Knife crime in Briton

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Knife crime in Briton is getting so bad ,each day we hear of a new death every day now related to knife crime ,it is mainly the young who are doing this ,some youngsters have even gone to the point of wearing stab vest to school,the government have put forward an idea to show victims of knife attacks, that are in hospital as a shock tactic, to the culprits who are caught carrying a knife , i cant see this as working as with ASBOs( Anti Social Behaviour Orders) in this country are worn like a badge of honour, instead of a deterrent this too may lead to a similar trophyism, to the young, i myself feel that if anyone carries a knife without a lawful reason such as a job ,or work related reason, should Carry an automatic 5 year sentence as a deterrent ,but that's just me, what help would you suggest to stop KNIFE CRIME. here in BRITON
 

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Knife crime to replace terror as police priority




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500 knives were seized during Scotland Yard’s Operation Blunt






Adam Fresco, Crime Correspondent


div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited {color:#06c;}Knife crime has overtaken terrorism as the No 1 priority for the Metropolitan Police, one of Britain’s most senior officers said yesterday.
Deputy Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson announced the form-ation of a special knife-crime unit to address the recent spate of fatal stabbings in London as he admitted that moves to stop teenagers carrying weapons were not working.
The unit, featuring specialist officers from across the capital, will target known gang members and their associates who may be carrying or supplying knives. It will also conduct random searches.
Sir Paul’s announcement came after a 16-year-old boy became the eighteenth teenager to die a violent death in the capital this year. There were 26 youth murders in 2007.
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Shakilus Townsend called out for his mother as he lay dying in a street in Thornton Heath, South London, on Thursday. He was ambushed by masked teenage boys who attacked him with a baseball bat and a knife with a 30cm blade. A young girl with the gang watched his murder.
In an attempt to stem the growing number of young deaths, senior police in the capital have been told to divert officers from other tasks to focus on tackling knife crime. Speaking at a Metropolitan Police Association co-ordination and policing committee meeting yesterday, Sir Paul said: “These measures reflect that tackling knife crime is the No 1 priority for the Met at this time.”
Earlier this year, Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, had said that only terrorism posed a greater threat than youth violence to London.
Kit Malthouse, Deputy Mayor for Policing, said he was extremely pleased that the police were focusing on the issue. In May the Metropolitan Police launched Operation Blunt 2, a high-profile initiative to tackle knife crime that involved taking airport-style metal detectors and using special powers to search youths for knives within high-risk areas.
Since then 27,000 people have been searched, 1,200 arrested and 500 knives seized. Of those arrested, 95 per cent have since been charged with weapons offences.
Last Sunday Ben Kinsella, 16, died after being stabbed “numerous times” having apparently become caught up in an argument that spilt out of a pub in Islington, North London. His death prompted family and friends to stage a demonstration, urging young people to shun the knife culture.
Sir Paul said: “Sadly, in recent days, more young people have lost their lives to knife crime. This is not tolerable and clearly the message is not getting through.”
The dedicated 75-strong task force will be made up of officers from the Territorial Support Group, traffic and dog sections and specialist detectives.Cindy Butts, deputy chair of the Metropolitan Police Authority, welcomed the initiative. “It would be wholly wrong if the Met had not responded to the further dreadful murders that have happened this week,” she said.
Police have tried several approaches to reach out to youngsters involved in knife crime: persuasion, coercion and even shock tactics. In May, Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, announced a £5 million package to tackle violent crime, with action to crack down on knives in hotspots across Britain. Every initiative has failed to stop the stabbings in the capital.
Ministers, the Mayor of London and senior policemen have all made it clear that they need the help of communities in London if they are to have greater success. Yesterday, Sir Paul again appealed for help.
“Everyone is being affected by what is going on and we all have to work together to get the message across that carrying knives has got to stop,” he said. “We need to broadcast the message quite simply: if you carry a knife, you are likely to be caught, you will be charged and you will be likely to go to prison.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4269818.ece
 

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Geez, I guess the handgun ban is working really, really well, Huh?

