"Unbiased" CBC Coverage


I think not
#1


httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvbDw5a0iFBkampeurl

 
Caleb-Dain Matton
#2
Has anyone else notice lately CTV News Net moving to the right?

Canada is traditionally a Liberal (Left-Wing, not necessarily the Party) country. Perhaps one of the most Liberal in the world. Fusing right-wing policies in this country is like pouring oil on gasoline -- they won't properly mix.

The last bit of the clip was PURE window dressing. If the concerns of the people are sooo desirable by the Cons, then why aren't they listening to the majority of Canadians who demand that Harper re-direct his stance against Israel?
 
Colpy
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Caleb-Dain Matton

Has anyone else notice lately CTV News Net moving to the right?

Canada is traditionally a Liberal (Left-Wing, not necessarily the Party) country. Perhaps one of the most Liberal in the world. Fusing right-wing policies in this country is like pouring oil on gasoline -- they won't properly mix.

The last bit of the clip was PURE window dressing. If the concerns of the people are sooo desirable by the Cons, then why aren't they listening to the majority of Canadians who demand that Harper re-direct his stance against Israel?

You told us you are a student.

I would advise you to study a little Canadian history.

Canada has been a very conservative country, up until the last 20 or 30 years.
 
Caleb-Dain Matton
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Quote: Originally Posted by Caleb-Dain Matton

Has anyone else notice lately CTV News Net moving to the right?

Canada is traditionally a Liberal (Left-Wing, not necessarily the Party) country. Perhaps one of the most Liberal in the world. Fusing right-wing policies in this country is like pouring oil on gasoline -- they won't properly mix.

The last bit of the clip was PURE window dressing. If the concerns of the people are sooo desirable by the Cons, then why aren't they listening to the majority of Canadians who demand that Harper re-direct his stance against Israel?

You told us you are a student.

I would advise you to study a little Canadian history.

Canada has been a very conservative country, up until the last 20 or 30 years.

MacDonald's and Diefenbaker's Conservatism was not like Mulroney's and Harper's. Traditionally, Canada has always been a liberal (in the idea, not the Liberal Party), country in the sense.

I'm a history major -- do you really want to argue that Canada is not traditionally liberal in its ideas?
 
Colpy
#5
Okay, maybe you understand what Adam Smith liberalism is, and we are agreeing. Unfortunately, "liberal" has become a word that has 16 different meanings, and classic small "L" liberals are now conservatives......if you get my drift
 
#juan
#6
This is a non-topic

Stephen Harper obviously doesn't want to upset his little love-in with Bush and his cronies. The billion dollar give away Harper is trying might not work as smoothly as he planned. What next?
 
Kreskin
#7
Waste of 7 minutes.
 
neone
#8
I'm a bit surprised by some of your reactions. I'm completely disgusted by the way they set that clip up. I hope we hold our media - especially the CBC to a higher standard than something like Fox News.
 
Kreskin
#9
The old argument against the CBC is it's controlled by the government. Harper doesn't seem to be controlling it too well if this is clip is a concern. This should then put to rest the government controlled propoganda tool conspiracy theory.
 
neone
#10
What about the theory that the CBC has a liberal bias? Perhaps they're stuck in that mode and haven't switched over yet.
 
Kreskin
#11
Call it a liberal bias if you want but they have never missed an opportunity to roast whoever is in government. Perhaps it is liberal to do that.
 
LittleRunningGag
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Caleb-Dain Matton

Canada is traditionally a Liberal (Left-Wing, not necessarily the Party) country. Perhaps one of the most Liberal in the world.

If you are going to be a history major, you may want to take a glance into a poli-sci class. Just a glance. Maybe an intro class.

Canada is definately one of the most liberal (read: free) countries in the world. Very few can claim the level of freedoms we have. We are not, however, one of the farthest left countries. Canada would have a difficult time competing against most European states.
 
I think not
#13
It's no matter the CBC played around with footage to get an entirely different message across, as long as leftists can dismiss it on an emotional basis. If it were Fox News you would be tripping over each other posting I told you so's.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

The old argument against the CBC is it's controlled by the government. Harper doesn't seem to be controlling it too well if this is clip is a concern. This should then put to rest the government controlled propoganda tool conspiracy theory.

It also puts to rest the CBC's "higher standard"
 
cortex
#14
The fact is that christina lawand , like cortex and
millions of others who live in Canada KNOW that the likes of steven harper couldnt care less about arab-canadians.

