Did Muhammad foresee the End of Islam?


Machjo
#1
"The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosques will be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from them and to them will it return.' " -ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal
 
Jay
#2
Resembles the predicament they find themselves in right now....
 
FiveParadox
#3
To be frank, I agree with Jay.

In fact, I believe that the current Coalition of Muslims in Canada (the group formally protesting their Muslim brothers' and sisters' use of violence abroad) has made reference to such a situation — whereby some across the sea have lost the true essence of Islam, and are continuing under the same number, while actually following some perversion of the intended faith.
 
Machjo
#4
"Allah will not retract this knowledge by a withdrawal, [suddenly] withdrawing it from people's hearts, but He will retract knowledge by retracting the scholars, until, when He has left no scholar, people will take ignorant leaders, who will be asked, and will pronounce verdicts without knowledge, thus going astray and leading others astray." [Bukhari, Muslim]

"Indeed, among the signs of the Hour are that knowledge be sought with the petty ones." [Tabarani]

"What will be your situation when tribulation envelops you, in which a youngster will grow and the older one will become aged, and [the tribulation] will be taken as sunnah, such that if it is changed one day, it will be said, ‘This is wrong!’" Someone asked, "When is that?" He said, "When your trustworthy ones are few, and your leaders are many; when your jurists are few and your reciters are many, and knowledge is acquired for other than [the sake of] religion, and the world is sought through the deeds of the Hereafter." [Darimi, al-Hakim]

"This is [almost] the time when knowledge will be snatched from people, such that they will not be capable of [practising] any of it." [Tirmidhi (hasan gharib), al-Hakim, Darimi]

"Verily, you shall surely follow the pattern of those who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit, to the extent that if they entered a lizard’s hole, you would follow them." [Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad]

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah : While the Messenger of Allah D was talking, a Bedouin came and asked, "When is the Hour?" [The Prophet (may Allah bless him and his Household and grant them peace)] replied, "When trust is lost then await the Hour." [The Bedouin] asked, "How will its loss occur?" He replied, "When affairs are rested with those unworthy of [handling] them, then await the Hour." [Bukhari]

"There shall come upon people deceptive years, in which the liar will be regarded as truthful, the truthful one will be regarded as a liar, the treacherous one will be trusted, the trustworthy one will be mistrusted, and in which al-Ruwaybidah will speak." Someone asked, "What is al-Ruwaybidah?" He said, "A paltry man speaking about the affair/business of the general public." [Ahmad, Ibn Majah, al-Hakim]

"By He in Whose hand is my soul! The world shall not pass [away] before there comes upon people a day in which the murderer will not know why he has murdered, nor will the murdered one know why he has been killed." [Muslim]

"Time will contract (i.e. it will appear to be shorter, and its blessings will vanish, such that people will accomplish less in more time), knowledge will be lifted up, stinginess will be cast [into people’s hearts], tribulations will appear, and killing will be much." [Ahmad, Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud]

"Make haste to do [good] deeds before six [things] :
[1] the leadership of fools,
[2] the proliferation of police / government agents,
[3] the selling of judgement,
[4] blood being taken lightly,
[5] severance of [ties of] kinship,
[6] people who will take the Qur’an as music, sending ahead one of them to sing for them, even though he may be least of them in knowledge/understanding [of the religion]." [Ahmad, Tabarani]
 
Machjo
#5
It would seem the Prophet (PBUH) had clearly seen and foreseen the birth, rise, zenith, decline and END of Islam.
 
the caracal kid
#6
Globally, Islam is growing.
Globally, Christianity is shrinking.

While all of the monotheistics have references to their own ends, we are not going to witness the collapse of any of abraham's three bloody children anytime soon.
 
Machjo
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

Globally, Islam is growing.
Globally, Christianity is shrinking.

While all of the monotheistics have references to their own ends, we are not going to witness the collapse of any of abraham's three bloody children anytime soon.

