Being a man

Quote: Originally Posted by s_loneView Post

I definately agree that we should first define people by what they possess, not by what they lack.

Where I see a problem is when a lack of 'manliness' is seen as a problem in a man, but a non-issue with a woman. A man is expected to be 'manly', but a woman isn't. Yet, most people seem to agree that the qualities described by the word 'manliness' are universal and transcend gender...

If ''manliness'' is a desirable quality for all human beings, why use a word that refers to the male sex to describe it?

I wouldn't see it as sexist if there was a positive 'womanliness' that both men and women can have but there doesn't seem to be any...

That we lack the language to describe perfectly the state, is a reflection of our position within it. As Karrie pointed out, there are aspects of traditional femininity that many men now accept as their own.

Perhaps it's just a step in the evolution from manly to humanly as our species takes on a wider spectrum of roles in productivity. We're adapters and to find a solution to fit a need like becoming nurturers, for example, is simply the process at work.

The exact same thing can be seen within the feminine gender of our species, in taking on the traditional male aspects that make for a successful, for example, predator. A quality that assists in turning desires into instincts that are beneficial in competition.

So I think we can see it in both genders if we care to look objectively, and though we rely on the traditional language to describe the changes in our world, it's apparent that new words are added to that lexicon while others drop off due to lack of use or becoming less descriptive than a new word or another word.

Manliness is a state of transition within the evolution of our species?
Manliness is a condition defined by the culture of a population. Some cultures have moved more to the middle so to speak in regards to the qualitative aspects of gender, while others have remained polarized.
It's doing manly things the manly way I always ask myself "what would John Wayne do in a situation like this" and act accordingly.
John Wayne? Isn't that a little sissy? Shouldn't you be modeling your behavior after Chuck Norris?

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Unforgiven I know some women with those Characteristics But I call them Ladies!!
karrie who is Chuck Norris?
Why doesn't Chuck Norris have any hair on his balls?

Because hair doesn't grow on steel.
And there's me thinking cos he might be snookered.
Chuck Norris is an American action movie star.
Karrie is he the guy with the stetson and cowboy boots, who tends to kick anything and everybody in sight
Quote: Originally Posted by s_loneView Post

Why doesn't Chuck Norris have any hair on his balls?

Because hair doesn't grow on steel.

And not to mention that for some men, one testicle might be a slightly larger size. But for Chuck Norris, they're each bigger than the other.
Quote: Originally Posted by boilerView Post

Karrie is he the guy with the stetson and cowboy boots, who tends to kick anything and everybody in sight

That could be a couple guys... but you can Google him and see if it's who you're thinking
Oh karrie please say yes (and be mine)
ummm.... no?
It seems, from reading posts, to explain 'manliness' could be many things, as it is a
matter of opinion, and not an exact product.

I don't 'like' men to show any signs of feminity at all, don't like skinny guys, physically weak
guys, or guys who 'like too much', the traditional women's role.

But, kindness, thoughtfullness, lovingness, etc., is not feminine, it is human.

Theres all kinds of manliness, it is in the eyes of beholder.
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Quote: Originally Posted by boilerView Post

Unforgiven I know some women with those Characteristics But I call them Ladies!!

Would it change anything if you called them lemons for a week or two?

There are some throw backs that feel change is not going to happen not no how not no way. Change is constant and there is nothing that will ever stop change. So, trying to stick to some out dated idea of what something is regardless of the changes it under goes, indicates either a lack of understanding, or denial of what's evident.
I'm a man and I can change if I have to, I guess.
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I know some women who are 'manlier'... more commanding, stronger, and a better base of support for a family unit... than some of the males I know. I know a few women who are real men.

The poor women... I doubt if any woman ever enjoys being a man...
I believe that being a man, as well as being a woman, basically hasn't changed much since primeval times. Only details change. Being a man means being protective of your family, seeing to that they are safe, well-provided for, that their future is secure. Being the mainstay for his family. Being strong enough to protect, being farsighted enough to make some long-term plans. Being true to his word and reliable. As long as these conditions are observed, it doesn't really matter what he does, if he is a kindergarten teacher, of a ballet dancer, of whatever. And the rest is just personality traits that differ from person to person.
Quote: Originally Posted by s_loneView Post

What does it mean to be a man? I'm talking about the male sex, not about being a human.

We often hear people say ''Come on! Be a man!'' as if being a man is about something very precise. What is manliness beyond having a ***** and more facial hair?

What is manly and what is not? And why is that so?

Can a 'real' man be a kindergarden teacher? Can a real man be a stay-at-home dad while mommy brings back the cash? Can a real man be homosexual?

Absolutely, to the last three questions.

I've done two out of three. .....including teach kindergarten.

Real men face reality, do what needs to be done, and are willing to make sacrifices to better their lives or others, can admit when they are wrong, say what they mean and mean what they say, and don't REALLY care what anybody thinks about it.

And yes, real men have a need to defend those unable to defend themselves.

Me and John Wayne.

And yep, I'm a real man.
lol... so, homosexuality and kindergarten? I love that you left that wide open for us to decide for ourselves which the 'other' was that you did.
Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his own father.

But a side note to Unforgiven:

People who cling to traditional values are not "in denial", they just don't feel the need to be trend setting social butterflies who are able to choose who they want to be regardless of who everyone else expects them to be.
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