Translation of Steves second clip----BLAH BLAH---we back state terrorism not the small fry----BLAH BLAH --we understand that our stated pro-isreali position will improve our image with the US state terrorists -----BLAH BLAH---obviously we consider the Jewish community more worthy than the Arab community and although there may be more of the latter in Canada than the former --the former is generally weathier, more influential and powerfull than the the latter---BLAH BLAH BLAH---so we also betting on the fact that generally members of my ethic group--ie anglosaxons have a deeply rooted pervasive and intractable prejudice against arabs and other communities such as native canadians and Hispanics and that ultimately these will be more important than the arab community in terms of
future elections---BLAH BLAH BLAH--although the results in quebec are an obstacle we fell that if we can rev up our anti-arab cultural propaganda machine we can sway other of non anglaosaxon descent to become anti arab bigots as well--BLAH BLAH BLAH--Its war time all the time--BLAH BLAH BLAH
 
cortex
#15
I cant resist a double post

What Cortex would say if he were primeminister

The Canadian government recognises the right of both Israel and Palestine to exist and to defend themselves; however we cannot condone the use of Hezbollah sponsored nor state sponsored terrorism either directly by Israel or by proxy by Iran,Syria and the United States. We call for an immediate cease fire in line with international law as the vast majority of nation states in the world have done including our European allies. Although we understand the frustration that Israelis must feel at the intractiblity of terrorism waged against them, we also understand the even greater frustration of the Palestinian people. If the use of violence were effective in resolving this complex issue in which both parties have played the role of victim and victimizer, the issue would have been resolved by now. We recognise that the Lebanese people are at the moment the most desperately in need of emergency humanitarian relief and we will do every thing we can to aid them at the diplomatic level and materially. We are also very concerned that any escalation of this crisis may explode into a vast regional war that would be a humanitarian catastrophy for the people of the middle east, including Israel, the world and ultimately this country as well. We must therefore call for an immediate and unconditional cease fire . Our call for a cease fire is a principled stance in accordance with international law. Our call for a cease fire WILL therefore remain regardless of whether the 2 parties heed that call or not. Any noncompliance with this call on the part of Hezbollah will not alter our position. Any noncompliance with this call by Israel will not alter our position. Any compliance on the part of Hezbollah and noncompliance by Israel will not alter our position. Any compliance on the part of Israel and noncompliance by Hezbollah will not alter our position. Our country is not a great player in the middle east however we can cast our vote--as most countries have --for a non violent lasting solution that addresses the root concerns of both parties however long and difficult that process may be.
 
fuzzylogix
#16
Excellent speech, Cortex! If only we could nominate you as prime minister instead of.....

I am not sure why ITN, you think that this video is proof of media bias. For a start, ALL news media is biased and every news item is clipped to present an often distorted view. That is why one must follow many different media sources to gain a truer perception of events. HOWEVER, if one really analyzes this video, one will see that clearly Christina got the gist of the message succinctly presented.

1. It is ridiculous for a politician to pretend that they do not consider polls. Each party spends a fortune on polling because it is so important to them. Granted they very rarely CHANGE their policies according to polls, but they do consider them carefully in order to spin doctor their speeches accordingly. As was clearly and carefully done in this speech to suck you in, ITN.

2. Harper's speech is worded to suggest that he is not swayed by any particular group. But then he clearly designates which group he is supporting and is supported by. He very neatly avoids any denial that he has support from Jewish organizations. He clearly tells us that he is fighting terrorism, and then tells us who the terrorists are- why, of course they are Arabs like we arrested in Toronto. Could he be any clearer? I agree, Christina should have presented the entire video so we could hear him so clearly declare his bias!!!!!

3. Harper tells us he is working for the benefit of Canadian strategic alliances. Which alliances are these??? He has clearly told us before that he is coordinating with US policy, which of course is pro Israel. So I guess we assume that this means he is pro Isael. How is it in the strategic interest of Canada to allow other human beings, no matter who they are to destroy each other. How is it in the strategic interest of Canada to wait a while before calling for immediate ceasefire???????

Let Harper come up with a speech like Cortex has written, and then I will criticize any reporter who clips it.
 
I think not
#17
First you flip……

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

I am not sure why ITN, you think that this video is proof of media bias.

Then you flop....

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

For a start, ALL news media is biased and every news item is clipped to present an often distorted view.

And you find this acceptable? If it were Fox News would you be writing a 3 paragraph post or just stating…”big surprise”?

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

That is why one must follow many different media sources to gain a truer perception of events. HOWEVER, if one really analyzes this video, one will see that clearly Christina got the gist of the message succinctly presented.

There is nothing to analyze, the video shows protestors (Arabs) and then queues Harper saying he doesn’t give a dam what they think. Can’t get any simpler than that.