(sarcasm alert)

Knife crime has overtaken gun crime
Gun crime

Gun-related crime kills, maims and intimidates, and is frequently linked to gang activity and the illegal drugs trade in the UK. We are committed to tackling gun crime to ensure the safety and security of all British citizens.
A snapshot of gun crime

Contrary to public perception, the overall level of gun crime in England and Wales is very low – less than 0.5% of all crime recorded by the police.
Facts & figures

  • <LI minmax_bound="true">The number of overall offences involving firearms fell by 13% in 2006/07 compared to the previous year. <LI minmax_bound="true">Firearms were involved in 566 serious or fatal injuries in 2006/07, compared to 645 the previous year - a drop of 12%. <LI minmax_bound="true">The number of armed robberies involving guns dropped by 3% <LI minmax_bound="true">There were 13% fewer serious and fatal injuries related to gun crimes in 2006/07. <LI minmax_bound="true">The number of reported crimes involving imitation guns dropped by 15% in 2006/07.
  • The number of reported crimes involving air guns dropped by 15% in 2006/07 over 2005/06.
(Source: Crime in England and Wales 2006/07; Homicide, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2006-07.)

What we’re doing about gun crime

Strengthening the law

We have:
  • <LI minmax_bound="true">introduced a minimum five-year sentence for people convicted of possessing an illegal firearm <LI minmax_bound="true">made it an offence to possess an air weapon or imitation firearm in public without legal authority or reasonable excuse <LI minmax_bound="true">increased the age limit for possession of air rifles to 17
  • prohibited certain air weapons that are easily converted to fire live ammunition
The Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006:
  • <LI minmax_bound="true">targets imitation firearms – by making it illegal to manufacture or sell imitation firearms that could be mistaken for real firearms, strengthening sentences for carrying imitation firearms, and creating tougher manufacturing standards so imitations can’t be converted to fire real ammunition
  • reduces illegal use of air weapons – by increasing the age limit for buying or firing air weapons without supervision
Targeting illegal firearm supplies

We’re cutting off the supply of firearms into the country by tightening security on import routes and international mail, and monitoring online firearm suppliers.
Tackling the rise in gun culture

We established the Connected (new window) programme to support local community groups in their fight against gun crime.
What you can do about gun crime

Concerned about gun crime? Here’s what you can do:
  • <LI minmax_bound="true">if you see people using or carrying illegal firearms, report it immediately to the police, or to CrimeStoppers (new window)
  • visit the Connected (new window) website to find out how you can get involved in community projects to fight gun crime
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/gun-crime/
 

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Any kind of assault with any type of weapon is serious......

But what counts is the overall murder rate, not what weapons are available.

I was reading in Saturday's globe and Mail that in parts of Glascow the life expectancy of the males residents is 54 years.

That is unbelievable..........
 

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Any kind of assault with any type of weapon is serious......

But what counts is the overall murder rate, not what weapons are available.

I was reading in Saturday's globe and Mail that in parts of Glascow the life expectancy of the males residents is 54 years.

That is unbelievable..........

YEA but colpy about two days ago 5 people died in the capital over knife crime alone,things are really bad over here with our youth over this they see it on TV, and emulate what they see ,before i think your right in Glasgow and Scotland it was a lot worse, but up there things have always been rough to a certain extent ,but this is becoming a nation wide agenda now, serious enough for the government to start to click there heels about it ,the police have more powers now...! Then ever before, but this is not going to stop the young from continuing, as they have no regard for the law only gang culture,or what there m8s think act like, or do...!
 

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Yes, I know it's about knives.....Remove all sharp knives from every household.....sarcasm...