From what I read of these ahadith, I don't think they were referring to the outward form of the religion. Sure mosques are being built, and people convertin, etc. And many Muslims aregood people. I think the meaning ehre was that the leadership of this faith has died. Not literally of course, but in spirit. Let's just look at the state of Islam today. It's a raging inferno.
 
the caracal kid
#8
Theocracy tends to have that effect.
 
Finder
#9
I agree theocracy does have that effect. As I have always said, the true worship of your god comes from yourself, not from showing up at church, or enforcing laws by church doctrine.

Here here!
 
Jay
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid

Globally, Islam is growing.
Globally, Christianity is shrinking.

While all of the monotheistics have references to their own ends, we are not going to witness the collapse of any of abraham's three bloody children anytime soon.

From what I read of these ahadith, I don't think they were referring to the outward form of the religion. Sure mosques are being built, and people convertin, etc. And many Muslims aregood people. I think the meaning ehre was that the leadership of this faith has died. Not literally of course, but in spirit. Let's just look at the state of Islam today. It's a raging inferno.

I don't think it is implying the end of Islam though, an age in Islam or the end of the world perhaps....
 
Finder
#11
BTW you can totally believe in God, Allah and the mighty cow god, and be seculer too! Absolute thought absoltely pisses me off!
 
Ali Mahdi
#12
Imam al-Mahdi (AJ) will come soon and revive true Islam! It will be very different from the Islam practiced by most people today!
 
FiveParadox
#13
I adore the viewpoint that you bring to the forefront on Canadian Content, Ali Mahdi. I urge you to continue to post here whenever possible — I love having the more innocent and moderate views posted here as opposed to the more extremist views propagated by news stories and the mainstream media.
 
Finder
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Ali Mahdi

Imam al-Mahdi (AJ) will come soon and revive true Islam! It will be very different from the Islam practiced by most people today!


Not all of us are ignorant. Though I do not like how sme people have perverted Islam to suite there own interests there is a lot of good in the Koran, and the Prophet did a lot of good during his time on earth for the people. People often forget how barbaric the area was and at the time of the Koran, the teachings of the Prophet gave many new rights to woman and other minorities. Though I think some may read into the Koran way too literally today, if you look at the Koran and take many of it's meanings and studying them properly it has many good lessions to learn even in todays society. Ever since I've read the Koran I have gone onto a halal diet. Though this was a personal choice and I'm not 100% why I chose to follow it.

I'm guessing by your post you are Shi'a?
 
Machjo
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Ali Mahdi

Imam al-Mahdi (AJ) will come soon and revive true Islam!

Some say He's already come.
 
jimmoyer
#16
If he is Shia, he's a minority in the muslim world.

Except for Iran and Iraq, the only shia majorities in
any muslim country.
 
FiveParadox
#17
Notwithstanding whether or not Shi'a Muslims are a majority of Muslims on Earth, I appreciate having a Muslim voice on Canadian Content. I value the opinion of Ali Mahdi — it is proof that extremist Islam is not the only facet of the faith.
 
Machjo
#18
Though I'm not a Muslim myself, I also believe in the Qur'an and Ahadith of the Madhhabi Ithna 'Ashari'a (Church of the Twelve, the largest of the Shi'a).

The difference, however, is that Baha'is believe that the prophecies of the Qur'an and Bible have already been fulfilled for the most part, and that Baha'u'llah is the Promissed One for this age.
 
Finder
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

Though I'm not a Muslim myself, I also believe in the Qur'an and Ahadith of the Madhhabi Ithna 'Ashari'a (Church of the Twelve, the largest of the Shi'a).

The difference, however, is that Baha'is believe that the prophecies of the Qur'an and Bible have already been fulfilled for the most part, and that Baha'u'llah is the Promissed One for this age.


