Anti-kosher view = Antisemitic?


Pangloss
#31
Of that I have little doubt, Karrie.

Pangloss
 
karrie
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Of that I have little doubt, Karrie.

Pangloss

Oh pish Pangloss.... the longer you're been here, the mushier you're getting. Pretty soon you'll be an all around nice guy. You're just a thawer is all.
 
Zan
#33
Mushy Pangloss. I like it.
 
missile
#34
I didn't understand just why he was complaining so much about the cost. Heck! I'm part Scottish and don't mind paying for the quality of kosher salami,for instance. It costs more to ship it here from Montreal..no rabbis in the area. What i'm trying to say is that he is a cheap anti Semite
 
jimshort19
#35
Karrie, "... this view (Krakra's) is not much different from the views I've heard expressed on here regarding money potentially going to christian churches or organizations in sneaky underhanded ways."

Very interesting. Krakra alleged nothing sneaky or underhanded on the part of the Jews, but you have inferred it, on your own.

This forum is soft on anti-semitism to say the least, providing a soapbox for the likes of Towney and others, a forum to promote anti-semitism. Canadian criminal prosecutors might not win a case against CC for distributing hate propaganda, but CC is in fact distributing hate propaganda. Krakra's is not such a case however.

I don't take anti-semitism lightly, and neither does the law. Why do the moderators of this forum just say yes to anti-semitism, though toleratant of the sneaky underhanded ways of the Jews? The Christians, the men, and the safe and strong can look after their own. What real man whines about male bashing? Why do you compare the way a minority is abused to the way the majority, who are strong, are abused? Don't you get it?
 
karrie
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

Very interesting. Krakra alleged nothing sneaky or underhanded on the part of the Jews, but you have inferred it, on your own.


In response to Durka's comment that it's all clearly labeled....

" clearly ?????

whenthere is a small K,MK,U COR.............. on your food ,how you know that this is a koshered intended for a man represented by a rabbin who certified his food.
there is over 400 organisations who are allowed to kosher and everyone has its own label."

This was krakra's reply. Don't try to tell me he never made such an assertion.
 
#juan
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

What's a semite?


Main Entry:Sem·ite Pronunciation: \ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt\ Function:noun Etymology:French sémite, from Sem Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek Sēm, from Hebrew ShēmDate:1848 1 a: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b: a descendant of these peoples2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic (external - login to view) language
 
darkbeaver
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

Karrie, "... this view (Krakra's) is not much different from the views I've heard expressed on here regarding money potentially going to christian churches or organizations in sneaky underhanded ways."

Very interesting. Krakra alleged nothing sneaky or underhanded on the part of the Jews, but you have inferred it, on your own.

This forum is soft on anti-semitism to say the least, providing a soapbox for the likes of Towney and others, a forum to promote anti-semitism. Canadian criminal prosecutors might not win a case against CC for distributing hate propaganda, but CC is in fact distributing hate propaganda. Krakra's is not such a case however.

I don't take anti-semitism lightly, and neither does the law. Why do the moderators of this forum just say yes to anti-semitism, though toleratant of the sneaky underhanded ways of the Jews? The Christians, the men, and the safe and strong can look after their own. What real man whines about male bashing? Why do you compare the way a minority is abused to the way the majority, who are strong, are abused? Don't you get it?

If you insist on censorship you would very quickly fall victim to it. Who will determine what is and what is not anti-semitic when even a simple exploration of the meaning and origin of the word semitic can and is regularly painted as anti-semitism. Now if I were to call an orange an apple there would be no hesitation whatever in the members of this forum correcting me with vigourous assaults on my credentials and intelligence but when a long standing practice of misuse of the word semitic is discussed it's commonly considered the apex of discrimination and racism incarnate when in fact it's nothing more than an attempt to get the facts straight without any malice intended or otherwise. Why do we commonly apply the term incorrectly?
When and where did it's common useage begin? Why has it never been corrected?
Those are valid questions that rise from the simple misappropriation of a six letter word that has had and continues to have bearing on very important human relations.
In fact as I understand the dictionary meaning it is not correctly applied in the vernacular to either race or religion and it is perfectly within correct use of the word to consider anti-arab and anti-semite as exactly the same thing.
So how is it that we are permitted to call an orange an apple is this case alone and not be corrected? And before any of you get any ideas of painting me as rascist or Jew hating piece of dirt, I will remind you that I hate indescriminately irregardless of skin colour or religion or race. Jim does not take anti-semitism lightly but he does take a cavalier attitude with the proper meaning of words.
And JimShorts retarded conviction of the laws not taking anti-semitism lightly is laughable we have exterminated in excess of three milliom bonified semites in Iraq despite that vaunted regard for the law which plainly does not exist in fact nor in practice.
 
