Racism around the world


Gonzo
#1
Racism is a belief that biological differences among human races determine cultural or individual achievement, believing that ones own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
So where are the most racist regions on earth? It's common to believe that white people are the most racist, a racist belief I think.
In Uganda, the government expelled tens of thousands of ethnic Indians.
There has been debate about the treatment of African Jews in Israel, who occupy the bottom social economic positions.
Though not widely known throughout the world, Latin America has a history of racism highly influenced by the colonial attitudes and devastation created by the Spanish conquest in the 16th and 17th centuries. During the conquest, the offspring of Spaniards and Native Americans became distinct and low caste in colonial society. The offspring are now the majority throughout Latin America and in Spanish-speaking countries they are called indios, nacos by racists.
In parts of Asia, racism is encouraged. Little is done about it. Not only racism, but division of class is a major part of life in Asia. Your job is your status. Nurses are looked down upon. In Canada, nurses are always treated horribly by Asians because of their view that nursing is an inferior job.
While black supremacism is viewed by human rights organizations and black leaders of the American Civil Rights Movement, such as Martin Luther King Jr. and Roy Wilkins, as equivalent to the white supremacy movement, some African Americans consider black supremacism acceptable because of its message about black self-respect, black self-sufficiency and black economic improvement. Jesse Jackson, for instance, "has applauded Minister Louis Farrakhan, whose basic message is of black supremacy over whites and hatred of Jews".
The United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors was founded by Dwight York who is considered to be "one of the most successful ó and least known ó black supremacist leaders in America". The Nuwaubians believe in black people's superiority to white people, that whites are "devils," devoid of both heart and soul, that the color of white people is the result of leprosy and genetic inferiority, and that the ancestors of white people are the sexual partners of dogs and jackals.
So racism exists around the world, not only in Europe and North America.
 
smilingfish
#2
In which part of Asia? I mean where racism is encouraged. And how? Curious b/c I'm an asian. Oops, Asia is too large & I'm not in that "part"?

IMHO, racism is based on the economy status and political power of the people of different races( not a single person of this race, but the main part of them). So basically, it's just "money talks".
 
Gonzo
#3
In Cambodia, there has been a strong anti-Vietnamese sentiment.
In Indonesia there has been a lot of violence against the affluent Chinese population who have been blamed for economic problems that have plagued the country in recent years.
Until 2003, Malaysia enforced discriminatory laws limiting access to university education for Chinese students who are citizens by birth of Malaysia.
Last edited by Gonzo; Dec 19th, 2006 at 09:01 PM..
 
smilingfish
#4
I kinda knew about the "against Chinese" thing in Indonesia(horrible!) and Malaysia. But I don't think that's racism. Racism is you consider some other race is stupid or dump. And in those 2 cases, I'd rather call it jealousness. Anyway it's still not good.
 
Gonzo
#5
It's not good. When you put down or deny an entire race of people it's racism. Why did they limit Chinese people into university in Malaysia?
 
Chukcha
#6
it's very true.
Some of my friends that are russians/white who lived in Uzbekistan, Ukrain, Tatarstan, all say they never felt welcomed, even though they were born there. And the language was always an issue, some of them say they were treated pretty violent if they used to speak russian or any other language.
A friend lived in Indonesia, they say some indonesians were aggressive for their "white", and "infidel", apparently some were even threatening their "white kids", and "to get out of the country before they get killed".
I used to work in a company, my team were mainly chinese and korean, and boy they were racial toward me just because I wasn't one of them. They were actually insulting pretty straight forward, what's strange, is that that wasn't considered to be racism.
And I hate to say this, but when I went to visit Russia few years ago, I observed the same thing though vice versa . But no, it isn't just the white, it's the human nature in general I guess.
 
smilingfish
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by GonzoView Post

It's not good. When you put down or deny an entire race of people it's racism. Why did they limit Chinese people into university in Malaysia?

Because Chinese are too hard working and too good at study, so if there's equal chance, their kids got much less chance to go to college.

