Stonehenge savaged in American attack


Blackleaf
#1
Stonehenge savaged in American attack

......though Bath gets high marks



By Nigel Reynolds, Arts Correspondent

Last Updated: 2:57pm GMT 02/11/2006






Stonehenge, Britain’s most iconic heritage site, has been savaged by a leading publication in the American tourist industry.

Stonehenge dates back to 3000 BC


National Geographic Traveler says that the Neolithic and Bronze Age stone circle is “a mess”, “over-loved” and lacking in magic.

The criticisms are made in a survey by the magazine of conditions at 94 UNESCO World Heritage Sites based on a point-scoring system.

Two other UK sites - the city of Bath and the West Country’s Jurassic Coast - won higher marks and praise.

Stonehenge, which only scored 56 points out of 100 in the survey, dates back to 3000 BC. It has been plagued in recent years by local and central government indecision over the upgrading of the A303 road which runs close to the site.

The researchers said Stonehenge had massive numbers of tourists “making for a crowded, noisy environment”.



The ancient city of Bath in South West England - named after its baths built by the Romans on its natural hot springs - is the most beautiful city in Europe. It features at No7 on the list.


Local people appeared not to benefit from the site, the magazine said, and its aesthetic qualities were compromised by the existing road layout and adjacent development.

The verdict on Stonehenge went on: “What a mess! Compelling ... over-loved ... certainly the current experience lacks magic.

“Crowd control is a good thing, but over-regulation has made the visitor’s experience rather disappointing, charm is gone. Would be good if something is done to surrounding landscape.”

Bath, an architectural jewel, won 78 points in the survey, ranking the city seventh in the list. It was described as “very well done in terms of both urban conservation and interpretation of Roman and Georgian heritage”. But overcrowding was said to be a problem.

The Jurassic Coast of Dorset and East Devon scored 70 points and was described as “well managed”. But researchers said its popularity had led to severe erosion of the cliffs and “people pollution”.


The Jurassic Coast, Devon

Norway’s West Fjords topped the study, with 87 points, while Nepal’s Kathmandu Valley was placed bottom with just 39 points. Also doing badly in the latest survey were the Great Wall of China (55 points) and the Pyramids of Giza (50 points).

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selfactivated
#2
I was honoured to be at three of the most popular Stone circles in England. Glatonbury (famous for its springs), Avebury, and Stone henge itself. I made famous friends with a Priestess in Kiddiminster. Her advise was stay away from Henge on the Equinox, The energy is static and the foreiners have no clue about the magic behind it. I was instead honoured to a personal ritual around a american medicine wheel and was given a power piece and amulate to comiserate the event. On my Birthday, 2 days later (23rd) My Host took me to Henge, Allowed me to concecrate some peices for my son in private. As a suprise we had a Proper English picnic next to a barrow. Ive never experienced a more perfect day. BUT as with all the stone circles the tourists filed in and the potection spells came up from the stones themselves. I finally got the fact that the stones them selves protected the land. I have never felt such perfect energy in all my life.
 
EastSideScotian
#3
I took some rocks from the ocean near by, and put them in a Circle, and ran away....


Now its the numberone Tourist trap in Canada...
 
Curiosity
#4
National Geographic isn't entirely "American" as you would have us believe....

Here is their mission statement:

Founded in 1888, the National Geographic Society is one of the world's largest nonprofit scientific and educational organizations.

Our mission is to increase and diffuse geographic knowledge while promoting the conservation of the world's cultural, historical and natural resources. National Geographic has funded over 7,000 scientific research projects, supports an education program combating geography illiteracy and reflects the world through magazines, television programs, books, videos, maps, interactive media and merchandise. Your purchases help make this important work possible.
 
selfactivated
#5
Those who are open to the energy FEEL it , I'll agree most just sensationalize it BUT some actually get it.
 
thomaska
#6
I thought this was going to be a post about the Clark Griswold family backing into one of the stones or something...
 
Curiosity
#7
Oh god what a great movie that would be....

The Griswolds Tour the UK's Treasures....

Is Chevy Chase too old ya think? He could be grandpa and his kids could have horrid little kids to tag around...

I still like the drive they took when the auntie died and the put her on top of the car...hahah...morbid I know.
 
thomaska
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

Oh god what a great movie that would be....

The Griswolds Tour the UK's Treasures....

Is Chevy Chase too old ya think? He could be grandpa and his kids could have horrid little kids to tag around...

I still like the drive they took when the auntie died and the put her on top of the car...hahah...morbid I know.

Its been done already..National Lampoons European Vacation..still has Beverly DAngelo and Chevy Chase but the kids are different actors. But it still delivers the worst of America to the world...
 
Dexter Sinister
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

Those who are open to the energy FEEL it , I'll agree most just sensationalize it BUT some actually get it.

What you're getting is overwhelmingly more likely to be just an emotional state that's entirely inside your own head and has nothing to do with anything but your personal expectations and reactions to the sites. You get it from you, not any external "energy" there. Not that I expect for a second you'll believe anything so mundane, but there's no good evidence there's anything else going on.
 