darkbeaver
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Main Entry:Sem·ite Pronunciation: \ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt\ Function:noun Etymology:French sémite, from Sem Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek Sēm, from Hebrew ShēmDate:1848 1 a: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b: a descendant of these peoples2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic (external - login to view) language


Thankyou Juan, how the hell are ya?
 
jimshort19
#40
DarkBeaver, being an anti-semite doesn't qualify one for anything. If you suppose that your semantical ruse will distract readers from the issues and derail them to your latest lunatic conspiracy theory while dismissing anti-semetism, you may be right, but I'm not biting.
 
Unforgiven
#41
Actually I would say yes it is anti-semitic. But I wonder if anyone has asked Krakra is he has some dislike for Jews as I'm positive that in this case anti-semitic refers to Jews and not anyone else.

The reason is simple, why get upset over one thing of many? Like a hidden tax, it's not that he's bothered by hidden tax at all, just that this particular one, (which isn't really at tax at all but instead a value added service) is attached to Jews or not to put to fine a point on it, the Jewish faith.

A simple remedy is to act as an educated consumer and look at what you buy, and simply refuse to buy something that it Kosher. But instead, He goes out of his way to make a stink about it and refuses to enact the simple remedy for himself.

The reason is suspect in that take the road of higher resistance, indicates the choice to make an extra effort to prove a point. And while he does prove the point, one must question the motive for doing so. Once you set about to do this, Occam's Razor shows the man behind the curtain has an agenda and it's plain to see what it is.

Now that said, it would be simple to wipe that hypothesis away like so much chaff in the wind, by stating a reasonable alternative to that, which there are a number of, yet as far as I see here, that hasn't occurred and so, goes to further affirm the hypothesis.
 
darkbeaver
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

DarkBeaver, being an anti-semite doesn't qualify one for anything. If you suppose that your semantical ruse will distract readers from the issues and derail them to your latest lunatic conspiracy theory while dismissing anti-semetism, you may be right, but I'm not biting.

Anti-semitism is alive and thriving you know it and I know it, what we don't all know is what the hell it really is. Here's something I'll posit for your consideration. The foremost exponents of anti-semitism are in fact Zionists, the strongest mechanism for application of that ideology is Isreal in concert with thier American allies. They and they alone constitute the greatest threat to thier national survival, and they have used every evil learned at the hands of bigots and rascists and murderer in a lesson many generations in the teaching. The real threat to Isreal and Jews and semites is Zionist Isreal who continue unabated to sow the seeds of thier own destruction and ultimately complete the work of thier persecutors who have in reality instructed them in thier own demise. The Genocide conducted on the Palestinian semites is a crime of war sixty years in duration, where we see the ideology of the Nazi applied by it's greatest victim upon innocent helpless men women and children for no other reason than to expand and preserve a rascist state as defined and codified by thier own founding congresses and it's body of law. That is fact, provable verifiable fact, certified by thier own hand.
So don't presume to teach me about descrimination and or rascism or anti-semitism.
 
Nuggler
#43
Thought you said anti-seismic.

I was wondering just what the hell's wrong with that.

No one wants an earthquake.

But now I C.

 
lone wolf
#44
Would there be the same stink if a "union-made" tag put the cost up a few cents?

Woof!
 
jimshort19
#45
Darkbeaver, "The foremost exponents of anti-semitism are in fact Zionists..."