Oh, wait, I've heard that some colleges and universities in Canada screen applicants by their names. And if it's a Chinese family name, they will put the files aside until they get enough other students, because Chinese people make their kid study hard like hell with no play time. Is that true? Cus we are immigrating to Canada from China, and I have a son. I'm not going to make my kid(s) study too hard cus that really borders on child abuse, and I've suffered that when I was a kid. Really hate that. But if the chance is not equal...Why doesn't the government just forbid people to send their kids to any classes out of their school!
 
Andem
#8
Wow, what an interesting topic. I find Canada to be probably the worst source of racism I've felt towards myself as a white male. Not only does everybody but white males, females to a lesser degree get special treatment in some form or another in the private sector and government through legislation, but we're specifically targetted through the media (especially blatantly Black Entertainment Television) as being cool to hate.

This will only eventually backfire when people like myself have had enough and either fight or flee. The wealth, culture and success of Canada originate from nowhere else but the work and genius of European immigrants. Now that they're being turned aside for third worlders by the government, Canada will only fall in terms of quality of life.
 
Andem
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by smilingfishView Post

Because Chinese are too hard working and too good at study, so if there's equal chance, their kids got much less chance to go to college.

Oh, wait, I've heard that some colleges and universities in Canada screen applicants by their names. And if it's a Chinese family name, they will put the files aside until they get enough other students, because Chinese people make their kid study hard like hell with no play time. Is that true? Cus we are immigrating to Canada from China, and I have a son. I'm not going to make my kid(s) study too hard cus that really borders on child abuse, and I've suffered that when I was a kid. Really hate that. But if the chance is not equal...Why doesn't the government just forbid people to send their kids to any classes out of their school!

Your people get nothing but special treatment from the government and private sector. Stop complaining!
 
smilingfish
#10
In conclusion( can I? ), Gonzo's right, it's a human nature. Or maybe all creatures' nature: dislike other people/ creature that's different from themselves.

So the Babel Tower thing really works.

Andem, you remember the discussion about women's rights of abortion & stuff? Kinda like that. I still live in China now, and people of minority nationalities in this country do have more rights than us, like they can have more kids( you know it's forbidden for people like me to have more than 1 kid here), their kids can enter the university at a much lower score in the entrance exam, etc. We don't feel that way like you, It's OK, cus they're minority, and they don't have much advantage on other aspects, and these policies just try to make things equal. And women are protected by the laws b/c we are in disadvantage. So what's wrong with that?

Well screen the Chinese names out of the candidates is not an equal thing cus they have better way to solve the problem.
 
Chukcha
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by smilingfishView Post

Andem, you remember the discussion about women's rights of abortion & stuff? Kinda like that. I still live in China now, and people of minority nationalities in this country do have more rights than us, like they can have more kids( you know it's forbidden for people like me to have more than 1 kid here)

Sorry to intrude, but I was curious, what was the real purpose of chinese people to overpopulate so quickly and so disasterous in the end?
 
Vereya
#12
I guess racism is rooted in biological and historical factors. Each race considers itself the best and worthy to rule others only because it is necessary for its survival. A race that is too acceptive of other races might easily get conquered and destroyed, or it can get totally assimilated by other races, and disappear altogether. So historically racism is a means of preserving a people's or a race's purity and its customs and traditions.
Right now it is not that important, and it is possible to overcome the racial differences in the world of today, but if you look closely, you will probably notice that the most successful in life and the most sexually attractive are the people, whose blood is the purest, no matter what their race might be. Black, or white, or asian - if you are 100% black/white/asian, you will probably be more successful, than your mixed-blood equals. I wonder if anybody else noticed it?
 
Gonzo
#13
I've noticed that the most attractive are mixed races. But thatís more of a taste then anything.
Canada does give special treatment to minorities, gay, women, French, and disabled. Maybe they do need a helping hand but that in itself is a racist policy. It still doesn't solve the problem. Women and minorities still get paid less at top jobs. And they're overlooked in promotion. But the government can say "hey, look how good we are, we're hiring all these minorities and women". Still, top jobs go to the upper white class. Then at the entry level position, white males start to blame women and minorities because they canít get in. It's a system that has got to chance. But I don't know of a better way to be fare to everyone.
 
Daz_Hockey
#14
I think the word "racism" is a politically correct piece of garbage.