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

1. It is ridiculous for a politician to pretend that they do not consider polls. Each party spends a fortune on polling because it is so important to them. Granted they very rarely CHANGE their policies according to polls, but they do consider them carefully in order to spin doctor their speeches accordingly. As was clearly and carefully done in this speech to suck you in, ITN.
2. Harper's speech is worded to suggest that he is not swayed by any particular group. But then he clearly designates which group he is supporting and is supported by. He very neatly avoids any denial that he has support from Jewish organizations. He clearly tells us that he is fighting terrorism, and then tells us who the terrorists are- why, of course they are Arabs like we arrested in Toronto. Could he be any clearer? I agree, Christina should have presented the entire video so we could hear him so clearly declare his bias!!!!!
3. Harper tells us he is working for the benefit of Canadian strategic alliances. Which alliances are these??? He has clearly told us before that he is coordinating with US policy, which of course is pro Israel. So I guess we assume that this means he is pro Isael. How is it in the strategic interest of Canada to allow other human beings, no matter who they are to destroy each other. How is it in the strategic interest of Canada to wait a while before calling for immediate ceasefire???????

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It’s so clear that you had to write three paragraphs of text to “explain” it to everybody else?

The overall point is that the CBC (or so many on the left like to say) has a “higher standard” of reporting, being that it sucks $1 billion of your taxes. The CBC is a publicly funded entity, it allegedly serves the people with what should be unbiased reporting. Which segment of the population was it “representing” here? If they are going to show news with a slant, then does it represent all Canadians?

Instead of making excuses, you should be appalled.
 
#juan
#18
Quote:

Kreskin wrote:
The old argument against the CBC is it's controlled by the government. Harper doesn't seem to be controlling it too well if this is clip is a concern. This should then put to rest the government controlled propoganda tool conspiracy theory.

Right Kreskin, during the liberal demise under Paul Martin, nobody was harder on the government than the CBC. If there is something screwy going on, the CBC should report it, and they do. Harper has adapted the American stance on the M.E. He will break his leg before he changes that. None of our news media has really hit Harper for the softwood lumber give away yet, but I hope they get to it soon.
 
fuzzylogix
#19
I am appalled by ALL news reporting. The news today is done with microchip clips because the attention span of society is registered in seconds now.

I obviously had to spend three paragraphs to explain it to YOU. You still dont seem to get that the clip succinctly presents a summary of Harper's speech. It is not misquoting Harper.

It is interesting that as an American you are so incensed by our news station- Why? Because it is apparently not reporting with a slant akin to your own views???? Who pays for the station is meaningless. A private news station is partly supported by public funds by virtue of tax benefits.

All news stations are biased. They choose the stories that they wish to emphasize and they choose the way in which they do it. The question is whether a news station is lying or changing events. I dont think the clip changes the intent of the speech. The station may have a bias in presenting leftist views, but on this occasion, I dont think that they misquoted Harper's ideas.
 
cortex
#20
Right on fuzzy. All we can do is try to help the likes of ITN---he or she is so gullible--we will just have to try harder.
 
I think not
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

I am appalled by ALL news reporting. The news today is done with microchip clips because the attention span of society is registered in seconds now.

If you're appalled by all news reporting, this should be no exception, but it obviously is, because it suits your bias perhaps? I think so.

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

I obviously had to spend three paragraphs to explain it to YOU. You still dont seem to get that the clip succinctly presents a summary of Harper's speech. It is not misquoting Harper.

All you did was try and spin and you are not very good at it.

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

It is interesting that as an American you are so incensed by our news station- Why? Because it is apparently not reporting with a slant akin to your own views???? Who pays for the station is meaningless. A private news station is partly supported by public funds by virtue of tax benefits.

I'm interested in seeing the reaction of Liberals. Considering that a good portion of the Canadian population is fixated on US news, I would suggest you find something else to bring up.

Tax benefits? What tax benefits? Do tell.

Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix

All news stations are biased. They choose the stories that they wish to emphasize and they choose the way in which they do it. The question is whether a news station is lying or changing events. I dont think the clip changes the intent of the speech. The station may have a bias in presenting leftist views, but on this occasion, I dont think that they misquoted Harper's ideas.

That's exactly what the CBC did, changed the perception of the events by means of omission.
 
Said1
#22
I think most news stations are controlled by their sponsors, who in turn support various different things.
 
Colpy
#23
I have to say, I am fed up with the CBC wasting my tax dollars.

Did you see the National from the far north last week? How many hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars did THAT bit of theatre cost us? To say nothing of broadcasting from the Calgary Stampede, Kabul, or wherever else the spirit moves them.

And yes, the CBC plays "gotcha" with every government, as they did with Martin, as they did with every scandal the Liberals had.

But they DO carry a left bias. Good Lord, have any of you ever listened to Neil MacDonald? And tell my CBC reporters wind up as government appointees under the Liberals so often? Communications ministers, media advisers, even Senators.

