The 3rd World Country.

The 3rd World Country.

china

#1Mar 24th, 2008

Cellphone users grow record 9.46 million in Feb.

(Xinhua)
Updated: 2008-03-24 21:26

BEIJING -- The number of China's mobile phone subscribers in February grew by a record 9.46 million from the previous month, powered by reduced handset prices and user charges, the Ministry of Information Industry said on Monday.
China had 565 million mobile phone users by the end of last month, up from 556 million in January and 547 million in December, the ministry said in a statement.
The number of fixed-line subscribers fell 3.26 million in the first two months to 362 million by the end of February. The figure has decreased for seventh months in a row, according to the ministry data.
China's two wireless operators signed up a total of 86.2 million new subscribers last year, with 68.1 million attributed to China Mobile.
The nation's top wireless operator said in its annual report last Wednesday that half of the new subscribers were from the countryside, which had "become a key source of new subscribers and an important impetus behind revenue growth."
China was expected to have more than 600 million mobile phone subscribers by 2010, about 46 percent of its population, according to the government.

McCaulley

Re: The 3rd World Country.

Mar 24th, 2008

Yes, i must say China is growing very fast and i commend you for this, your economy is growing faster than any in the history of the World

Scott Free

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Mar 24th, 2008

So communism won?

Lester

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Mar 25th, 2008

Not much communist about china these days, I think it's more of a mixed Economy.

Scott Free

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Lester

Not much communist about china these days, I think it's more of a mixed Economy.

It has a one party system though and that is communism whatever economic system they use is irrelevant. Their politics are communist.

Tonington

Re: The 3rd World Country.

Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free

It has a one party system though and that is communism whatever economic system they use is irrelevant. Their politics are communist.

It's not really irrelevant. You can't divorce economics from communism, as it is a socio-economic system. There are areas in China called Special Economic Zones, where market economics are pursued, free from centralization. That's not Marxist at all. That's what makes China a mixed bag.

Lester

time

Mar 25th, 2008

[quote=Scott Free;937981]It has a one party system though and that is communism whatever economic system they use is irrelevant. Communism is a form of social economics where everything is owned by the state, this is not the case in China where there are thousands of privately owned businesses regulated by the state.

china

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Mar 25th, 2008

For all of you who have not bin to China ....there is more capitalism in a smallest Chinese village than there is in all of Canada .

Scott Free ,

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Their politics are communist.

What and how do you know Communism .? Do you know what communism is .
What and how much do you know about the Chinese politics ?

Last edited by china; Mar 25th, 2008 at 02:25 AM..

Scott Free

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Mar 25th, 2008

Hmmmmm sounds like sour grapes to me.

Communism won the cold war: Democracy is the IMF favorite because of its corruptibility. The USA is nearly bankrupt and has adopted a one party system with two factions - corporatism (Chomsky).

It doesn't matter to me. I don't care for either system nor government in general. I'm unbiased in this regard.

Why not communism? Why do I care which @$$holes run things? (rhetorical)

mrgrumpy

#10

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by china

For all of you who have not bin to China ....there is more capitalism in a smallest Chinese village than there is in all of Canada .

Scott Free ,

What and how do you know Communism .? Do you know what communism is .
What and how much do you know about the Chinese politics ?

Capitalism and cell phones, eh?

China's human rights record is appallling. Wanna talk about that?

Scott Free

#11

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by mrgrumpy

Capitalism and cell phones, eh?

China's human rights record is appallling. Wanna talk about that?

Sure, lets compare it to the USA killing 1 million people and displacing 2 million more or compare it with the number of wars caused by China v.s. "democracies" since the inception of the nation state?

Or were you thinking in the typical North American narcissistic approach where we only consider how a country treats its own citizenry in accordance with our own notions of "freedom" and "law"?

Damn! North Americans are so brainwashed.

mrgrumpy

#12

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free

Sure, lets compare it to the USA killing 1 million people and displacing 2 million more or compare it with the number of wars caused by China v.s. "democracies" since the inception of the nation state?

Or were you thinking in the typical North American narcissistic approach where we only consider how a country treats its own citizenry in accordance with our own notions of "freedom" and "law"?

Damn! North Americans are so brainwashed.

I was certainly nowhere suggesting that the American's track record was to be held up as a comparative standard in terms of respecting human rights; I was thinking of the document on my office wall - The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the UN, and drafted by a Canadian. (that document means more to me than all the 'holy books' ever written).

china

#13

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Mar 25th, 2008

I was born in Poland in 1950 ,lived there for 13 ys., Poland a Russian alley ,communism in its fullest.
Immigrated to Canada in 1964 ,what a beautiful country ; people thinking for them self ,living for them self. Until 1968 ;it happened, Canada elected the Liberal idiot , Trudeau .Since that time all good things in Canada changed.
Had enough of the liberals running my beautiful country ,moved to China in 2002
China communist ....? Perhaps long time ago ,a long time .Personally in China ,I have more opportunities to do what I (not the gov.)I want to do .In Canada it was the other way around ( in Canada I was self employed with 8 people working for me-taxes and taxes) ..Do you know the feeling when you live in a place which has no vision of its own , it's stagnating , dead .....?Well I left that feeling in Canada .
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China's human rights record is appallling. Wanna talk about that?

Yes I do .Worn you though ,don't think you know the meaning of the word "appalling" .

Last edited by china; Mar 25th, 2008 at 05:46 PM..