Every animal on this planet will consciencly be weary of something or someone different to them, it is in fact part of human nature, it's how far you decide to take it. It's about self-preservation really, but there's no need for offensive words or actions...just remember that though
 
CDNBear
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by AndemView Post

Wow, what an interesting topic. I find Canada to be probably the worst source of racism I've felt towards myself as a white male. Not only does everybody but white males, females to a lesser degree get special treatment in some form or another in the private sector and government through legislation, but we're specifically targetted through the media (especially blatantly Black Entertainment Television) as being cool to hate.

This will only eventually backfire when people like myself have had enough and either fight or flee. The wealth, culture and success of Canada originate from nowhere else but the work and genius of European immigrants. Now that they're being turned aside for third worlders by the government, Canada will only fall in terms of quality of life.

I couldn't agree more.
 
Gonzo
#16
I'm not a fan of political correctness. The word "tolerance". In Canada we want everyone to be tolerant. If I said I tolerate you, would you like that? Do you want to be tolerated?
Also, if society is trying to please a minority of sensitive people who don't like a word or a policy, then thatís not a healthy society. It's supposed to be majority rules. Sometimes, if you try to please everyone, you please no one.
Having said that, there are still words you shouldn't call people, or policies that are racist. We have to use common sense. I believe in equality, not political correctness.
 
Daz_Hockey
#17
It's ok for you to say Canada should let more european immigrants in Andem, your in Germany, where they did the clever thing and closed the doors to poland.


wish we did.
 
CDNBear
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by GonzoView Post

I'm not a fan of political correctness. The word "tolerance". In Canada we want everyone to be tolerant. If I said I tolerate you, would you like that? Do you want to be tolerated?
Also, if society is trying to please a minority of sensitive people who don't like a word or a policy, then thatís not a healthy society. It's supposed to be majority rules. Sometimes, if you try to please everyone, you please no one.
Having said that, there are still words you shouldn't call people, or policies that are racist. We have to use common sense. I believe in equality, not political correctness.

You make great sense Gonzo,

I agree, the majority should rule. I tried unsuccessfully to get that across here...
forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...ow-gasket.html (external - login to view)

But the wishy washy feel that, that is why we have the Charter, to over ride the majority and create minority rule.

Ok, I take exception when it comes to Native issues, only to the extent of living up to treaty obligations and such. Not the free hand outs and crap, nor the seemingly multiplicity of laws towards them, when it comes to protesting, either.
 
Gonzo
#19
I do too. Though I'm not Native, I believe that since Natives were here first they carry some weight. Canada is a home on Native land. And the history is not so rosey when it comes to how Canada was formed.
 
CDNBear
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by GonzoView Post

I do too. Though I'm not Native, I believe that since Natives were here first they carry some weight. Canada is a home on Native land. And the history is not so rosey when it comes to how Canada was formed.

You have seen my postings, calling for the Native community to cull itself, be pro active and personaly responsible and accountable?

I still love a good Native joke though.

I consider myself a realist. I will not just blindly defend anyone, if they are indeed innocent, they will get my entire support.

These atributes are sorely lacking amongst the ethicly diverse communities. Looking at ones self, our ones related community with a smile, or with critisism, is not a bad thing.

No matter what your colour or gender or ethnicity, anyone should be able to point out flaws in any community, as long as it is done evenly and without prejudice, as well as constructively.

As we have seen in recent days here, there is a seathing hatred towords the Native communities in southern Quebec, and to some extent, I can understand why. The communities in quetsion, are sorely lacking effective leadership and proper policing. How else are the non natives supposed to view this area?

But dispite all their lacking, is the racial hatred dumped on me acceptable? Absolutely not. It is neither effective, nor constructive. It was merely a weapon of hurt. Albeit a failed attemp, but non the less a clear exposure of the seeds of racism and the prospect of further escalation, if set free with less controls, then are presently applied.

Which brings me to my point. As much as some of the PC regulatory apparatus is out of sync with reality, if it were reigned in, what do you believe the outcome to be?
 
cdn_bc_ca
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by AndemView Post

Your people get nothing but special treatment from the government and private sector. Stop complaining!

What kind of special treatment?
 
