What's the point of several threads posted


Researcher87
#1
Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

If we fought a true war on terrorism Christianity and Islam would be canceled out.
 
Andem
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Researcher87View Post

Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

If we fought a true war on terrorism Christianity and Islam would be canceled out.

They may be capable, but they aren't the ones flying jumbojets into buildings killing innocent people, nor are they the ones bombing embassies and nightclubs.. nor are they the ones burning flags and effigies of the pope on the streets.
 
Researcher87
#3
So the pope got burned. Who cares. The British burn that Guy who tried to blow up the British parliment.

What's the difference between having a plane slam into the building and kill a whole bunch of civilians and have a refugee camp slaughtered by crazed people who rape you and torture you before you die.

I see no difference, they are just being killed by a person of the same faith, different name, one isn't any more important than the other.
 
gopher
#4
Nor are they laughingly using "shock and awe" while innocent people die nor pretending that menacing WMD existed in Iraq and using that lie as a pretext for invading. Those same Muslims are not generating billions in war profits like Halliburton is doing while pretending that they are stopping terrorism.

As I wrote to conclude my thread on Islamophobia, there is plenty of blame to go around in the conflicts between East and West. Unfortunately, far too many people are quick to point out deificiencies of character and values in others while conveniently overlooking those same deficiencies (and worse) in their own cultures.

A little more honesty from both sides could go a long way towards generating peaceful international accord.
 
tamarin
#5
As long as the suicide bomber exists - and the spectre of his migrating to cities in the West - you'll not get much of an audience for equivalency. We can all root through history to find sponsors for our viewpoint but this is today. And - today - global attention in the West is focused on Islamic extremists. As it should be.
 
ottawabill
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Researcher87View Post

Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

If we fought a true war on terrorism Christianity and Islam would be canceled out.

It is violent people who cause these situations..the religon is just a vessel to justify...

Leave us peace loving Christains and Muslims to quietly pray and worship will the morons go fight there stupid fight.

You are right GOD IS GOD!!! he is not Bob's God or Ahkbar's God....

People like to put fences around things, take ownership then defend it...dumb..so very very dumb
 
gopher
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As long as the suicide bomber exists...

Those bombers (whether in early 1960s Algeria, late 1960s Vietnam, or today) exist only in response to Western imperialistic terrorism. End Western terrorism and the responsiveness will end as well.
 
DurkaDurka
#8
Researcher: Why don't you keep all your christianity-hate to one thread?
 
earth_as_one
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

As long as the suicide bomber exists - and the spectre of his migrating to cities in the West - you'll not get much of an audience for equivalency. We can all root through history to find sponsors for our viewpoint but this is today. And - today - global attention in the West is focused on Islamic extremists. As it should be.

30,000 Iraqi soldiers died defending their country. Most were conscipts. Since the invasion, the second Lancet report estimates about 600,000 Iraqis (2% of the population) died violent deaths attributable to war and war related violence such as increased crime.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...nflict_in_Iraq (external - login to view)

Quote:

October 7, 2005 by The Independent
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'
by Rupert Cornwell President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.
George Bush believes he is on a mission from God, according to the politician Nabil Shaath. Photograph: Charles Dharapak/AP
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm

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No one from Iraq appears to have been involved in the events of 9/11. Yet innocent Iraqi civilians have paid the greatest price. How Christian is that?


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April 22, 2004 by Inter Press Service
US Majority Still Believe in Iraq's WMD, al-Qaeda Ties
by Jim LobeWASHINGTON - U.S. public perceptions about former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's alleged ties to al-Qaeda and stocks of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) continues to lag far behind the testimony of experts, boosting chances that President George W Bush will be re-elected, according to a survey and analysis released Thursday.
Despite statements by such officials as the Bush administration's former chief weapons inspector, David Kay; its former anti-terrorism chief, Richard Clarke; former chief United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix, as well as admissions by senior administration officials themselves, a majority of the public still believes Iraq was closely tied to the al-Qaeda terrorist group and had WMD stocks or programs before U.S. troops invaded the...

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How can we in the west accuse Muslims of extremism when we kill them without so much as an apology for using lies and deceptions to start a war for control of middle east oil which has taken so many innocent lives?

While your attention has been diverted to focus on Muslim extremists, war criminals are getting away with crimes against humanity.
 
ottawabill
#10
I don't accuse Muslims of being extremist! I accuse extremist of being extremists!!

Maybe God did talk to Bush..who knows..maybe Bush's grasp at English made him hear it wrong..maybe God to him to go get a snack..not go invade IRAQ??
 