Daz_Hockey
#10
You know what?, it may be berated by the National Geographic but that's not suprising really. i live not 20 miles from it, but have never visited.
 
selfactivated
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

What you're getting is overwhelmingly more likely to be just an emotional state that's entirely inside your own head and has nothing to do with anything but your personal expectations and reactions to the sites. You get it from you, not any external "energy" there. Not that I expect for a second you'll believe anything so mundane, but there's no good evidence there's anything else going on.

Have you been talking to my shrink? No Im not pchyzo Im Bi Polar AND medicated LOL I know what ya mean Dex and funny enough my friend I DO agree. Our power comes from within but all good Priestess' and Shamans KNOW that EVERYTHING has energy. Even a few smart String theorist get it
 
Hotshot
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

National Geographic isn't entirely "American" as you would have us believe....

Here is their mission statement:

Founded in 1888, the National Geographic Society is one of the world's largest nonprofit scientific and educational organizations.

Our mission is to increase and diffuse geographic knowledge while promoting the conservation of the world's cultural, historical and natural resources. National Geographic has funded over 7,000 scientific research projects, supports an education program combating geography illiteracy and reflects the world through magazines, television programs, books, videos, maps, interactive media and merchandise. Your purchases help make this important work possible.

I believe you will find that their board of directors is predominantly Yankee.
 
Sassylassie
#13
Oh my god, oh no bloody frightful ole chap. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee what are the Yanks going to be blamed for next? Princess Di's death, oh poo now I've given them ammo. Damnation.
 
Curiosity
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by HotshotView Post

I believe you will find that their board of directors is predominantly Yankee.

No Sale Hotshot...

The guy Nigel Reynolds works for the Daily Telegraph in London - the author of the piece which Blackie claims was an "American savaging of Stonehenge" weep weep weep.......

My god you people are creepy and insecure with your belittling of the slightest things - and so uninformed.
 
Dexter Sinister
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

...all good Priestess' and Shamans KNOW that EVERYTHING has energy.

Sure, any engineer or physicist will tell you the same thing, but they know what they mean when they talk about energy. They can define it precisely, measure it, harness it, calculate it, accurately predict what it'll do, and so forth. When mystics talk about energy they haven't a clue what they're talking about, it's just the buzzword for a lot of specious nonsense, and they can't do anything with it except claim to detect it, and sometimes rearrange it, in ways that can't be tested or verified. I don't really believe you agree with me either, despite your claim to. Nobody who agrees with me could have written this: "BUT as with all the stone circles the tourists filed in and the potection [sic] spells came up from the stones themselves. I finally got the fact that the stones them selves protected the land. I have never felt such perfect energy in all my life." That's really first class mystic nonsense. One of the points in the article is that the site has been badly damaged by tourists, so those protection spells don't seem to be working. The real reason the priestess told you to stay away on the equinox is because the place is overwhelmed by New Age loons on that day. Probably you should stay away on the solstices too.


But we're getting a little off topic here. This thread was originally about some rude remarks about Stonehenge's low quality as a tourist site. It's just that I'm seldom inclined to let mystic nonsense go by unchallenged.
 
selfactivated
#16
I see. and here I thought you were being nice to an uneducated pagan.................my mistake
 
Dexter Sinister
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

I see. and here I thought you were being nice to an uneducated pagan.................my mistake

Well, with my tongue firmly in my cheek, some of the time....

No mistake my friend. I was trying to be nice; a lot of skeptics would have attacked you quite savagely and scornfully over what you wrote. I try not to do that, it just upsets everybody to no purpose, and closes off any possibility of enjoying a conversation with someone who doesn't agree with you. I've been called a pagan myself, which is accurate only in the sense that I'm not Christian; actually I think it's what polite fundamentalist Christians call me instead of telling me what they're really thinking, which would be something like "goddamned (literally) heretic spawn of Satan bastard atheist fool..."

You can't really credibly claim to be uneducated either, you know. You make a few spelling mistakes (so who doesn't?) but you write too well for a claim of being uneducated to stick. You may be self-educated rather than formally educated, but that's a distinction of no particular value, except to employers who use it to filter the job applications they get. More fools them. Some of the best employees I ever had were the ones without formal educational qualifications, but they had instinctive people skills.

So, tongue out of cheek and being perfectly serious: no, I don't believe you're uneducated, or stupid, or anything like that, I just think you're wrong about a few things. I also think we could have a wonderful conversation across my kitchen table, where I could show you my photographs and talk about the feelings I had exploring the Giza Plateau a a few years ago, and you could show me pictures of Stonehenge and tell me about your feelings at that place... And we'd have a good time and like each other.


Maybe we've hijacked this thread enough now...
 
selfactivated
#18
Youve brought a tear to my eye (joy). And your right we have said enough on the subject. Henge is to be experienced. I sugest everyone do that and then come tell me your feelings. There are a few signs of graffitti and very few bad "vibes". I adored being there and even more I enjoyed the country.
 
The Project Man
#19
I apologize for the ignorance of the "American" poll. Having been to most of the mentioned attractions and finding them wonderful, as a traveling American.

They were pissed off there was no F'n roller coaster serpanteening through Stonehenge.
 

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