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This article may just mean that experiments involving chimp's should stop. Females are selling sex for fruit. Meaning they understand cause and effect and are able to negotiate. Surely signs of intelligents akin to our own...
Well you don't see chimps walking through parks picking up doo doo after the dog.
It seems to me that whenever I've watched Chimpanzees have sex, .....(in the interests of science, not voyeurism).....it seems such short-lived, casual event that it is difficult to see it as being marketable.......by either sex.......Maybe I'll have to pay more attention....
it seems such short-lived, casual event that it is difficult to see it as being marketable..
Chimps are more intelligent and less like us genetically than people with down syndrome. The Swift in me says we should ease our burden on society and just test on people with down syndrome.
Its still A.Ok right?
Indeed karrie. I would say though, anyone that does that kind of reasearch never had a dog or a cat in there lives.I can't say what animal is 'equal' to another. To experience the personality of another being that is not human and find that they actualy have a personality and a certain level of brain power, even though we do have more, does make one realise that intelegence does exist in other species. What value that life has is in the 'eye of the beholder' so to speak.
What it boils down to quite simply for me is that animals should be protected by standards. Animals are not equal to a human being. A human life holds more value, even it is for some trivial reason like genetics, inability to communicate, etc. So much of the headway modern medicine makes is due to animals, that I'm not willing to complain. I'm not willing to point a finger of blame at the scientists who use animals to find ways to save human lives.
What I AM willing to do, is demand standards in what kinds of research are entitled to these animals (ie, how imortant is it to us), how the animals should be treated, what sorts of procedures are performed, (are they overly cruel or entirely necessary?). Essentially, I'm willing to demand the sorts of standards that the vast majority of research institutions have already instituted for themselves.
To start preying on them wouldn't be a great idea. If we want to use that as a punishment fine...
I never suggested preying on them. I suggested giving incentives. This could be...an extra hour in the yard for a "hole" inmate or other segrated inmate. A tv in their cell. A bigger TV in their cell even. More cents per hour at their job for canteen purchases...etc.
The perks you mention are still essentially currency, and it's still exploitative
Well that's just it. What makes it alright to do tests on animals? the fact that they can't give permission? Or is it that they don't speak our language? was it that they didn't use tools (we know now they do) or that they can't negotiate (we now know they do) or that they don't form groups and fight wars (they do)
The fact is, if it wasn't for the death of several thousand animals, I would have died horribly at the age of 8.
I'm all for animal testing.
Well if society has the right to vote, no matter skin colour or gender yet prison inmates don't...then the laws can change for those particular individuals. Personal choice is not exploitation. They don't have to do this. It's not like they won't get food unless....The poor of society are a completely different matter. Mind you this is only in Canada.
In the US they pay for your time for certain experiments.