Baha'i can't be considered Islamic even though they chose to believe parts of the Koran. One of the main problems here is one of the main beliefs of Islam is the belief that Mohammad was the last Prophet of God, often called the seal of the Prophets. Baha'i believe in many prophets, after the Prophet Mohammad which would not really make them Islamic. Though in the Koran there is a problem to this as well. In the Koran it says you can not denny someone from calling themselves a Muslim. So yeah...

jimmoyer, when I studied Islam, I was taught by Shia followers and went to a Shia Mosque. I think the main problem I have with Shia'ism or at least conservative Shia'ism is the stupidity behind the self mutilation. Also a problem with Shia'ism, Suni'ism and Wahabism is the none-Islamic traditions which have been added for no reason but are followed as if they are apart of the Koran and religion.

I think if you interrupt the Koran on a De'ist level, Islam fits well into modern society. But in the East and even in other parts of the world there is strong and sometimes only conservative and ultra conservative interruptions.
 
Machjo
#20
Baha'i can't be considered Islamic

In a sence tht's true. We folow our own sacred texts.

even though they chose to believe parts of the Koran.

Not accurate. We accept the entire Qur'an in the same way as Christians accept teh Old Testament. We believe it's prophecies have been fulfilled and it's laws abrogated.

One of the main problems here is one of the main beliefs of Islam is the belief that Mohammad was the last Prophet of God, often called the seal of the Prophets.

Ah, yes, "Al-Khatam-Al-Nabiyin", the Seal of the Prophets. There is a catch here, however. The Imams had also said "Muhammad our first! Muhammad our last! Muhammad our all!

Jesus had likewise said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and teh last, the beginning and the end".

So yes, Muhammad is the last of the prophets, yet He is also the first, as is Jesus. Yet Muhammad had likewise stated numerous times in the Qur'an, "No distinction do we make between any of our Messengers". This would seem to confirm the earlier statements of Jesus and Muhammad relating to the idea that the beginning and the end are one.


Baha'i believe in many prophets, after the Prophet Mohammad which would not really make them Islamic.

That's the main difference between Baha'is and Muslims. The same main difference distinguishing Muslims from Christians and Christians from Jews.

Though in the Koran there is a problem to this as well. In the Koran it says you can not denny someone from calling themselves a Muslim. So yeah...

We must be careful with terminology here. The English words Muslim and "He/One/She who submits" are both translated as Muslimun (-un mearely being a grammatical suffix indecating the indefinite nominative). So did it mean Muslim as in one who abides by the social teachings of faith founded by the Prophet Muhammad, or did it mean, quite simply, "one who submits"?

jimmoyer, when I studied Islam, I was taught by Shia followers and went to a Shia Mosque. I think the main problem I have with Shia'ism or at least conservative Shia'ism is the stupidity behind the self mutilation.

But did Islam approve of self mutilation? I doubt it. And even if it did, it wouldn't apply to baha'is any more than the Gospel applies to Muslims or the Old Testament to Christians.

Also a problem with Shia'ism, Suni'ism and Wahabism is the none-Islamic traditions which have been added for no reason but are followed as if they are apart of the Koran and religion.

That is a big problem which has also infiltrated deeply into islamic theology today.

I think if you interrupt the Koran on a De'ist level, Islam fits well into modern society. But in the East and even in other parts of the world there is strong and sometimes only conservative and ultra conservative interruptions.

Well, again, for a Baha'i this is now a non-issue sinse we believe the laws of the Qur'an to have been replaced with hew laws for a new era.
 
Finder
#21
Machjo, don't get me wrong, Baha'i is very easyily a De'ist religion and I respect it on that level. It's acceptance of other religions really makes it a modern religion. BUT at the same time Baha'i can not be considered Islamic. Though your reasoning and your understanding of the Koran may allow you to believe it so, it is widely translated as the Prophet Mohammad being THE last prophet and the passage you have given is widely accepted as accepting any prophet of god (Allah) BEFORE the Prophet Mohammad, and not after.

So no I even as a Deist could not consider Baha'i as a Islamic based religion though it uses the scripturers and some of the practicies it does not follow the five pillers of Islam properly.