And, I have spoken before of the moment I became anti-CBC. The day before the 2000 election, the 3 PM Sunday CBC Radio newscast consisted almost entirely of a story about Caplan (then immigration minister) calling the Reform Party (pay attention now) "the party of racists and fascists". That lovely phrase "The Reform Party is the party of racists and fascists" was repeated in the story over and over and over for 2 or 3 minutes. It was ridiculous.

BTW, the actual occurance had been weeks earlier, and had been extensively covered at the time.

I knew then "THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH" had to go.
 
Finder
#24
heheheh the "PM met with his cacus" hehehe ok thats childish but..
 
tamarin
#25
I agree, Colpy! The Liberal Party has always been a party of hatemongers and the CBC and the press in general have acted as conduits for the bilge.
 
#juan
#26
And I get fed up with people blithering along as though Canada was the only country with a public broadcasting system. Every country in the G-8 has at least one public broadcasting network. Most have several. Every major country in the world has public broadcasting. If Izzy Asper had had his way, every radio and TV network in Canada would be controlled from Washington and Tel Aviv. That was not an anti-Semitic statement. When was the last time we heard anything remotely criticizing Israel on CTV, which Izzy did own.

Do these anti-CBC geniuses think we would get any kind of honest reporting if we sold the CBC to FOX or CNN? That is a joke. THe Americans can't even get honest reporting from the big networks. Does anybody remember all the "truth" we got regarding Private Jessica., or the young football player who was killed by his own people in Iraq? We got more truth from El Jezeera.(sp)

CBC represents Canada, and does it very well, regardless who is in power. The narrow minded detractors don't know that CBC broadcasts in the far north in seven different first nations languages, and I'm sure that costs us money as well but CBC is part of Canada. If some people don't like it, they can always go back to New York.
 
Kreskin
#27
Any news media that holds the government to the grindstone is ok in my books, regardless of the governing party ideology. The American media became a pack of cheerleaders on the road to the Iraq war. It was unpatriotic to hold anyone accountable . It wasn't until the war started and the missing intelligence became evident that anyone even asked a question.

No one said it would be a media rose garden for elected officials. If their actions hold up to the scrutiny that's wonderful. But unless that scrutiny exists the news organization is simply a propoganda tool.
 
gc
#28
I agree with Kreskin,
I think it's important for the media to be critical of any government, regardless of party, as a way to provide a "check and balance" and keep the Government as honest as possible. If the media started trying to defend the mistakes of the Liberals, such as the sponsorship scandal, then I would be troubled. If the CBC does have a liberal bias, at least they are still critical of the Liberals, much more so than fox news is critical of the bush administration.
 
athabaska
#29
CBC is floundering around not sure what its purpose is in a multi-media thousand channel world. I rarely turn it on aymore except for non-news presentatons on CBC radio.

The website is pathetic for all the money they spend on it. I don't watch CBC news..most of it is 'non-news' they feel obligated to broadcast. 'News' is a Canadian soldier being killed in Afghanistan and not CBC's hour coverage of his funeral service. Similarly they feel obligated to cover royal visits ad nauseum...first Nation conferences ad nauseum...and so on. Little actual journalism.

I always flip on CNN first, the Fox. 'If' there is a Canadian story going on then CTV. On the Internet I listen to news from around the world...especially the the source of the ongoing event. I've actually removed CBC from my bookmarks because I just don't go there anymore.

I'll watch the BBC portion on CBC Newsworld if it's relevent to a topic.

I don't know if there is anything 'wrong' with CBC as much as it had it's place and that place ended about a decade ago. The Peter Gzowsky show was a mainstay for years in our house and on the car radio. I can now access culture around the country and the world on my own and don't need Big Brother filling the role. There are still good cultural presentations on CBC but there are equally good presentations on a hundred other stations.

i just googled in CBC website. Headline:

"Troops mourn 5th Canadian soldier to die within week
Hundreds of soldiers from Canada and other NATO countries held a ceremony in southern Afghanistan on Monday to honour the fifth Canadian to die in a week. more »"

That's not journalism. Journalism is info on what's happening in Afghanistan and the hard-nosed facts and descriptions of the situation. what challeneges are our trops up against? We expect 'fluff' from high school papers.
 
Colpy
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by gc

I agree with Kreskin,
I think it's important for the media to be critical of any government, regardless of party, as a way to provide a "check and balance" and keep the Government as honest as possible. If the media started trying to defend the mistakes of the Liberals, such as the sponsorship scandal, then I would be troubled. If the CBC does have a liberal bias, at least they are still critical of the Liberals, much more so than fox news is critical of the bush administration.

That is true.......but there are simply too many connections between the CBC and the Liberal Party.........not quite right.
 
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