Thanks I'm sure the parents of there dead children appreciate that help....there's a time and place for sarcasm, and this ain't it I'm trying to discuss how something can be done to prevent further deaths of this nature, or what sensible ideas could be used to prevent further atrocity's like this.....:-(
 

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YEA but colpy about two days ago 5 people died in the capital over knife crime alone,things are really bad over here with our youth over this they see it on TV, and emulate what they see ,before i think your right in Glasgow and Scotland it was a lot worse, but up there things have always been rough to a certain extent ,but this is becoming a nation wide agenda now, serious enough for the government to start to click there heels about it ,the police have more powers now...! Then ever before, but this is not going to stop the young from continuing, as they have no regard for the law only gang culture,or what there m8s think act like, or do...!

I agree
 

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Can you suggest anything that would prevent our youth for behaving like, this apart from the obvious boot camp ideas put forwards by certain elderly people of this country, or the pathetic attempts at shock treatment by our governments .This can not continue as it well escalate into mayhem, before we know what the F---k is going on ,i myself when visiting a friend in the capital ,have in the back of my mind this threat of knife violence ,and I'm 45 and used to a bit of trouble ,and can Handel myself but this still worries me ,i dread to think how the older genaration feel just going to the shops for a pint of milk.....:?:
 

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Thanks I'm sure the parents of there dead children appreciate that help....there's a time and place for sarcasm, and this ain't it I'm trying to discuss how something can be done to prevent further deaths of this nature, or what sensible ideas could be used to prevent further atrocity's like this.....:-(
I am sorry for the parents, but it is impossible to control the youth, you can however make a small dent by educating them on the dangers that they pose to society if they act in a violent manner...it is not just knives...just this week 2 people were killed after being ran off the road by some thugs in Vancouver....they have been jumping people as they get off the skytrains...how do we fight back...try to protect yourself, take Karate...write your MP and have the laws made more stringent when it comes to youth...make them go to hard knox schools...and place offenders on probation for longer periods of time. There isn't any one sensible idea...as long as there are youth there will be bad apples within them same as adults!
 

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Knives dont kill people .
People kill people.
You cannot solve this problem.
From what my sources tell me the social structure in the UK is collapsing.
Broken families.
Overpopulation.
An esteem shredding class system.
promisquity.
Binge alcoholism.
Nihilism/ hypermaterialism
Rave culture and the neuron killing drugs that go with it
Too much fatty food
Cocaine-highest rate in the EU
disrespect for authority
I read somewhere that over 50% of the people in the UK want to leave.
The problem is much deeper than knives
Its all part of post colonial decline
The nation has lost its purpose and the propagandists are having a harder time
deluding anyone.
i believe the Uk will slip down to the level of a backwater.
The proximate cause ----the waste of ww2.

This can all be traced back to one fatal error.

The tacit support the UK --and all of those it convinced--to support The fascists ie franco mussolini and hitler in the
spanish civil war.

If Hitler and Mussolini had been taken on in 1936 instead of 1939.
The UK --and its allies would have easily won with 1/100 the casualities
and they would have retained much of their empire--or influence.
Europe would be united with them at the helm instead of at the periphery

After much study I have to conclude that this was THE single most costly error for the UK.

The error is now being repeated by america.

The differance is that fascism could have logistically been defeated so the sooner the better
However-Islam not only cannot be defeated --it isn't even the real issue.

To come full circle there is a spooky similarity between the young alienated knive weilding thug and the
young alienated jihadist.
Their minds have been invaded by the violence virus--one deludes himself about a higher purpose--
the other doesn't even bother
 

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Knives dont kill people .
People kill people.
You cannot solve this problem.
From what my sources tell me the social structure in the UK is collapsing.
Broken families.
Overpopulation.
An esteem shredding class system.
promisquity.
Binge alcoholism.
Nihilism/ hypermaterialism
Rave culture and the neuron killing drugs that go with it
Too much fatty food
Cocaine-highest rate in the EU
disrespect for authority
I read somewhere that over 50% of the people in the UK want to leave.
The problem is much deeper than knives
Its all part of post colonial decline
The nation has lost its purpose and the propagandists are having a harder time
deluding anyone.
i believe the Uk will slip down to the level of a backwater.
The proximate cause ----the waste of ww2.