Gonzo
#22


Good question. Political correctness attempts to right a wrong, but sometimes creates another wrong. Without it would we go back? I donít know. I think political correctness doesn't make people good, or stop racism or sexism. Those attitudes will be around anyway. You canít just say, "Donít be racist, donít say those words" and expect people to realize they're wrong. Only education will curb racism. But stupid people will always be around.
If pc were reigned in, I feel that racism would be as prevalent as it is now.
 
CDNBear
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by GonzoView Post


Good question. Political correctness attempts to right a wrong, but sometimes creates another wrong. Without it would we go back? I don’t know. I think political correctness doesn't make people good, or stop racism or sexism. Those attitudes will be around anyway. You can’t just say, "Don’t be racist, don’t say those words" and expect people to realize they're wrong. Only education will curb racism. But stupid people will always be around.
If pc were reigned in, I feel that racism would be as prevalent as it is now.

You don't think it would make a come back, to something like that of the 60's and 70's?

In all fairness, not every French Canadian took a shyte on me as a kid, but enough that it left a lasting impression. That was in the late 70's and early 80's. Is Quebec somehow different? While in Alberta, I was received well and saw very little racism, despite the claims of it being rampent, from the Native communities. At the time, I was in the Army and rather chippy, so I wore feathers on the back of my bandana, which was a miniture of the Six Nations flag, just trolling for rednecks. I was dismayed at the lack of re-action. That in itself being form of racism I guess, lol.

I take it you would be what is considered "white"?

If that is the case, have you ever experienced racism as a white man? I'll bet you have.
 
Gonzo
#24
Not to the extent that you, or other races of people would experience. I only get it when I try to get an entry level job in the government. On the application it says that they're an equal opportunity employer, which is fine, if it were true. You have to fill out a questionnaire and answer if your a minority, French, female, 1st nation, disabled, or gay. They ask if you're gay! Since I'm neither of these I didn't get hired. It's not blatant racism, but its discrimination of some sort. I believe some need a helping hand to get a job (though the French do fine). For a data entry job, I applied and someone else from my work applied. I had more qualifications but didn't get it. My friend got it only because she was female and from Somalia. I'm happy for her, but I had more experience, knew more programs, and I'm a faster type. Not really fair.
My mother was the victim of racism. Just walking home from the grocery store a young man from the Middle East muttered as she walked by him "effing white pig". It was clearly intended for her. She was scared because she's wondering if allot of that sentiment is brewing amongst young Muslims.
I would hope we educate kids better today so that we would never go back to the racism of the 60's and 70's.
 
cdn_bc_ca
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by ChukchaView Post

Sorry to intrude, but I was curious, what was the real purpose of chinese people to overpopulate so quickly and so disasterous in the end?

If I understand your question correctly, the reason for this is the ultimate goal of a family to have a male child to carry the family name. If at first you don't succeed, try and try again. Similar thing in India. In fact, since India doesn't have any child controls, it's population will exceed China's in a matter of years.
 
CDNBear
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by GonzoView Post

Not to the extent that you, or other races of people would experience. I only get it when I try to get an entry level job in the government. On the application it says that they're an equal opportunity employer, which is fine, if it were true. You have to fill out a questionnaire and answer if your a minority, French, female, 1st nation, disabled, or gay. They ask if you're gay! Since I'm neither of these I didn't get hired. It's not blatant racism, but its discrimination of some sort. I believe some need a helping hand to get a job (though the French do fine). For a data entry job, I applied and someone else from my work applied. I had more qualifications but didn't get it. My friend got it only because she was female and from Somalia. I'm happy for her, but I had more experience, knew more programs, and I'm a faster type. Not really fair.
My mother was the victim of racism. Just walking home from the grocery store a young man from the Middle East muttered as she walked by him "effing white pig". It was clearly intended for her. She was scared because she's wondering if allot of that sentiment is brewing amongst young Muslims.
I would hope we educate kids better today so that we would never go back to the racism of the 60's and 70's.

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You see?

Those experiences, lay frame work for more of an intolerance then a racism, but the leep isn't that hard.

And quite frnkly, I would'nt blame you. You and your mother were obviously raised well. As I think I was. I do not beleive in the hiring practices that require you to difine yourself in such ways. Nor do I believe in employment welfarism. If you are the most qualified, you are the man or woman for the job. You would not believe the ribbing I take, for having a female lead hand. Still to this day. It floors me, how do these trogladites function?

