Too snotty?

karrie
#1
Dear Mademoiselle [...],

[...] returned her 2" binder, bought as per the specific Grade 2 supply list, and told me she needs a "smaller" one. She is unsure what size, and seems confused as to the fact that she had two binders when she left for school today, a 1" and a 2".

If the teal 1" binder has gone missing, please, let me know.

As for replacing the 2" with a smaller binder, I hope you will be more specific, and provide ample reason, considering the 2" is now unreturnable due to the school's specific request that everything be labeled before the start of school.

Sincerely,
Karrie.
 
Twila
#2
It's perfect. To the point. Explains what you want clearly. If somebody reads rude or snotty into it's because they're feeling it.

Schools can be sooooooo frustrating.
 
gerryh
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Dear Mademoiselle [...],

[...] returned her 2" binder, bought as per the specific Grade 2 supply list, and told me she needs a "smaller" one. She is unsure what size, and seems confused as to the fact that she had two binders when she left for school today, a 1" and a 2".

If the teal 1" binder has gone missing, please, let me know.

As for replacing the 2" with a smaller binder, I hope you will be more specific, and provide ample reason, considering the 2" is now unreturnable due to the school's specific request that everything be labeled before the start of school.

Sincerely,
Karrie.

A hell of alot nicer than I would have been....or have been.
 
eh1eh
#4
I have found many in the profession of teaching our children to be incompetent fools who would never make it in the real world. So, no, not too snotty at all.

As a note to be fair,there have been a few teachers worth their salt.
Last edited by eh1eh; Sep 4th, 2007 at 08:57 PM..Reason: Ten Penny spelling lesson. lol
 
karrie
#5
alright, I think I'll toss it back into her pack then, and send it with her tomorrow. lol. I just don't want to piss a teacher off and have them take it out on my kid all year.
 
TenPenny
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

I have found many in the profession of teaching our children to be incompetent fools who would never make it in the real world. So, no, not too snotty at all.

As a note to be fair,there have been a few teachers worth there salt.

One could conjecture that those that are worth THEIR salt are those that didn't teach you.
 
eh1eh
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

One could conjecture that those that are worth THEIR salt are those that didn't teach you.

Very funny. Fortunatly some of them have taught my daughter.
 
Zan
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

alright, I think I'll toss it back into her pack then, and send it with her tomorrow. lol. I just don't want to piss a teacher off and have them take it out on my kid all year.

Karrie,
I wouldn't worry bout that - it's the kids who have parents that pay no mind that fall between the cracks... seems to me teachers need a l'il push to show 'em that someone - a vigilant parent in fact - is watching how their child is treated and educated.
Anyway, I'd like to see the teacher that thinks she can take anything out on any child of yours. You have strong momma-bear instincts too ... I know, I know, it takes one to know one
 
karrie
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by ZanView Post

Karrie,
I wouldn't worry bout that - it's the kids who have parents that pay no mind that fall between the cracks... seems to me teachers need a l'il push to show 'em that someone - a vigilant parent in fact - is watching how their child is treated and educated.
Anyway, I'd like to see the teacher that thinks she can take anything out on any child of yours. You have strong momma-bear instincts too ... I know, I know, it takes one to know one

Yeah, I do have the momma bear instinct. I've taken more than one issue to the principal regarding my kids, and if I think my kid needs something, I don't hesitate to push for it. I've had more than one person at their schools comment on it. With my son, the most notable was my push to get him seen by a counselor and have him assessed, so that i didn't have to do the 'something's wrong with your kid' dance all year long with his teacher. She hinted ONCE about behavioral disorder, and I had him STRAIGHT into the school counselor, and got the teacher straightened out. lol. It gave me and the teacher peace of mind to know that nothing was wrong, and it brought a third party in to make sure the teacher and I were on the same page about how the issues (social issues like I've never seen at any other school) would best be handled.
 
Ariadne
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

I have found many in the profession of teaching our children to be incompetent fools who would never make it in the real world. So, no, not too snotty at all.

As a note to be fair,there have been a few teachers worth their salt.

I second that!

Teachers are idiots. They have the arrogance to think that because they teach, they can teach anything regardless of prior training in any specific subject area ... and that's just for starters. After that, I think it's fair to say that children could actually learn quite a bit about bullying from teachers. Ever seen a 50 year old bag telling secrets in the corner? Only if she's a teacher. Ever had a door slammed in your face? Only by a teacher. Ever had someone try to steal your scholarship money? Only a teacher. The list goes on and on for what I have to say about teachers - but I shouldn't rant. I haven't posted for a few months so a rant like this would make me seem nuts - but I not nuts, teachers are.
 
Ariadne
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

alright, I think I'll toss it back into her pack then, and send it with her tomorrow. lol. I just don't want to piss a teacher off and have them take it out on my kid all year.

Valid concern. The letter sounds perfect ...
 