MikeyDB

#14

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Mar 25th, 2008

I agree with China's proposition that more "capitalism" exists in a small Chinese village than all of Canada. The 'producer' of a good or service barters sells or trades those goods "in the neighborhood", the overarching "socio-economic" constructs of "socialism" and "capitalism" provide a means whereby the distribution of goods and services is broadened and in many cases ruined.

DurkaDurka

#15

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by china

For all of you who have not bin to China ....there is more capitalism in a smallest Chinese village than there is in all of Canada .

Care to elaborate on that grand statement?

darkbeaver

#16

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Mar 25th, 2008

[quote=china;938015]I was born in Poland in 1950 ,lived there for 13 ys., Poland a Russian alley ,communism in its fullest.
Immigrated to Canada in 1964 ,what a beautiful country ; people thinking for them self ,living for them self. Until 1968 ;it happened, Canada elected the Liberal idiot , Trudeau .Since that time all good things in Canada changed.
Had enough of the liberals running my beautiful country ,moved to China in 2002
China communist ....? Perhaps long time ago ,a long time .Personally in China ,I have more opportunities to do what I (not the gov.)I want to do .In Canada it was the other way around ( in Canada I was self employed with 8 people working for me) ..Do you know the feeling when you live in a place which has no vision of its own , it's stagnating , dead .....?Well I left that feeling in Canada .

I noticed the lack of vision and the stagnation you've mentioned. For me it happened under Mulroonty though not that the politician makes a difference that's just the era when I became generally aware of the move away from what I thought this country was. I have stayed in Canada, even tried to change the system but nothing I did or we did slowed the drift to the dismal situation of today. Right now Canada is run under the one party of corporatism, everything is for sale everything must be privitized everything must be put on a shelf for a price. The free market rules, but it's not free and it's not a market, it's a consumption machine with centralized production concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. Banking became a fully private thing in Canada arround Trudeau, the man didn't really have a choice though the international bankers rule. All of our politicians obey them or they simply do not hold office.

Avro

#17

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by china

For all of you who have not bin to China ....there is more capitalism in a smallest Chinese village than there is in all of Canada .

Yes, we all saw how great China was when they ran tanks over people in Tiananmen square.

I'm sure the millions living in slums are all enjoying capitalism as we speak.

FREE TIBET!!!!

Scott Free

#18

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by china

I was born in Poland in 1950 ,lived there for 13 ys., Poland a Russian alley ,communism in its fullest.
Immigrated to Canada in 1964 ,what a beautiful country ; people thinking for them self ,living for them self. Until 1968 ;it happened, Canada elected the Liberal idiot , Trudeau .Since that time all good things in Canada changed.
Had enough of the liberals running my beautiful country ,moved to China in 2002
China communist ....? Perhaps long time ago ,a long time .Personally in China ,I have more opportunities to do what I (not the gov.)I want to do .In Canada it was the other way around ( in Canada I was self employed with 8 people working for me) ..Do you know the feeling when you live in a place which has no vision of its own , it's stagnating , dead .....?Well I left that feeling in Canada .
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Yes I do .Worn you though ,don't think you know the meaning of the word "appalling" .

While I have never been to China I have a friend that lives there and another that travels there a lot and what they say mirrors your sentiment. They say that China is far more free than Canada and we all walk around as if in a fog screaming hypocritical insanities.

I think it is pointless trying to convince North Americans of anything. It is firmly etched in their brains that we are the best of the worst and though all the evidence points to the incorrectness of that ideal, somehow people can't shake it off. They are firmly held in a deep coma.

I don't understand why. I think it has got to do with television.

Anyway, we are dying civilizations occupied with zombie masses that can't think their way out of paper bags. Soon we will be over run by immigrants because we are too selfish to even procreate and perhaps they will be able to bring direction and clarity to this waste land.

Scott Free

#19

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Yes, we all saw how great China was when they ran tanks over people in Tiananmen square.

I'm sure the millions living in slums are all enjoying capitalism as we speak.

FREE TIBET!!!!

Speaking of screaming hypocritical insanities

china

#20

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Mar 25th, 2008

Scott Free ,

Quote:

They say that China is far more free than Canada and we all walk around as if in a fog screaming hypocritical insanities.

I say it also .

mrgrumpy

#21

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Mar 25th, 2008

Tibet, Darfur, Tiannamen Square...who among us can say where the appalling offences start, or end?

mrgrumpy

#22

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Mar 25th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by china

Scott Free ,

I say it also .

I say we are among the freest people on earth and we don't walk around inhaling life shortening smog .

china

#23

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Mar 25th, 2008

mrgrumpy ,

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I say we are among the freest people on earth and we don't walk around inhaling life shortening smog .

Yeap , and you are free to say that .On the other hand I can show you many citizens of Canada and US who will strongly disagree with you mrgrumpy .

Anyhow mrgumpy ,what is freedom ?.......does it matter where you are ....Canada , China , Us to be free ?
Is there such a thing as to be' freest ' or not freest ..or not free at all think abut it , so if you come to some conclusion ( and I hope you don't) tell me about it

Quote:

Scott Free ,

Quote: They say that China is far more free than Canada and we all walk around as if in a fog screaming hypocritical insanities.

I say it also

.

What I meant to say was ..."it appears so"--which obviously is not the actual .

Last edited by china; Mar 26th, 2008 at 01:26 AM..

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