I would never propose to teach you a thing. But your newly invented definition of anti-semitism, though having semantic legitimacy, has no intellectual legitimacy in common use, is virtually revisionist. It is revealing, but I'm not certain of what. You are oddly slippery for a raving lunatic. The most succesful sociopaths know how to act perfectly normal, but you are downright harmless.

What do you really think of the Jews? How did they figure in the World Trade Centre collapse, the price of oil, the Iraq and Afghan and African wars, the decline of the American empire, the end of freedom in Canada, the farming of the western intellect to serve the gnomes of Zurich and NASA's mothballing of DSCOVER? Now hit that macro and dump 500 words of abusive n onsense on me. I've been hurt before. But how do they find me?
 
darkbeaver
#46
Just in passing and to demonstrate how unfair it is to single someone out like krakra I'll let you in on the reality of my own postings here, of the 6500 posts I'v provided I'v been allowed to freely and unrestrictly express my hate and loathing for christianity virtually without comment by any but a forgotten few. Think about that when you condemn someone who merely mentions in passing as it were his concerns with kosher foods. Hypocracy is very hard to disern sometimes and we are all quilty of it, me more than most. hahaha christ it's strange to be human
 
jimshort19
#47
Darkbeaver, "...of the 6500 posts I'v provided I'v been allowed to freely and unrestrictly express my hate and loathing for christianity virtually without comment by any but a forgotten few"

The Christians ignore you. Neither do they need defenders. The Christians haven't ever been at risk anywhere on this continent of anything more malignant than their own errors. Don't put the vulnerability of the Jews beside the Christians strength and call for more tolerance of racism. It doesn't scan.
 
darkbeaver
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

Darkbeaver, "The foremost exponents of anti-semitism are in fact Zionists..."

I would never propose to teach you a thing. But your newly invented definition of anti-semitism, though having semantic legitimacy, has no intellectual legitimacy in common use, is virtually revisionist. It is revealing, but I'm not certain of what. You are oddly slippery for a raving lunatic. The most succesful sociopaths know how to act perfectly normal, but you are downright harmless.

What do you really think of the Jews? How did they figure in the World Trade Centre collapse, the price of oil, the Iraq and Afghan and African wars, the decline of the American empire, the end of freedom in Canada, the farming of the western intellect to serve the gnomes of Zurich and NASA's mothballing of DSCOVER? Now hit that macro and dump 500 words of abusive n onsense on me. I've been hurt before. But how do they find me?

What I really think of Jews is that thier idiots to believe in god, what else is there to think about them or any other of the many religious dogmatic lunatics who've made life on this planet a living hell.
Let me help you with your half baked question.What do I really think of Zionists? They exist and control the forth largest military machine on the planet and have infiltrated virtually every power and intelligence structure in the western world including Canada over the last sixty years.If you can defend the policys of Isreal as pertains to it's constant overt and covert militarism and refute anything I'v written in respect to that, please proceed to do so. There is a very interesting seris of essays at the alternative web site called Dissident Voice I'll get the link for you and you can familiarize yourself with Zionism.www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/0...ism-part-10-2/ (external - login to view)

As to hurting JimShort that is not my intention nor has it ever been. If you review our earliest exchanges we I believe conducted ourselves with civility. If there's been any attempt to inflict mortal wounds at all I'm certainly not aware of it. You have in fact given or rather attempted to give, as good as you got.
 
darkbeaver
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

Darkbeaver, "...of the 6500 posts I'v provided I'v been allowed to freely and unrestrictly express my hate and loathing for christianity virtually without comment by any but a forgotten few"

The Christians ignore you. Neither do they need defenders. The Christians haven't ever been at risk anywhere on this continent of anything more malignant than their own errors. Don't put the vulnerability of the Jews beside the Christians strength and call for more tolerance of racism. It doesn't scan.

If that's your position you will do us the service of explaining in full to the best of your ability exactly what you mean. I like one liners but only when they contain some usefull information. I don't have to tolerate any religion whatever. Or will you defend the well malinged practice of Vodoo with the same righteous fervor that you have for the others.
 
jimshort19
#50
Hey Db, I went to learn at your 'alternative' website.

