Nationalism vs Patriotism (Nationalism Vs Patriotism)


Curiosity
#31
Vanni Fucci

People are willing to believe anything...

I think we all have an well-developed system of denial as well.

People are more concerned with self-survival/comfort than anything lofty such as ideals.

The belief system works its way into rationalizing how "we wish" things to be in our world. That in itself is denial if we are wrong.

Then of course there are those who are never wrong.

I am one who is usually wrong.
 
Said1
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

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No, it was directed at Jay, actually... :P

I don't think I've ever actually called you a neocon, although at times I may have thought it...

Just checking.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci


I think attitude is a big part of the response to which I was referring, but it could also manifest itself in the form of ones actions or system of beliefs...and people are so damn gullible, they're willing to believe anything...

LOL. Got ya.
 
I think not
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Wednesday's Child

I am one who is usually wrong.

Perhaps, but I least I can understand you all the time
 
Curiosity
#34
ITN

You are kind - thanks! :P
 
Kathianne
#35
Patriotism-love of country's ideals and values.'

Nationalism-Superiority of the inhabitants of the country, based on a superior people and past history.
 
Said1
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Kathianne

Patriotism-love of country's ideals and values.'

Nationalism-Superiority of the inhabitants of the country, based on a superior people and past history.

Figures YOU would say that.

Man, I think I just set another record.

Who's the masochist now?
 
I think not
#37
Me thinks Said1 knows something we don't?
 
Said1
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Me thinks Said1 knows something we don't?

Yep. Welcome Kathianne. We're trying to avoid melt down elsewhere. We need to be pulled back from the proverbial edge, and fast!

I think Toro has had the pleasure of her aquaintence though.
 
I think not
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Me thinks Said1 knows something we don't?

Yep. Welcome Kathianne. We're trying to avoid melt down elsewhere. We need to be pulled back from the proverbial edge, and fast!

I think Toro has had the pleasure of her aquaintence though.

Ooooo, gossip....do tell :P
 
Said1
#40
Let's just say a discussion on nationalsim between myself and a self-proclaimed nationalist-neocon it NOT a good idea. Anyone who would identify themselves as such has to give you an idea as to how things are going. We're on day three now.
 
I think not
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Let's just say a discussion on nationalsim between myself and a self-proclaimed nationalist-neocon it NOT a good idea. Anyone who would identify themselves as such has to give you an idea as to how things are going. We're on day three now.

Dam, I so love long conversations, can I join? :P
 
Said1
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Let's just say a discussion on nationalsim between myself and a self-proclaimed nationalist-neocon it NOT a good idea. Anyone who would identify themselves as such has to give you an idea as to how things are going. We're on day three now.

Dam, I so love long conversations, can I join? :P

I'll pm you. But be warned, it isn't pretty.
 
Vanni Fucci
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Me thinks Said1 knows something we don't?

Yep. Welcome Kathianne. We're trying to avoid melt down elsewhere. We need to be pulled back from the proverbial edge, and fast!

I think Toro has had the pleasure of her aquaintence though.

Which would be why I haven't come out and proclaimed your neoconservativism, because I believe you can be saved...at least from yourself...

Sorry, I'm fecking drunk, and you'll have to forgive me, or fecking not...
 
FiveParadox
#44
On a sidenote, one might think that alcohol and politics don't mix — but since our first Prime Minister was a chronic drunk, I suppose that would have disproven that particular theory.

More to the topic at hand, to sum up my earlier points, patriotism is good in moderation, and nationalism is good in moderation. Both are bad if not there at all, or if applied too radically.
 
Said1
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Me thinks Said1 knows something we don't?

Yep. Welcome Kathianne. We're trying to avoid melt down elsewhere. We need to be pulled back from the proverbial edge, and fast!

I think Toro has had the pleasure of her aquaintence though.

Which would be why I haven't come out and proclaimed your neoconservativism, because I believe you can be saved...at least from yourself...

Sorry, I'm *censored* drunk, and you'll have to forgive me, or *censored* not...

I assure you, I'm not a neocon. I am, however, very conservative by nature, or right leaning to those who like labels. I do believe in family and tradtion (those tradtions don't have to be mine, I just think they're important, regardless of what they are) and judging things largely from how they've played out in the past and adapting to change slowely. I've been like that my entire life. Why my own mother used to laugh at me, constantly saying I was "soooooo, conservative" and roll her eyes as she laced up her combat boots. Oh the pain of it, me own Ma! *sniff, sniff*

But really, Vanni, I'm kinda.....uuuuh...... flustered. I had no idea you followed and analyzed my posts so closely. You must like me, REALLY like me. :P
 
Said1
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox


More to the topic at hand, to sum up my earlier points, patriotism is good in moderation, and nationalism is good in moderation. Both are bad if not there at all, or if applied too radically.

Good summation. Both have their uses, but in moderation.
 
Kathianne
#47
Hi Tracy! Thanks for the welcome! I did avoid meltdown, for how long remains to be seen.

I don't think there is moderation possible in 'Nationalism'. On the other hand, patriotism is not in and of itself bad.
 
Said1
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Kathianne

Hi Tracy! Thanks for the welcome! I did avoid meltdown, for how long remains to be seen.

I don't think there is moderation possible in 'Nationalism'. On the other hand, patriotism is not in and of itself bad.

Hey, Neeewwwb!

You're totally wrong of course! Just kidding.
 
Kathianne
#49
Hey catch the sig, DeGaulle no less!
 
Said1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by Kathianne

Hey catch the sig, DeGaulle no less!

DeGaulle? Ha, must have been drunk when he said it.
 
Kathianne
#51
I knew you would appreciate!
 

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