Though I agree with you again on what you said about Shia'ism. One of the reason's why I didn't convert actually. Islam as practiced by the vast magority of it's followers is just not acceptable to my personal belief system. However Islam as a Deist religion is and I accept it as such.
 
Machjo
#22
Sorry, Finder, I think there is a misunderstanding here then. It is true that the Baha'i Faith is distinct from Islam just as Islam is from Chrsitianity. Just as a Muslim would never call himself a Christian, so a Baha'i would generally not call himself a Muslim. Now a Muslim might accept the Gospel, but will clearly not interpret it in the same light as a typical Christian pastor would. That's for certain. In the same way, a Baha'i, while not at all questioning the authority of the Qur'an and Ahadith of the Madhhabi Ithna Ashari'a, it does understand them in a very different way from how a typical Mullah might understand them. Some of the ways we understand the Qur'an would be viewed as blasphemy within certain Muslim circles (in fact in Iran, Baha'is' lives are always in jeapardy since they can be accused of appostacy at any time, the argument being that by accepting the words of Muhammad but adopting a different faith amounts to apostacy which the current iranian regime has chosen to interpret as being punishable by death!) just as the way Muslims might interpret the Gospel might be viewed as blasphemous in Christian circles. So without a doubt you are correct in saying that the Baha'i Faith is not abranch of Islam but a completely independant religion in its own right. I am not disputing that at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by Finder

Machjo, don't get me wrong, Baha'i is very easyily a De'ist religion and I respect it on that level. It's acceptance of other religions really makes it a modern religion. BUT at the same time Baha'i can not be considered Islamic. Though your reasoning and your understanding of the Koran may allow you to believe it so, it is widely translated as the Prophet Mohammad being THE last prophet and the passage you have given is widely accepted as accepting any prophet of god (Allah) BEFORE the Prophet Mohammad, and not after.

So no I even as a Deist could not consider Baha'i as a Islamic based religion though it uses the scripturers and some of the practicies it does not follow the five pillers of Islam properly.

Though I agree with you again on what you said about Shia'ism. One of the reason's why I didn't convert actually. Islam as practiced by the vast magority of it's followers is just not acceptable to my personal belief system. However Islam as a Deist religion is and I accept it as such.

 
zoofer
#23
I saw this on a Middle Eastern website.
Quote:

A MESSAGE FOR THE NON-MUSLIMS, AFTER WHICH THEY ARE NOT EXCUSED BY IGNORANCE

Dear Reader,
The purpose of this message is to invite you to think of and contemplate about the real purpose of your life on this earth and where you will end up in the Hereafter. Will you end up in Paradise or in Hell-Fire? Please, take note, that when you have read this message, you are considered to have legislatively been given proof and been informed of the admonition of all messengers, and after which you will not be excused by ignorance:

Take note that Allah the Almighty is the One and Only God. He is Eternal. He is Absolute. He has not begotten and has not been begotten and no one is like Him.

Allah says: “Say: He is Allah, the One; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.” Surah No.112, Verses 1-4.
Allah says: “He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees.” Surah No. 42, Verse No. 11.

Learn that Allah the Almighty is the Creator of all creatures. There is no god for this universe and what it holds but Allah.

Allah says: “Allah is the Creator Of all things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs.” Surah No.39 Verse 62.
Allah says: “Such is Allah, your Lord, The Creator of all things, there is no god but He: Then how you are deluded away from the Truth!” Surah No.40, Verse No.62.
Allah says:“To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and earth: To Allah do all matters return.” Surah No.3 Verse No. 109.


Be informed that Allah the Almighty has created you for one single purpose which is to worship Him alone.

Allah says: “I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me”. Surah No.51 Verse No. 56.
Allah says: “And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to give zakat (i.e. charity given to the needy); and that is the Religion Right and Straight”. Surah No.98, Verse No. 5.

Understand that it is out of sincerity and purity of worship to Allah to avoid worshipping the created whoever and whatever they may be.