This can all be traced back to one fatal error.

The tacit support the UK --and all of those it convinced--to support The fascists ie franco mussolini and hitler in the
spanish civil war.

If Hitler and Mussolini had been taken on in 1936 instead of 1939.
The UK --and its allies would have easily won with 1/100 the casualities
and they would have retained much of their empire--or influence.
Europe would be united with them at the helm instead of at the periphery

After much study I have to conclude that this was THE single most costly error for the UK.

The error is now being repeated by america.

The differance is that fascism could have logistically been defeated so the sooner the better
However-Islam not only cannot be defeated --it isn't even the real issue.

To come full circle there is a spooky similarity between the young alienated knive weilding thug and the
young alienated jihadist.
Their minds have been invaded by the violence virus--one deludes himself about a higher purpose--
the other doesn't even bother

I don't think you can say that, the young have no real life role models any more ,or anyone that they can emulate, to say that it is because of the ww2 is such a sweeping statement. You could say if Germany had won we would be in a better position now, as Germany is now better in stability and growth then we,no this is not the cause, this is the cause of the of parents and schools not being able to instill discipline in the early years of there growth, due to the liberal views that society has taken, such as you are no longer allowed to discipline your own siblings in the home, and they receive no discipline in schools either ,the only way any discipline is given to them is through the police, who you hardly ever see on the streets, and if you do there driving around in there cars, instead of walking a beat, although i do not agree with overzealous discipline ,ans that caution should be be used some discipline should be used...!!! (quote from the bible Proverbs 13:24
He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.)
 
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I don't think you can say that, the young have no real life role models any more ,or anyone that they can emulate, to say that it is because of the ww2 is such a sweeping statement. You could say if Germany had won we would be in a better position now, as Germany is now better in stability and growth then we,no this is not the cause, this is the cause of the of parents and schools not being able to instill discipline in the early years of there growth, due to the liberal views that society has taken, such as you are no longer allowed to discipline your own siblings in the home, and they receive no discipline in schools either ,the only way any discipline is given to them is through the police, who you hardly ever see on the streets, and if you do there driving around in there cars, instead of walking a beat, orthough i do not agree with over zelous discipline ,ans that custion should be be used some disipline should be used...!!! (quote from the bible Proverbs 13:24
He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.)

Quandry, I'm agreeing with you far too often.....I'll have to start reading the Tower Collapse threads again. :)

you are dead on here.
 

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Quandry, I'm agreeing with you far too often.....I'll have to start reading the Tower Collapse threads again. :)

you are dead on here.

thanks colpy maybe we were both a little Hasty in or thoughts on one another, :lol: at first ,Ive also checked the spelling in my last post so that it now reads correctly, there is a block on the old thread, and Ive tried to start a new one that's in the cage ,cndbear does not want to put his comments about what happened in this new thread as he says he has already said it before, Ive given him the chance to put his case forwards but apart from abuse i have been getting now where .Istill believe it to be an inside job, but rather then talk about it here, i will continue in the thread why the towers fell #2,thanks for your respect of my views on this issues in this thread
 

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Along with banning knives,the umbrella and the cricket bat must be banned also.

Not very help full are you,i hope that you consider the poor people who's lives have been devastated by these youth gangs, and try to be a little more sympathetic to the growing problem, i can understand you trying to interject a little humor into this ,but i feel that it not warranted thank you.:-|
 

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Not very help full are you,i hope that you consider the poor people who's lives have been devastated by these youth gangs, and try to be a little more sympathetic to the growing problem, i can understand you trying to interject a little humor into this ,but i feel that it not warranted thank you.:-|

The point is that you can't run around banning everything...it is the people who are doing the manipulating of the weapon, not the weapon....I don't think it was meant to be humourus.