Is it immoral to procreate?


oneiopen
#1
Global warming, population explosion, declining ethics, war, genocide. Does the human race have any hope of a meaningful survival and experience? Should we celebrate or lament the birth of a new person?
 
hermanntrude
#2
I'd like to counter your question with another:

Is it immoral to ask people NOT to procreate? since it's a built-in instinct and very hard to resist in some cases.
 
TenPenny
#3
According to some, it's immoral to have sex without procreating; to some it's immoral to procreate.

What to do, what to do.

F^*k it.

Oh, that's the problem.

Hmmmmm.
Last edited by TenPenny; Mar 21st, 2007 at 02:15 PM..
 
thomaska
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by oneiopenView Post

Global warming, population explosion, declining ethics, war, genocide. Does the human race have any hope of a meaningful survival and experience? Should we celebrate or lament the birth of a new person?


Which position would this procreation you speak of, be done in?
 
oneiopen
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

I'd like to counter your question with another:

Is it immoral to ask people NOT to procreate? since it's a built-in instinct and very hard to resist in some cases.

There's a major difference between having sex and the active decision to bring another human being into the world, especially in a society where preventative, and after-the-fact, contraception is readily available. Having a child today is a conscious choice.
 
hermanntrude
#6
you misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting that the urge to have sex is being denied. I was really speaking of the urge to reproduce. Possibly you are too young to know of this urge, but most people, at a certain age, realise that a part of their life's purpose is to reproduce. I believe this is a biological urge, an instinctive drive which cannot easily be ignored.

EDIT:

I just read your profile, and learned that you're obviously not too young to know of this urge and in fact have fulfilled it.
 
oneiopen
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

you misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting that the urge to have sex is being denied. I was really speaking of the urge to reproduce. Possibly you are too young to know of this urge, but most people, at a certain age, realise that a part of their life's purpose is to reproduce. I believe this is a biological urge, an instinctive drive which cannot easily be ignored.

EDIT:

I just read your profile, and learned that you're obviously not too young to know of this urge and in fact have fulfilled it.

Yes, and wonder if having children was in fact the right decision. I understand your point about the instinctive drive to have children but I think humans, as thinking animals, have the ability to make rational and informed choices about procreation and whether it benefits us on a larger, less personal level.
 
Curiosity
#8
Is it immoral to procreate...? If you have to ask... no answer will suffice.
 
thomaska
#9
Well if people don't procreate anymore, all of the problems you listed as reasons not to have kids will be solved, won't they? Sorta elementary..I think.

While I'm at it..I don't like my nose, I think maybe cutting off my head will fix it.
 
oneiopen
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

Is it immoral to procreate...? If you have to ask... no answer will suffice.

I'm not looking for an answer, just a considered, intelligent discussion. I mean, shouldn't we at least be asking the question?
 
hermanntrude
#11
I used to believe that procreation was a bad thing to do. maybe not immoral but just not good news for your offspring or yourself. Somehow as i grew up I changed my mind.

Certainly there is a possibility to consider procreation as somehow immoral, but the only way to regulate the morality would be to legislate against excessive procreation, and that's what gave rise to my question:

Is it moral to demand that others cease or refrain from procreating?
 
hermanntrude
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by oneiopenView Post

I'm not looking for an answer, just a considered, intelligent discussion. I mean, shouldn't we at least be asking the question?

it's a good question.
 
TenPenny
#13
There are several posters on this board, who I honestly hope DON'T procreate.
 
hermanntrude
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

There are several posters on this board, who I honestly hope DON'T procreate.

certainly not actually ON the board.
 
TenPenny
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

certainly not actually ON the board.

Come again?
 
oneiopen
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

I used to believe that procreation was a bad thing to do. maybe not immoral but just not good news for your offspring or yourself. Somehow as i grew up I changed my mind.

Certainly there is a possibility to consider procreation as somehow immoral, but the only way to regulate the morality would be to legislate against excessive procreation, and that's what gave rise to my question:

Is it moral to demand that others cease or refrain from procreating?

Right, like it has been China or India in the past, but apart from legislated compliance, I simply wonder if people as individuals in the western world turn their minds to notions of "zero population growth" before making the decision to have children, and if they don't whether they should.
 
hermanntrude
#17
don't want people procreating all over the board. that'd just be disgusting
 
TenPenny
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

don't want people procreating all over the board. that'd just be disgusting

bad pun back there.
 
hermanntrude
#19
sorry dude
 
hermanntrude
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by oneiopenView Post

Right, like it has been China or India in the past, but apart from legislated compliance, I simply wonder if people as individuals in the western world turn their minds to notions of "zero population growth" before making the decision to have children, and if they don't whether they should.

If all the individuals in the world were like you, then maybe people would act like that. But the fact is that a large proportion of the world's populous aren't going to suddenly think to themselves "The world is too populated. I shall refrain from having more than one child", and a smaller (but still large in absolute terms) proportion will think "this world is overpopulated, and resources are thin on the ground, If I wish my people to have any future, I should make as many as possible"
 
hermanntrude
#21
as for whether they should or shouldn't... it's not for me to say really is it? I don't think it's fair to expect it.
 
Curiosity
#22
The question which comes to my mind is...

If you procreate the most vital and important consideration would be how would you raise the child(ren) of your procreation?

The earth can handle many more than the current population numbers if spread out properly and with some order in the chaos which now reigns. There is room for all, if all can ever agree on living together as one group - humans.
 
hermanntrude
#23
... which we can't it seems
 
tracy
#24
I don't think morality has anything to do with procreation. It's like saying "Is it moral to breathe?". It's not something humans in general will ever control completely.
 
Zzarchov
#25
You should not procreate if you can't look after the child and give it a good life.

I don't think thats too "barbaric" a position is it?
 
hermanntrude
#26
not really, no. But people still do it. why is that?
 
Dezzarai
#27
I think procreation is neither moral nor immoral. It all depends on how you raise your kids. If they are environmentally concious, then what harm could they possibly do to the environment? if procreation is banned, then we would just die out, right? I think that people should have to get a license before they can have kids. then we would have a lot less bad parents out there.
 
tamarin
#28
It's expected that if you have a child you have the means to support it and sufficient brains to provide him a role model. If you disregard the obvious don't expect society to be charitable in its views.
 
El Barto
#29
The population explosion is comming from the less indusrrial countries. Wonder if they ask themselves the same questions?
I guess women should sleep with one eye open then.
 
AmberEyes
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by DezzaraiView Post

I think procreation is neither moral nor immoral. It all depends on how you raise your kids. If they are environmentally concious, then what harm could they possibly do to the environment? if procreation is banned, then we would just die out, right? I think that people should have to get a license before they can have kids. then we would have a lot less bad parents out there.

The problem is deciding what characteristics and attributes decide what makes an individual decent enough to have kids.

Not to mention how much that tramples on somebody's rights... procreation is the centre of our meek little existance and as necessary to our survival as breathing. To deny somebody the right to have children is like denying them the right to breathe.
 

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