Allah says:“Certainly they disbelieve who say: “(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah, - Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.” Surah No. 5, Verse No. 72.
Allah says:“Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any (false god).” Surah No 72, Verse No. 20.
Allah says: “Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is one God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.” Surah No. 18, Verse No. 110.
Allah says: “Those to whom We have given the Book rejoice at what hath been revealed unto thee: but there are among the clans those who reject a part thereof. Say: "I am commanded to worship Allah, and not to join partners with Him. Unto Him do I call, and unto Him is my return.” Surah No. 13, Verse No. 36.

Learn that he, who worships Allah joining with Him another whoever or whatever it may be, has associated partners with Allah and consequently his deeds will turn fruitless and he will be among the losers.

Allah says: “But it has already been revealed to thee, - as it was to those before thee, - “if thou wert to join (gods with Allah), truly fruitless will be thy work (in life), and thou wilt surely be among the losers.” Surah No. 29, Verse No. 65.
Allah says: “This is the Guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth, of His servants if they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them.” Surah No. 6, Verse No.88.

Take note that Allah the Almighty sent all Prophets and Messengers to reinforce and remind people that there is no god but Allah. That is nothing is worthy of being worshipped but Allah.

Allah says: “For we assuredly sent amongst every people a Messenger, (with the command), “serve Allah, and eschew Evil”: of the people were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).” Surah No.16, Verse No. 36.

Allah says: “Not a messenger did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me.” Surah 21 Verse 25. There is no prophet who said to his people but: “We sent Noah to his people. He said: “O my people! Worship Allah! Ye have no other god but Him. I fear for you the Punishment of a dreadful Day!” Surah No. 7, Verse No. 59.

Be informed that having faith and believing in all Prophets and Messengers is a must. If anyone rejects faith or doesn’t believe one Prophet or Messenger of Allah’s the Almighty, they are rejecting faith in Allah and disbelieving Him and all His Prophets and Messengers.

Allah says: “The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith, each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. “We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of his Messengers.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (we seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 285.
Allah says: “‘Verily it has been revealed to us that the Chastisement (awaits) those who reject and turn away.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 48.
Allah says: “And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects the Truth when it reaches him? Is there not a home in Hell for those who reject Faith?” Surah No.29, Verse No. 68.
Allah says: “Those who reject the Book and the (revelations) with which we sent Our messengers: but soon shall they know.” Surah No. 40, Verse No. 70.


Be informed that Muhammad bin Abudullah bin Abdullmutalib (Peace and Blessings of Allah Be Upon Him) (PBBUH ) is the Messenger of Allah, who was sent by Allah as mercy to the worlds, giving glad tidings and warnings and that he is the seal of all Prophets and messengers and there is no Prophet after him.

Allah says: “Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the Messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 144.
Allah says: “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures),-in the Taurat and the Gospel; - for he commands them what is just and Forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure): He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him, - it is they who will prosper.” Surah No. 7, verse No. 157.
Allah says: “Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to who belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He that giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger. The unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words, follow him that (so) ye may be guided.” Surah No. 7, Verse No. 158.
Allah says: “Now hath come to you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that you should suffer, ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers is he most kind and merciful”. Surah No. 9, Verse No. 128.
Allah says: “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.” Surah No. 33, Verse No. 40.
Allah says: “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah…” Surah No 48, Verse No. 29.
Allah says: “And remember, Jesus, the Son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Taurat (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad. But when he came to them with Clear Signs, They said, “This is evident sorcery!” Surah No.61, Verse No.6.


Take note that Allah the Almighty revealed to Muhammad (PBBUH) the Holy Quran which is the word of Allah and which contains Guidance and Light for the worlds. It has also explanation of everything.