Sassylassie
#11
LOL Bill good one, now Bush will live his life never knowing what he should of eaten for a snack.

Researcher wrote: Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

Your imaturity is astounding and so is your lack of knowledge of what is transpiring around the world. You came into this forum under the guise of writing an article on "Natives in Residential Schools" but in fact all you have written is anti-Christian drivel and tripe. As a female whos grandmother was housed in a residential school I find you offensive to the extreme. Leave the suffering of the Natives and their ancestors out of your tripe they've suffered enough from Organised Religion and Bigoted Feds. The Natives in Canada don't need a hatefilled little **** like you doing backward research to bolster your hatred towards Christians.

Durkadurka was bang on maybe now you will post your hatefilled post against Christians in this thread only, I could dream the dream and you'd STFU.

Look up the Salavation Army Researcher, they do alot of good works and they don't care what Religion you practice or don't practice they provide housing to the homeless, they provide detox centers for addicts, they provide food, the list is endless. They go to other countries like the US in times of need, remember Katrina. Yep damn those GDM Christians for doing good deeds and asking for nothing in return.
 
the caracal kid
#12
sassy,

tell that to the starving that get told by some missionaries "we have food, but only if you come pray with us".

reality: christians and muslims do act very similarily.
 
ottawabill
#13
here here!!! Thanks Sassy....

Sally Anne does more for down and out people then the government has ever done..with lots less money...

If people would actually act in accordance with what is written in the Bible/Koran/Torah we would not have these conversations....

I am discusted as to what happened at res. schools (I am an Anglican) (don't really like labels though ) it's nothing to be proud of..but what is important is to try and fix it...and to make sure no one can ever hide behind an altar to preform such terrible things..God is watching anyways!!!

Should we disban Canada because it was terrible to the natives, Chinese, Japanese yars back..NO we say sorry we bring out our dirty laundry we air it, we stop it..we do our best to fix it and help..Then we move on....
 
ottawabill
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kidView Post

sassy,

tell that to the starving that get told by some missionaries "we have food, but only if you come pray with us".

reality: christians and muslims do act very similarily.

Damn your a moron!!

Have you gone to help anyone??
 
the caracal kid
#15
"Then we move on...."

and unfortunately usually do it again to somebody else. (call it the state of humanity, if you will)
 
the caracal kid
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by ottawabillView Post

Damn your a moron!!

Have you gone to help anyone??

you deny that this has and does happen? yet, because of its reality you resort to name calling?

I didn't say all missionaries have done this, but it DOES happen. I am providing the full picture. People naturally prefer to focus only on attributes they like about themselves or things they associate with (related to confirmation bias). It is important to objectively see the whole picture. Until this post you seemed to at least try to do this.
 
ottawabill
#17
you learn ..then move on!!!

Listen buddy I don't speak for the world the way you seem too..wonder how many dimpled chads you had to tear off to get that many votes?

If you just want to be bitter...then be bitter, some of use would like to learn and grow..some do not!!
 
the caracal kid
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by ottawabillView Post

you learn ..then move on!!!

Listen buddy I don't speak for the world the way you seem too..wonder how many dimpled chads you had to tear off to get that many votes?

If you just want to be bitter...then be bitter, some of use would like to learn and grow..some do not!!

i am not being bitter.

I am addressing the larger issue of the human animal beyond whichever labels get tacked on.

grow then... good for you to be challenging your constructs, yourself, and perhaps even the world. :tu:
 
ottawabill
#19
well then we are close!!

Since what I am saying is that people go and find the labels to attach to themselves to justify their behavior, I feel that God is there, no matter if we are here or not, therefore it is not people making up the religon it is the people twisting the religon....

Some be it few want to live the right way and try, fail, try again....It is harder to live a religon then it is to ignore it....


Ghandi said..If Christian people lived as Jesus taught he's convert now!! but alas they do not....My goal is to try and for that I must deal with people like you who want to only associate with the negative of things.
 
Johnny Utah
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by AndemView Post

They may be capable, but they aren't the ones flying jumbojets into buildings killing innocent people, nor are they the ones bombing embassies and nightclubs.. nor are they the ones burning flags and effigies of the pope on the streets.

The difference is Christians moved into the 20th and 21st Century a long time ago while Islamic Extremists haven't as you pointed out it wasn't Christians committing these Acts of Terrorism..
 
the caracal kid
#21
".My goal is to try and for that I must deal with people like you who want to only associate with the negative of things."

my apologies for giving that impression.