Nuggler
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

alright, I think I'll toss it back into her pack then, and send it with her tomorrow. lol. I just don't want to piss a teacher off and have them take it out on my kid all year.

Your letter is good, Karrie, but your worry is a valid one.

Most teachers are good, interested in our kids. Some shouldn't be interacting even at a Tim Horton's level with people.

Let's hope yours is the former.

N'Ugg.
 
Philo Cojones
#13
Kind of concerned about the lack of respect for teachers around here. most are worthless? they're all idiots? Generalizing is a dangerous game kids. I'm probably closer to a school headin age then most of you (just guessing here)...never had a problem with most of my teachers. only ever one....and we, as students, complained, and fixed the problem. Logic like your peoples is akin to "all cops are dirty" and "all lawyers are crooked". This kind of thinking isn't going to help anything. just because you've had a few bad experiences doesn't make it so everywhere and anywhere.

and no, I'm not a cop, teacher, or lawyer.

in any case, Karrie: why the christ does it matter to this school what size binder your kid has? I'd tell them where to stick it. I commend your letter....I would have been far more scathing and difficult.
 
eh1eh
#14
Philo. You must not have children in the school system.
 
karrie
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Philo CojonesView Post

Kind of concerned about the lack of respect for teachers around here. most are worthless? they're all idiots? Generalizing is a dangerous game kids. I'm probably closer to a school headin age then most of you (just guessing here)...never had a problem with most of my teachers. only ever one....and we, as students, complained, and fixed the problem. Logic like your peoples is akin to "all cops are dirty" and "all lawyers are crooked". This kind of thinking isn't going to help anything. just because you've had a few bad experiences doesn't make it so everywhere and anywhere.

and no, I'm not a cop, teacher, or lawyer.

in any case, Karrie: why the christ does it matter to this school what size binder your kid has? I'd tell them where to stick it. I commend your letter....I would have been far more scathing and difficult.

I think kids are far less critical of the quality of their teacher than their parents are philo. We are, admittedly, THE toughest customers around. I wouldn't say all teachers are idiots, but the idiots sure stand out in the crowd, and it all gets judged accordingly. Especially when you're dealing with teachers at an elementary level, who haven't the slightest clue how to deal with elementary aged children.

As for the binder, appaerntly there is a specific purpose for this binder, which is, get this, to carry around their coiled notebook. Ha! So, because the 2" is so big, the coiled note book won't open and lie flat in it. Thus, they need a smaller one. Personally, I have no clue why they could carry the coil notebook around loose in their pack in grade one, and now need it in a binder (do they get more destructive as they age? not in my experience!), but I hope to find out when my daughter returns today.
 
Curiosity
#16
Karrie

I won't comment on the actual topic because I think the responders have give you excellent confirmation of your decision regarding your daughter's school supplies.....

I have a question which refuses to go away so I'm gonna ask it:

Do we now address female teachers: "Madamoiselle" these days? Or is that her advertised preference? Or a mandate from Quebec? Or ???
 
karrie
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

Karrie

I won't comment on the actual topic because I think the responders have give you excellent confirmation of your decision regarding your daughter's school supplies.....

I have a question which refuses to go away so I'm gonna ask it:

Do we now address female teachers: "Madamoiselle" these days? Or is that her advertised preference? Or a mandate from Quebec? Or ???

My children are in French immersion, so yes, they address their teachers as Mademoiselle or Madame accordingly.
 
Curiosity
#18
Karrie

Ah oui - je comprend - merci
 
Philo Cojones
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Philo. You must not have children in the school system.

no kids. just opinions.

What i do know, and what is at issue here, is that judging the many by the inept few is detrimental to change. how is anything going to be fixed if the good teachers are not recognized? and they're all painted with the same brush?

I know i'd sure as hell be insulted if someone said "All conference Marketers are morons." Wrong. A few conference Marketers you've come in contact with (and heard stories from your friends, etc...) were bad and as such, you've labeled the entire group. pretty lame.

it's like those people who get a bad waiter/waitress at one restaurant and tell everyone they know that the "service is terrible there" and they're "never eating there again." also lame.

too much hate and nitpicking in this world kids..... let's try and tone it down a little.
 
Curiosity
#20
Philo Cojones

Ditto - what you wrote!
 
Tonington
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Yeah, I do have the momma bear instinct. I've taken more than one issue to the principal regarding my kids, and if I think my kid needs something, I don't hesitate to push for it. I've had more than one person at their schools comment on it. With my son, the most notable was my push to get him seen by a counselor and have him assessed, so that i didn't have to do the 'something's wrong with your kid' dance all year long with his teacher. She hinted ONCE about behavioral disorder, and I had him STRAIGHT into the school counselor, and got the teacher straightened out. lol. It gave me and the teacher peace of mind to know that nothing was wrong, and it brought a third party in to make sure the teacher and I were on the same page about how the issues (social issues like I've never seen at any other school) would best be handled.