Allah says: “Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down The Qur’an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and wrong) so every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spent it in fasting, but if anyone is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you: He does not want to put you to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” Surah No.2, Verse No.185.
Allah says: “Say: “What thing is most weighty in evidence?” say: “Allah is witness between me and you; this Qur’an hath been revealed to me by inspiration. That I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?” say: “Nay! I cannot bear witness!” Surah No. 6, Verse No. 19.
Allah says: “Verily this Quran doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the glad tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward.” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 9.
Allah says: “We send down (stage by stage) of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 82.
Allah says: “As for thee, thou receives the Quran from One All-Wise, All-Knowing.” Surah No. 27, Verse No. 6.
Allah says: “And We have explained to man, in this Quran, every kind of similitude: yet greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with gratitude!” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 89.


Appreciate that the Holy Quran, which was revealed to Allah’s Prophet (PBBUH), has been the Greatest Evident Miracle Ever. It is continuing and everlastingly challenging all mankind gathered together to produce something like it or like one of its Surahs.

Allah says: “Say: ‘if the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.’” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 88.
Allah says: “And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witness or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah, if ye are truthful.” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 23.


Be informed that Allah has ordered all mankind no matter what their colours, sexes; languages may be to believe in Muhammad the Prophet (PBBUP), follow him and obey him. He who obeys the Prophet (PBBUH) obeys Allah and consequently he will be on the right path; and; he who disobeys the Prophet (PBBUH), disobeys Allah and consequently he will be on the wrong path.

Allah says: “Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger”: but if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject faith.” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 32.
Allah says: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).” Surah No. 8, Verse No. 20.
Allah says: “He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah…” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 80.
Allah says: “Say: “if ye do love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most merciful.” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 31.


Take note that he who hears of Muhammad the Prophet (PBBUH) and neither believes in him nor follows him is a disbeliever in Allah, rejecting faith in Him and consequently worthy to be tortured on the Day of Judgement.

Allah says: “We know indeed the grief which their words do cause thee: It is not thee they reject: It is the Signs of Allah, which the wicked deny.” Surah No. 6, Verse No. 33.
Allah says: “On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth were made one with them: but never will they hide a single fact from Allah!” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 42.
Allah says: “If anyone contends with the Messenger even after Guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men to Faith, we shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- What an evil refuge!” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 115.

The Prophet (PBBUH) says: “By the One in whose hands Muhammad’s soul is, if anyone, anywhere in the world, whether a Jew or Christian hears of me and dies without believing in my Message will definitely be amongst those in Hell-Fire.” (Muslim)


Take note that the Religion before Allah is Islam and it is the religion of all Prophets and Messengers. No religion is accepted of anyone but Islam.
Allah says: “And Abraham enjoined upon his sons and so did Jacob;” Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the state of submission (to Me).” Surah No. 2, Verse No.132.
Allah says: “The Religion before Allah is Islam..” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 19.
Allah says: “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost.” Surah No. 3, Verse No.85.


Be informed that resurrection after death is coming and absolutely true; the Hour is coming and absolutely true and the accountability on doomsday is absolutely true.

Allah says: “Lost indeed are they who treat it as a falsehood that they must meet Allah, - until on a sudden the Hour is on them, and they say: “Ah! Woe unto us that we neglected; for they bear their burdens on their backs, and evil indeed are the burdens that they bear?” Surah No. 6 Verse No. 31.

Allah says: “Verily the Hour is coming- I have almost kept it hidden- for every soul to receive its reward by the measure of its Endeavour.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 15.
Allah says: “And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it, or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves.” Surah No. 22, Verse No. 7.
Allah says: “The Unbelievers say, “Never to us will come the Hour”: say, “Nay! But most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;…” Surah No 34, Verse No. 3.
Allah says: “The Hour will certainly come: therein is no doubt: yet most men believe not.” Surah No. 40, Verse No. No. 59.
Allah says: “Again, on the Day of Judgement, will ye be raised up.” Surah No. 23, Verse No. 16.
Allah says:“Allah is never unjust in the least degree: if there is any good (done), He doubleth it, and giveth from His Own self a great reward.” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 40.
Allah says: “Then shall anyone who has done an atom’s weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom’s weight of evil, shall see it.” Surah No. 99, Verses Nos. 7-8.