DB's educational website, the exactly first paragraph of the excact link:

"One of the most risible things about Zionists, supremacist, racists, imperialists, and colonialists is when they rise to their own defense. One such example is of President George W. Bush who declared the United States not a “torturer nation,” while his occupation force has been actively engaging in torturing and killing hundred of thousands of Iraqis since the first day it invaded Iraq; the other, when Condoleezza Rice compared the imperialist takeover of Iraq to the “American Civil War.”

If this is a fair view of America or Israel, rather than another deluded leftist rant, then let me agree to call it 'alternative', along with moon-landing denial.
 
Lester
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

Actually I would say yes it is anti-semitic. But I wonder if anyone has asked Krakra is he has some dislike for Jews as I'm positive that in this case anti-semitic refers to Jews and not anyone else.
The reason is simple, why get upset over one thing of many? Like a hidden tax, it's not that he's bothered by hidden tax at all, just that this particular one, (which isn't really at tax at all but instead a value added service) is attached to Jews or not to put to fine a point on it, the Jewish faith.
A simple remedy is to act as an educated consumer and look at what you buy, and simply refuse to buy something that it Kosher. But instead, He goes out of his way to make a stink about it and refuses to enact the simple remedy for himself.
The reason is suspect in that take the road of higher resistance, indicates the choice to make an extra effort to prove a point. And while he does prove the point, one must question the motive for doing so. Once you set about to do this, Occam's Razor shows the man behind the curtain has an agenda and it's plain to see what it is.
Now that said, it would be simple to wipe that hypothesis away like so much chaff in the wind, by stating a reasonable alternative to that, which there are a number of, yet as far as I see here, that hasn't occurred and so, goes to further affirm the hypothesis.

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Excellent post, Youv'e cut through all the 39 cent words and gotten to the point, but could you enlighten me as to the reasonable alternatives? that are clear to you but have so far eluded me.
 
Unforgiven
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by LesterView Post

Excellent post, Youv'e cut through all the 39 cent words and gotten to the point, but could you enlighten me as to the reasonable alternatives? that are clear to you but have so far eluded me.

That's the beauty of a free market place. A need is never left unfulfilled. There are alternative to Kosher foods though it's up to the consumer to seek them out. From store to store and chain to chain, even to the point of special ordering specifics to get what you want. Now you can say that it's not fair that you have to pay extra for something that isn't Kosher, but then no one said you can have what you want at a reasonable price regardless of demand.

Best of all, should you find that there is a dire need for some product that is difficult to acquire, you can turn a nice little profit from making that available to other conscientious consumers. So you see there are always alternative in a free market place.
 
jimshort19
#53
Lester, "Excellent post, Youv'e cut through all the 39 cent words and gotten to the point, but could you enlighten me as to the reasonable alternatives? that are clear to you but have so far eluded me."

Unforgiven's hypothesis cannot be clearly identified. I think that he's looking for more palletable alternatives to racism.

Exactly how can we dismiss this racism? Error by virtue of cultural background, and therefore cultural error, and therefor a free ticket to ride - perversely in the name of tolerance.

Now we are having our own progressive weapons, somethimes blunt, used against us.

Let's say we've got six other phony alternatives. Lester yYou're fishing to nail this guy but he's slippery or he doesn't know. You know that if he did, he would have written it down. But Unforgiven is not slippery in my short experience, so he just doesn't have any acceptable alternative, exactly as he claimed, he just wants to avoid racism and that's all.

But we can't avoid it can we? It's in our face right now whether Unforgiven will accept it only as a last resort of reason or not. So what can we do, but protest as you do Lester, and Unforgiven, in your unassuming ways? So kind - why does it feel like I'm giving you a rough time while I'm agreeing with you?
 
jimshort19
#54
Unforgiven, "There are alternative to Kosher foods..."

Well, Unforgiven has hit the nail on the head, and the nail is me. How did I miss the profundity of the hypothesis? I'm sucg a chump.

It was established by some other esteemed intellectual on this thread a very long time ago that there are alternatives to kosher food.

