Books That Should Be Banned In Schools

Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I'd say that changes from kid to kid Unf.

Explain please.
Some kids are born wonderfully critical thinkers. It won't matter where they get their info from, who it's from, what it says.... they'll be able to assimilate and decide for themselves if it's worthwhile information or not, and how it applies to their life, etc. I'd say that for kids like that it's not 'important' to have someone around to answer questions for them. It's still probably a good bonus.

Whereas some kids are freaking morons and take anything written in a book to be the entire truth.

So, your questions of whether or not it's important to have someone around who knows the material and can discuss questions, varies from person to person. If you were to ask though, if it's important for an institution to have someone around to answer kids' questions, I'd say heck yeah, because the kids who don't think critically, in my experience, vastly outnumber those who do. Thus my issue with allowing any and every book in a school library.
Well, do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real? And in the present tense?
Quote: Originally Posted by VereyaView Post

I'd ban all the books by Dostoevsky, each and every one of them. Very harmful reading, in my opinion. Especially for teenagers ..

Please explain how in your view these books cause harm to children.

Czech scholar Tomas Masaryk (one of the 20th century's greatest scholars) viewed his work as wholesome and profound. Masaryk was reputed to be one of Europe's greatest pro democracy thinkers and he would have strongly disagreed with you.

From my perspective (as limited as it is) I viewed his work as enlightened and reformist. True, some of his work could be interpreted as reactionary but I honestly do not feel his work should be entirely viewed that way.

I am mindful that there has been discussion over the fact that Dostoyevsky's works have been significantly mistranslated and perhaps I am not aware of the motifs you are referring to. Perhaps you can give good examples which illustrate just what you mean.
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Please explain how in your view these books cause harm to children.

I'll try to explain. Dostoevsky presents a very dark side of life in his novels. He focuses too much on the sombre part of life. If, for instance, we compare Dostoevsky to Dickens, who wrote his novels at about the same historical period, we will see a very striking difference. Dickens does reveal the darker things, too, but the general mood of his novels is bright and optimistic.
And Dostoevsky is not only pessimistic, he depicts a lot of things that are, in fact, wrong, and presents them as a norm of life. Alcoholism, wasted lives, the ugliest and most thoughtless dissipation, vodka-induced passions, vodka-induced repentance, hatred and hysteria and forced thoughtless spirituality - this is life as described by Dostoevsky, and he offers no other alternative. No hope, no chance of improvement, nothing healthy or sane. And let's consider Dostoevsky's women. What would you call Nastasya Fillippovna, the heroine from "The Idiot", if you chanced to meet her in real life? I bet that the first desciprion that will come up to your mind would be something like - hysterical fool and a brainless stuck-up ****. That's about what she was.
And Dostoevsky's passions are the passions of confused and lost people, who do not know their good from their bad. He depicts people with a guilt complex. Whatever they do, be it good or be it bad, be it right or be it wrong, they constantly find a reason to feel guilty, to feel that they are doing the wrong thing. And the worst is that there is no right thing for them. Even when they do have a choice, they can only choose between two "wrong" things they will later feel guilty about. Spineless people, who can't make a choice for themselves, and then take a firm stand and say - I did this and this, because I believe it to be right, and because I want to achieve this and this for myself, and if someone's not happy about it, they can go and shed tears in a dark corner.
And this "cocktail" of hard circumstances, lack of thinking, hysteria and unnecessary drama is presented to children as a work of genius, and the characters - as complex and noble ones, to be looked up to and copied.
That is why I would've banned Dostoevsky from school curriculum altogether.
I read a book in a University literature course known as "The Collector." I don't think children should read books where the main character is a perverted abductor, but I thoroughly enjoyed the book nonetheless.
I do believe that parents should supervise what their children read. What is known as "classical literature" doesn't always contain good and useful ideas and examples. When I was a kid, I read just about anything I could lay my hands on, and I don't think it was a good thing, in the long run.
Censorship is a necessary evil that no-one will ever tolerate!
As soon as censorship affects you, it becomes an issue.

Protecting people from lies, mistruths and misleading information is why censorship is necessary
but "who polices the police"? is the problem we quickly run into when allowing censorship.

Pornography should obviously not be allowed in schools, but when is nudity or sexual education considered to be pornography?
Personal views and moralities make it extremely difficult to censor fairly.

Isn't war and terrorism more damaging than sex?
But should we hide from History and reality?

Religious material (ie the Bible) should only be allowed in schools if it is classed as fiction.

Other than that, NOTHING should be censored. We live in a free society, where we have the right to think freely and act independantly (as long as it doesn't hurt or impede others)....and that includes "free speech", the right to read and believe anything we want, and the right to choice.

And although we, as parents, should be responsible for our children, we can not be with them 24 hours a day and have to trust in our schools, our teachers, and society in general to help with that upbringing.
mia cruz
Yes, it should be given more on concern. It shouldn't be banned at all, but should be given "restriction" especially to elementary and high school curriculum.
Last edited by karrie; Jan 16th, 2008 at 10:51 PM..
"See Spot Run" nearly ruined my life.

should ban it.

damn straight.
lone wolf
Imagine me shock when I realized nothing from the Anarchist's Cookbook actually tasted good....

How about common sense and letting parents, teachers, PTAs, and trained librarians decide what is age appropriate for the kids?

If the kid wants a book that isn't in the library, or the parents decide it's time to teach the yard ape how to make a bomb, it's up to the kid to ask the parents, and the parents to do the teaching.

Common sense can work really well if we let it. There are few truly dangerous ideas. There is, however, a whole boatload of truly dangerous ignorance.

lone wolf
Make a bomb? Hell, that's what the splinternet's for!

Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

"See Spot Run" nearly ruined my life.

should ban it.

damn straight.

OMG I still have those books. lmao...

Can you imagin a book in the kids library now.Fun with Dick and Jane!!!!
Dexter Sinister
Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Common sense can work really well if we let it.

Agreed, as long as it's *my* common sense that decides.

Common sense isn't really very common, mostly because we don't seem able to agree on what it is. To some people it's common sense that the theory of evolution can't possibly be correct, there's obviously an intelligent designer at work. To some people it's obvious common sense that the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States had to be an inside job. I think it's common sense that both those positions--and I could probably generate hundreds more examples with a little thought--are simply stupid. On any issue you can find people whose ideas of what the common sense response is are diametrically opposed.

So whose idea of common sense should prevail? We're back where we started from.

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