It is not that I "only want to associate with the negative of things", but that I want a balanced perspective. (only in seeing the worst potential in ourselves can we be true to ourselves)

The following is by Osho,
I am one with all things
- in beauty, in ugliness, for whatsoever is
- there I am.
Not only in virtue but in sin too I am a partner,
and not only heaven but hell too is mine.
Buddha, Jesus, Lao Tzu - it is easy to be their heir,
but Ghengis, Taimur, and Hitler?
They are also within me!
No, not half - I am the whole of mankind!
Whatsoever is man's is mine
- flowers and thorns, darkness as well as light,
and if nectar is mine, whose is poison?
Nectar and poison - both are mine.
 
ottawabill
#22
well duh!!!

Thats the whole premise of Christianity!!!

We are prone to terrible things and must catch ourselves..evaluate, ask for forgiveness and try to make up for our wrongs....

We are not to judge..God does that, but we are to stand up for what we believe. We are to love everyone, hate no one, and treat all (rich or streetperson) with the same care and kindness that we would toward Jesus. And let me tell you in this world of "I want more" , "we are the best" and I deserve everything..it's pretty hard to try and live that way. I'm sure there are many Mulims who would say the same about being Islamic in western society.

I may go to a church to here the word and pray with others, but I am not here to defend Church organizations, their politics or who they have sent nations to war...That is a misguided point. Religon is about a relationship with a higher being and to try and live in a moral and helping way...outside of that , to me , it all becaome politics of the human frail mind.

All I have tried to say on many of these threads is that you can throw all the labels you want..they don't stick..my relationship is personal and goes no further then that
 
the caracal kid
#23
ottawabill,

There is a great commonality behind all of the revealed religions (and even more through the esoteric).

While it is all peaceful the defanged version of christianity you practice (much as the defanged versions of the other two abrahamics are peaceful), we must not forget what the whole picture of the organized(for emphasis) christianity. I would call your "personal journey" a spirituality, not a religion. Your spirituality may be about "a higher being", but not all are.

Religion (organized agian, for clarity) is about social structure. It creates and maintains the long-lasting norms of a society. Some religions are rather benevolent, some are not. Christianity, like its two brothers, are primarily about control and dominance (a patriarchal power structure tracable to the rise of Marduk in Babylon). Historically, the Abrahamic stories borrowed a fair bit from earlier cultures/myths which partially explains why one large group of religions/cultures share so many comonalitys. One of the things that was more unique about Christianity (and makes it less abrahamic than its brothers) is its adoption of pagan religious practices to aid in converting the populace at the time, rendering Christianity essentially a pagan religion (and in the process violating several key abrahamic laws which were glossed over with clever editing by the councils).
 
CDNBear
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Researcher87View Post

Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

If we fought a true war on terrorism Christianity and Islam would be canceled out.

You know Researcher, at one point you said you were going to remain objective. I replied and said good for you, journalism, needs some objectivity.

You will fit in nicely at the CBC.
 
Hotshot
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by ottawabillView Post

I don't accuse Muslims of being extremist! I accuse extremist of being extremists!!

Maybe God did talk to Bush..who knows..maybe Bush's grasp at English made him hear it wrong..maybe God to him to go get a snack..not go invade IRAQ??

Well I don't see Christians walking around with bombs attached to themselves looking for a place to blow themselves up....
 
Researcher87
#26
Quote:

You know Researcher, at one point you said you were going to remain objective. I replied and said good for you, journalism, needs some objectivity.

You will fit in nicely at the CBC.

Nah, I don't like journalism.
 
CDNBear
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Researcher87View Post

Nah, I don't like journalism.

Apparently you don't like objectivity either.
 
EastSideScotian
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by HotshotView Post

Well I don't see Christians walking around with bombs attached to themselves looking for a place to blow themselves up....

Indeed we seem to have more respect for the life God has given us to live, than what some brainwashed Muslims are lead to beleaive by extreamist zelots. It is wrong for a Muslim to kill him or her self, it says so in the Quran, so one tends to wonder how well they really know their religion.
 
the caracal kid
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by EastSideScotianView Post

Indeed we seem to have more respect for the life God has given us to live, than what some brainwashed Muslims are lead to beleaive by extreamist zelots. It is wrong for a Muslim to kill him or her self, it says so in the Quran, so one tends to wonder how well they really know their religion.

probably about as well as many christians know christianity.
 
EastSideScotian
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kidView Post

probably about as well as many christians know christianity.

Cant dissagree with that, but atleast the ones that dont arent being told to blow themselves up.
 

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