Learn that Paradise and its bounties are absolutely true, therein everlasting goodness and bounties of which no ear has ever heard of, or an eye has ever seen or a mind has ever been able to imagine. All this has been prepared Allah’s righteous believers.

Allah says: “The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised! - beneath it flow rivers; perpetual is the fruits therof and the shade therein: such is the End of the Righteous and the End of the Unbelievers is the Fire.” Surah No. 13, Verse No. 35.
Allah says: “But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow, every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: “Why, this what we were fed with before,” for that are given things in similitude; and they have therein spouses purified; and they abide therein (forever).” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 25.
Allah says: “But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness- to them shall We give a Home in Heaven, - lofty mansions beneath which flow rivers, -to dwell therein for aye; an excellent reward for those who do (good)!” Surah No. 29, Verse No. 58.
Allah says: “Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that they do.” Surah No. 36, Verse No. 55.
Allah says: “(Here is) the description of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water unstaling; rivers of Milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Forgiveness from their Lord, (can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell fro ever in the Fire and be given to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?” Surah No.47, Verse No. 15.
Allah says: “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.” Surah No.3 Verse No 133.
Allah says: “Be ye foremost (in seeking) forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers: that is the Grace of Allah, which He bestows on whom He pleases: and Allah is the Lord of Grace abounding.” Surah No. 57, Verse No. 21.


Learn that the Hell fire is absolutely true; its torture in is true; and fierce. It has a torture that is extremely fierce, harsh, and perpetual. Its torture is something that no ear has ever heard of, or an eye has ever seen or a mind has ever been able to imagine. All this has been prepared for those who associate partners with Allah and who made it false to believe in Allah.

Allah says: “Know they not that for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger is the Fire of Hell? - Wherein they shall dwell. That is the supreme disgrace.” Surah No.9, Verse No. 63.
Allah says: “…on the Day of Judgement we shall gather them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire.” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 97.
Allah says: “And We shall drive the sinners to hell, (like thirsty cattle driven down to water)” Surah No. 19, Verse No. 86.
Allah says: “Verily he who comes to his Lord as a sinner (at Judgement), -for him is Hell: therein shall he neither die nor live.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 74.
Allah says: “But those who reject (Allah) - for them will be the Fire of Hell: not term shall be determined for them, so they should die, nor shall its Chastisement be lightened for them. Thus do WE reward every ungrateful.” Surah No. 35, Verse No. 36.

Allah says: “The Unbelievers will be led to Hell in groups: until, when they arrive there, its gates will be opened. And its Keepers will say, “Did not messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing to you the Signs of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?” The answer will be: “True: but the Decree of Chastisement has been proved true against the Unbelievers!” Surah No. 39, Verse No. 71.


Take note that if you die believing in the oneness of God and in Muhammad (PBBUH), Allah’s last Messenger, you will be amongst those who will be saved and led into Paradise to live in its bounties for ever.

Allah says: “But such as come to Him as Believers who have worked righteous deeds, for them are ranks exalted.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 75.


Whereas, if you die associating partners with Allah, disbelieving in Him and rejecting faith in Him, you will be among those who will be in Hell Fire for ever and ever.

Allah says: “But whosoever turns away from My Message, verily for him is a life narrowed down, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Judgement.” Surah No. 20, Verse 124.
Allah says: “And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns way therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) retribution.” Surah No. 32, Verse no. 22.
Allah says: “Verily he who comes to his Lord as a sinner (at Judgement),-for him is Hell: therein shall he neither die nor live.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 74
Allah says: “…and if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 217

Be informed that there is no force in religion; the right path is clear and the wrong path is clear. So after you have read and thought of and contemplated about the above message, you will not be excused by ignorance. As the warnings and message of all messengers have now reached you, you will be brought to account and be accountable on the Day of Judgment when there is no benefit for money or children but only for those who will come with good deeds and clear hearts.
Finally take note that the devils of mankind and Jinn’s and the wicked of the learned among them are scheming day and night to prevent you from listening to this message and to any other message that speaks of the Truth.