We've moved on, but whewdehewawee?
 
darkbeaver
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by UnforgivenView Post

That's the beauty of a free market place. A need is never left unfulfilled. There are alternative to Kosher foods though it's up to the consumer to seek them out. From store to store and chain to chain, even to the point of special ordering specifics to get what you want. Now you can say that it's not fair that you have to pay extra for something that isn't Kosher, but then no one said you can have what you want at a reasonable price regardless of demand.

Best of all, should you find that there is a dire need for some product that is difficult to acquire, you can turn a nice little profit from making that available to other conscientious consumers. So you see there are always alternative in a free market place.

No such thing as a free market exists, if one does give me the address I'd love to shop there.
 
Lester
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

Unforgiven, "There are alternative to Kosher foods..."

Well, Unforgiven has hit the nail on the head, and the nail is me. How did I miss the profundity of the hypothesis? I'm sucg a chump.

It was established by some other esteemed intellectual on this thread a very long time ago that there are alternatives to kosher food.

We've moved on, but whewdehewawee?

Unforgiven had not visited the other thread, and so did not know that we have already suggested these remedies- damn and I was prepared to see the light too|
 
karrie
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Just in passing and to demonstrate how unfair it is to single someone out like krakra I'll let you in on the reality of my own postings here, of the 6500 posts I'v provided I'v been allowed to freely and unrestrictly express my hate and loathing for christianity virtually without comment by any but a forgotten few. Think about that when you condemn someone who merely mentions in passing as it were his concerns with kosher foods. Hypocracy is very hard to disern sometimes and we are all quilty of it, me more than most. hahaha christ it's strange to be human

Exactly part of my point.

Man the hatred and vile things I've heard spewed forth about my religion over money possibly going to support 'molestation and subjugation'. The rude and ignorant comments about how we shouldn't be allowed to raise our children Christian. Add the word jewish to the rants about how the religious make unfit parents, and the conversation would abruptly halt, as now it is hate speak, right?
 
darkbeaver
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by jimshort19View Post

Hey Db, I went to learn at your 'alternative' website.

DB's educational website, the exactly first paragraph of the excact link:

"One of the most risible things about Zionists, supremacist, racists, imperialists, and colonialists is when they rise to their own defense. One such example is of President George W. Bush who declared the United States not a “torturer nation,” while his occupation force has been actively engaging in torturing and killing hundred of thousands of Iraqis since the first day it invaded Iraq; the other, when Condoleezza Rice compared the imperialist takeover of Iraq to the “American Civil War.”

If this is a fair view of America or Israel, rather than another deluded leftist rant, then let me agree to call it 'alternative', along with moon-landing denial.

I have a confession to make Jim, when you first posted here I thought perhaps you would use your language skills to enter into real discussion, I was wrong, while I don't mind an inventive troll you sir are the most unskilled of that lot I can remember encountering here. I have wasted in total perhaps twenty minutes of my very expensive time in an effort to get some responce from you other than boring empty capitalist rhetoric. However all is not lost, if in fact you are or have been at a helm of a capitalist vessel socialism owes you a heartfelt salute.
Boring above all else marks your contributions and that being the case I decline to waste another minute with you today.
 
jimshort19
#59
Karrie, "Man the hatred and vile things I've heard spewed forth about my religion over money possibly going to support 'molestation and subjugation'. The rude and ignorant comments about how we shouldn't be allowed to raise our children Christian. Add the word jewish to the rants

Wow. Somebody finally pushed your hot button and it was not I. Yes karrie, there really is a Satan Clause, but I'm not that fundamentalist, I am way more fundamentalist. And we're talkin' about fundamentals. You know my opinion, and my criticism of you tolerance, but this response you have allied with religion, and I'd rather you had not. Again, why do i feel like I'm giving you a rough time while I'm agreeing with you.

Oh, by the way, and religion to hell, jesus of nazareth made me a Jew, and not a Christian. At least I boast my heart is circumcised, like a million liars. What's with that?
 
Lester
#60
I am for the most part an agnostic, I don't agree with any religion especially not organized religion - but in this Country that is my right - what is not my right is to promote hatred against any religious Group or race of People - I'll give you credit Dark Beaver for at least having the Kahunas to come right out and say that you hate Christians and then debate it.
But Krackra doesn'nt do that- He just uses Insidious inuendos.
 

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