Why myths about poor endure


sanctus
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

thanks Padre. better you than me.

You're welcome. It just steams my grits when people try to use Scriptures without obviously understanding what they are reading. Take that mis-quote from Walter. It is taken from a passage in Matthew where Jesus is basically telling his Apostles to enjoy their time with Him well they can, since He will be leaving them soon. He points out that the world will be the same, only He will have left it, thus, "the poor you will have with you always". In other words, after He has gone physically from them, there will still be the woes of the world they will HAVE TO DEAL WITH. In no shape, manner or form was this passage to suggest that the poor should never be helped and should, essentially, just stay poor.

Sorry...here endeth the lesson....
 
sanctus
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Yeah, more unadmirable behavior is routinely performed by gov'ts. Why the hell do we even have gov'ts if it can't do its work properly?

Feel free anyone to call me a rabid socialist, but there is no excuse what-so-ever in a country as rich as ours for people to be in such dire straights, whether it is their own fault or not. It is our moral obligation to ensure that all the citizens of this country have a comfortable life. Why can't the governments really help these people?

Here's another example that puzzles me. One of my families is a man and woman(not married but they think I don't know that ), with three kids. Man works at a minimum wage job and they receive supplements from Social Services. Here's the odd thing, they would get more if he actually quit his job. Soc. Services takes off almost 3/4 of their support cheque because he is working. In other words, they can't possibly get ahead as a family and will stay in this rut for the forseeable future.
 
BitWhys
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

...Sorry...here endeth the lesson....

not bad. but you left out the part about it being in the same chapter as the parable of the sheeps and the goats.

whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers...
(nice tune but melody for the verses could have used some work)
 
L Gilbert
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Feel free anyone to call me a rabid socialist, but there is no excuse what-so-ever in a country as rich as ours for people to be in such dire straights, whether it is their own fault or not. It is our moral obligation to ensure that all the citizens of this country have a comfortable life. Why can't the governments really help these people?

Gov'ts are supposed to, but seemingly can't.

Quote:

Here's another example that puzzles me. One of my families is a man and woman(not married but they think I don't know that ), with three kids. Man works at a minimum wage job and they receive supplements from Social Services. Here's the odd thing, they would get more if he actually quit his job. Soc. Services takes off almost 3/4 of their support cheque because he is working. In other words, they can't possibly get ahead as a family and will stay in this rut for the forseeable future.

It's similar here in BC. Not only that but disabled people are under the same classification as SS recipients. I fail at figuring that one out, too.
 
Walter
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

And so? This means we must not try and help those less fortunate than ourselves? That we should not offer compassion and support as a society because of this one "OUT OF CONTEXT" verse of Scripture? Are you implying Jesus condoned poverty and supported it?

Sorry to ramble, but frankly I get so sick to death of people pulling pieces of the Bible out of the air out of context to the passage it was taken from.

If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.
 
BitWhys
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.

and what, pray tell, do you consider to be equally as important as the nazarene's crucifiction?
 
karrie
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.

Ah, if only he understood the context. That's one of the problems with these priests, they're very unschooled in the meaning of the Bible. Silly creatures.
 
Walter
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

and what, pray tell, do you consider to be equally as important as the nazarene's crucifiction?

I often tell my children, "Never show your ingnorance." Please read the whole passage in Matthew before you reply with more non-sequiturs.
 
sanctus
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.

Are you, let me see if I get this, suggesting I have NOT read this passage in context? Pay tell, do give me your exegesis of the passage. Remember it must be consistent with the faith as it has always been known and taught , and not some off the wall "the Holy Ghost whispered in my ear" mumbo-jumbo type of explanation.
 
sanctus
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Ah, if only he understood the context. That's one of the problems with these priests, they're very unschooled in the meaning of the Bible. Silly creatures.

What book is that? Is that that Big Black thing with all the pages in it? The one that forms 90% of our Liturgy--that book?--yeah...I've heard of it
 
karrie
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

What book is that? Is that that Big Black thing with all the pages in it? The one that forms 90% of our Liturgy--that book?--yeah...I've heard of it

heeheehee. You must LOVE it when perfect strangers off the net suppose to tell you that you don't know the meaning of Bible verses.
 
Tonington
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

I often tell my children, "Never show your ingnorance."

Interesting...the phrase practice what you preach seems relevant to this page of this thread especially....
 
Curiosity
#43
I am always fascinated how the wealthy receive such acknowledgement for giving milliions to the poor of other nations, how military budgets are astronomical, how political salaries are designed for billionaires because they spend little of their personal salary on the job - most of their expenses are covered under other budget items.

And I read how the people for whatever reason are cast into pre-begging penury....how dare the government allow anyone under it's care spend one day in hunger or without proper shelter and yes, some form of communication with the outside world, a phone, a television, and a computer and enough money to purchase good food....and assistance from others when necessary.

There is something very wrong with this picture. Why give to anyone who is not within the national borders, or fight wars for whatever honorable reason when people are clinging to desperation wondering how they will survive month after month under conditions worse than prison itself.
 
s243a
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by GenGapView Post

Interesting concept.
"A person that is poor, pays more for necessities, then someone who wealth."
I find poor people to purchase lower end products(necessities), and therefore have to purchase more then if they were to purchase a quality item.
Scenario 1
A poor person purchases second hand clothing. The life spend of the clothing is greatly reduced. this person goes back and purchases more in a given year. Transportation costs, time loss, and quaint rises.
Why not buy it new? IE. a pair of chains at Zellers for $20.00. 1 trip. by bus $6.00 verses 3 pairs at a thrift shop totaling $30.00 and 3 trips by bus $18.00.

Or a person could shop at Frenshies.
 
Walter
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Are you, let me see if I get this, suggesting I have NOT read this passage in context? Pay tell, do give me your exegesis of the passage. Remember it must be consistent with the faith as it has always been known and taught , and not some off the wall "the Holy Ghost whispered in my ear" mumbo-jumbo type of explanation.

A woman was being chastised by the disciples for wasting expensive perfumed oil to annoint Jesus. They said it would be better to sell the oil and use the money to help the poor. Then Jesus said, 'You will always have the poor.' How is my interpretaion mumbo-jumbo or off-the-wall?
Last edited by Walter; Apr 17th, 2007 at 12:03 PM..Reason: spelling error
 
L Gilbert
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

......off the wall "the Holy Ghost whispered in my ear" mumbo-jumbo type of explanation.

lol.
 
L Gilbert
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Interesting...the phrase practice what you preach seems relevant to this page of this thread especially....

And yet another lol.
 
L Gilbert
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

There is something very wrong with this picture. Why give to anyone who is not within the national borders, or fight wars for whatever honorable reason when people are clinging to desperation wondering how they will survive month after month under conditions worse than prison itself.

Right on, Curio. Damn critters oughtta clean up their own backyards before "fixing" someone else's space.
 

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