I'm not sure how things are in Alberta, but in NS for instance, they don't have enough psychologists employed by the school board, and they are trying to get the teachers now to administrate the tests. My mother has a masters degree, and theoretically could do the testing, but that would put even more work on her shoulders. As is, she teaches primary education, does reading recovery which requires many extra hours of her own free time, and she has to be in the meetings between parents, principal and psychologist for these meetings. Most times the psychologist simply will echo the teachers initial findings, and then there is horrendous amounts of beurocratic BS. My mom says she would do the testing, since she was trained for this in her masters, but not without extra pay, and a different job title. There is no way she can do all of these things that people expect, without neglecting her job as a primary educator.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Philo CojonesView Post

I know i'd sure as hell be insulted if someone said "All conference Marketers are morons." Wrong. A few conference Marketers you've come in contact with (and heard stories from your friends, etc...) were bad and as such, you've labeled the entire group. pretty lame.

No, no -- not morons -- a-ssholes. Please get it right.
 
karrie
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

I'm not sure how things are in Alberta, but in NS for instance, they don't have enough psychologists employed by the school board, and they are trying to get the teachers now to administrate the tests. My mother has a masters degree, and theoretically could do the testing, but that would put even more work on her shoulders. As is, she teaches primary education, does reading recovery which requires many extra hours of her own free time, and she has to be in the meetings between parents, principal and psychologist for these meetings. Most times the psychologist simply will echo the teachers initial findings, and then there is horrendous amounts of beurocratic BS. My mom says she would do the testing, since she was trained for this in her masters, but not without extra pay, and a different job title. There is no way she can do all of these things that people expect, without neglecting her job as a primary educator.

Ah, it's going to sound bad I know, but I lucked out due to the high first nations population at that school. There were a LOT of kids in Fort St John with FAS and family abuse issues needing continual counselling. Because of their need, I had quick access to a dedicated school counselor, who was more than happy to help out a mom who brought her kid in voluntarily to nip an issue BEFORE it became a problem, rather than waiting until a full blown social dysfunction had formed.

My son had the misfortune of ending up in a class room where 15 out of the 20 kids had been friends since their moms all took lamaz class together. And those 15 kids came from predominantly snotty moms, and acted accordingly. To have your kindergarten kid come home and repeat how many times that day he got told to stay away from them, he wasn't their friend, was just unbelievable. Cliques in Kindergarten! All of his friends that year ended up being from the other class, kids we'd get together with outside of school. Once we moved to Edmonton, he fit in almost seamlessly with his class, and only got in one school yard tussle.
 
Tonington
#24
That's sad that the kids are already acting out against those who don't fit into their groups at such a young age. My family moved around, by grade two I had been in four different schools. I was lucky I guess that there was no cliques to speak of, and I fit right in everywhere I went, being a good athlete helps
 
karrie
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

That's sad that the kids are already acting out against those who don't fit into their groups at such a young age. My family moved around, by grade two I had been in four different schools. I was lucky I guess that there was no cliques to speak of, and I fit right in everywhere I went, being a good athlete helps

Their new school isn't like that Tonington. And I've never seen it on such a grand scale as that, especially at such a young age.
 
Tonington
#26
Yeah, that's really bewildering....
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Their new school isn't like that Tonington. And I've never seen it on such a grand scale as that, especially at such a young age.


Thats very odd. At my son's school everybody is a 'friend'. I don't think he even understands the concept of another kid his age not being a friend.
 
karrie
#28
I have to tell you, my son, other than being a bit rammy as little boys are, had never had trouble making friends. And then all of a sudden I'm being hauled into the principal's office and being told by his teacher he's beating up other kids and has a social dysfunction disorder. I talked to some of the moms from the English program about him, getting their take on what he's like, and all their kids got along so well with him at after school stuff that they all just scratched their heads in confusion over the whole thing.

It took a lot of coaxing to get him to start talking about why he was having troubles. And once he started, and the teacher knew what to look for, the whole thing became abundantly clear. I would volunteer in that class, and it was like children of the freaking corn. One little boy, another outside the group like my son, leaned over and whispered to a little girl, just loud enough for me to hear, that he thought her coloring was beautiful. The little girl screeched and ran to the teacher... "teacher, ____ is being rude!!". The teacher scolded the poor boy, and I had to step in and explain what was said. Needless to say, I was ecstatic to get my kid out of that environment. The 'you don't belong', 'you're not invited to my party because my mom says you're awful', 'we don't like you, go away' mentality was too bizarre for me. I was terrified of what it would do to my son in the long term.
 
Curiosity
#29
Tonington

Students enrolled in the Masters' Psych programs do evaluations and testing for free as part of their coursework down here - they have to do these to learn - why doesn't the school system utilize them with an overseer practitioner for consult.

Some of the computerized testing can even be handled by the four-year students - they are all mapped out as to Q&A...they just can't evaluate results.
 
Philo Cojones
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

No, no -- not morons -- a-ssholes. Please get it right.

Oh Doug. I missed you most of all.
 
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