and their drug habit.
Should someone become a pest out in public with pot, the police can still take it away from them and slap them with a fine for a few hundred bucks. Now that is a deterrent.
But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe just about everyone will choose to pay hundreds of dollars for a small amount of pot even though they can just grow it in the yard for nothing. I don't think so, but maybe you're right.
fyi: Sweden does have alot of gun ownership, and a very large problem with Neo-Nazi's. 50 years of socialism doesn't mean the people are hippies, nor that socialists don't like guns.
Hey it's your example not mine. heh heh
I am by and large a pragmatic socialist (with a strong libertarian streak), and I would not support any politician calling for a ban on guns. Thats a rural vs urban issue and rural people tend to be socialists if left to their own devices (thats where the ndp started, rural canada)
That's nice and all. But you see there are people like Colpy here who feel it's a good idea to really crack down on crime, like smoking a joint in your back yard when you are about to mow the lawn. And the scourge of trafficking, like your neighbor across the street who sells you a quarter ounce out of the ounce he bought to lower the cost of the weed.
We could work together to addres the real problems but that doesn't ssem to be on the radar for some people. So you come for me, I'll come for you and one of us can be happy with the outcome.
So if people who have no problem with guns guns guns coming up from the States wants to see me go down, then I figure that those people need to go down first. ****'em I say. Smoking a bowl of pot never killed anyone. Losing a bag of weed never killed anyone, nor has buying the bud off your friend.
Can't be said about the hand gun hobby can it?
There is a divide that's growing between two groups and the way they see North America.
I'm not going to stand around and watch them gather against me. It's not hard to make criminals out of good people to make a political career. It's not difficult to get the fear up so that even normal upstanding people find they are a target for something that isn't the real problem. Nor is it difficult to arrest a segment of the population, call them demons and make it look like you are cleaning up a problem.