Even in some of the programs I look forword to working with in the new year within the Native community, I know I will be faced with judging or weighing the merits of some over others. There will be limited spaces in a few of the programs, so what should I do?

Give an opportunity to someone that is just showing up, because someone forced them, ie; a social agency?

Or give it to someone that is not so bad off, has a vested interest in the program and displays it.

One is on welfare, the other is not. Both will be Native, but what should I do?

From past experience, I have give opportunities to young Native men and women, who were collecting welfare, seemed disinterested in what we were offering, and it innevitably showed. They left the program or failed to meet expectations.

The other one, comes from a group I have seen excel.

Who am I to judge here? What if I'm wrong and I have been.
 
Dixie Cup
#27
This isn't racism, but definitely discrimination. My friend is looking for employment but has been unsuccessful, she feels, because of her age. She has lots and lots of experience in doing different things, but does not expect top dollar nor does she want to start at the top. She simply wants to earn a living and wants a "reasonable" wage for a job, she's qualified to do. There are jobs out there which her qualifications meet and has excellent references but she's been unable to find anyone to hire her. After contacting some of the companies that she's interviewed for, she's been told the "position has been filled" and the reason she didn't get the job was that she was 'over qualified" and then a day or so later, the same ad appears in the papers. She still has at least 15 years of work left in her, why wouldn't anyone hire her? Any comments?
 
L Gilbert
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

You make great sense Gonzo,

I agree, the majority should rule. I tried unsuccessfully to get that across here...
forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...ow-gasket.html (external - login to view)

But the wishy washy feel that, that is why we have the Charter, to over ride the majority and create minority rule.

Ok, I take exception when it comes to Native issues, only to the extent of living up to treaty obligations and such. Not the free hand outs and crap, nor the seemingly multiplicity of laws towards them, when it comes to protesting, either.

"False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction."
- Cesare Beccaria
 
L Gilbert
#29
Racist = a fan of racing and racers, as opposed to eracist = a fan of eracing and erasers.
 
Sassylassie
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by GonzoView Post

Not to the extent that you, or other races of people would experience. I only get it when I try to get an entry level job in the government. On the application it says that they're an equal opportunity employer, which is fine, if it were true. You have to fill out a questionnaire and answer if your a minority, French, female, 1st nation, disabled, or gay. They ask if you're gay! Since I'm neither of these I didn't get hired. It's not blatant racism, but its discrimination of some sort. I believe some need a helping hand to get a job (though the French do fine). For a data entry job, I applied and someone else from my work applied. I had more qualifications but didn't get it. My friend got it only because she was female and from Somalia. I'm happy for her, but I had more experience, knew more programs, and I'm a faster type. Not really fair.
My mother was the victim of racism. Just walking home from the grocery store a young man from the Middle East muttered as she walked by him "effing white pig". It was clearly intended for her. She was scared because she's wondering if allot of that sentiment is brewing amongst young Muslims.
I would hope we educate kids better today so that we would never go back to the racism of the 60's and 70's.

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Next time stretch the truth, say you are a gay, black male with a limp. It's not like they can make you prove anything.

Growing up my father's family use to call me "Squaw" I never understood why until I found out my grand mother on my mother's side was a full blooded Mi'kmag. It was the "Family" secret, she was raised in a residential school and spent all her life denying her heritage. She would tell people she was french Canadian, how sad is that. I'm proud of my native roots, chubby cheeks and all.

Sometimes a situation may seem racist but it's really the polar opposite. When I lived in Manitoba I was at a drug store drinking free coffee waiting for my prescription to be filled and two native males came into the store and went to the perfume, etc. counter there was a sign try me and these gentlemen started drinking the ones with alcohol. I was mortified, after a scalding remark to the clerk from me she quietly told me that this ritual takes place every winter, they come in and drink the stuff she calls the police and the men are held in lockup for the winter months and when the case comes before a judge in the spring the crown drops the charges. They had no place save and warm to spend the winter so all parties devised this situation to help these men out. Yes the Natives were aware of the "Setup", but being homeless in the prairies isn't pleasant.
 

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