We pray to Allah that He helps you find the right path and guide you to what pleases Him

Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds

 
Machjo
#24
"So no I even as a Deist could not consider Baha'i as a Islamic based religion though it uses the scripturers and some of the practicies it does not follow the five pillers of Islam properly. "

Just a clarification here. It's not a question of not following the five pillars of Islam properly; it's a question of not following them at all!

The Baha'i Faith is in fact a distinct religion with its own calendar, fasting month, revealed prayers, scriptures, history, laws, et.c etc. etc. Just as Muslims don;t even strive to follow the laws of the gospel, or Christians the laws of the Old testament, so baha'is likewsie have no obligation to abide by any Islamic law unless mentionned otherwise in our revealed texts. We believe the law of Islam has been fulfilled in the same way a Muslim believes the law of the Gospel has, or a Christian the law of the Torah.
 
Machjo
#25
"A MESSAGE FOR THE NON-MUSLIMS, AFTER WHICH THEY ARE NOT EXCUSED BY IGNORANCE "

So this guy claims to know the mind of God? No arrogance there.
 
Finder
#26
Agreed then. But I have known some Baha'i to claim to be Muslim in the past that's why I'm making the point it is not one in the same.
 
Finder
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

"A MESSAGE FOR THE NON-MUSLIMS, AFTER WHICH THEY ARE NOT EXCUSED BY IGNORANCE "

So this guy claims to know the mind of God? No arrogance there.

You should see the evangelical christians in the USA, well anywhere, they are just as bad. Hell all you have to do is watch one show of Jack Van Impy presents to get pissed off for his arrogance. I think I watch the show just to get angry at the guy. He has the exact same proplem as these radical clerics in the middle east. Ignorance, of there own religion.
 
Dexter Sinister
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Ali Mahdi

Imam al-Mahdi (AJ) will come soon and revive true Islam! It will be very different from the Islam practiced by most people today!

Why should anyone believe that's any more likely than the long-promised second advent of Jesus? Judaism's waiting for a savior too.

Anybody see a pattern here? Looks like wishful thinking to me.
 
Jay
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Ali Mahdi

I, and most Muslims, don't have a problem with Jews, (in general), it's the Zionists we hate. Jews can stay in Palestine, we just want "Israel" destroyed so there can be peace, and ONE state for Palestinians and Jews that doesn't discriminate on the basis of race and religion.


Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Notwithstanding whether or not Shi'a Muslims are a majority of Muslims on Earth, I appreciate having a Muslim voice on Canadian Content. I value the opinion of Ali Mahdi — it is proof that extremist Islam is not the only facet of the faith.

 
Machjo
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Finder

Agreed then. But I have known some Baha'i to claim to be Muslim in the past that's why I'm making the point it is not one in the same.

That is true, but it has to do with a particular interpretation of the word.

Baha'is believe that the Baha'i Faith is a renewal (or renaissance or rebirth if you will) of Islam, just as Islam was a renewal of Christianity or Christianity of Judaism. As such, when a Baha'i says he's a Muslim, or Christian, or Jew, etc., his meaning is that in a spiritual sense he is, (i.e, he believes in the religion) but not necessarily in social sense (i.e., he doesn't believe the social laws of that faith are pertinent to this day and age). I personally prefer not to use such terms according to such definitions since they only lead to confusion, as was the case with you. After all, when most people hear the word 'Muslim', they think of a person who abides by the social laws of the Qur'an today. But unfortunately, some Baha'is do use the definition described above. But hopefully, when they do, they ought to at least explain the definition of the word as they are using it at that time. And hopefully Baha'is will stop using the word in that sense eventually.
 
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