I would rather live my life as if there is a God (I Would Rather Live My Life As If There Is A God)


iamcanadian
#1
I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#2
Christ. That's deep. I might try that. Does that include following commandments and what not?
 
Reverend Blair
#3
I'd rather live my life without worrying about an invisible man in the sky watching my every move.
 
Roy
#4
Believing in god sometimes makes you think twice. Like if you are going to do something you know is really wrong but then you beileve that you will be punished later for it then you might refrain. I dunno it has kept me outta trouble quite abit, but everyone is different. I am not some kind of religious freak, and I don't belive on pushing my belief onto others, and I also don't like the no-god people pushing theirs on mine.
 
Summer
#5
The first post is nothing more than a restatement of Pascal's Wager.
 
bhoour
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

I'd rather live my life, to the fullest , ,......... then die.
than not live my life , by second guessing things , because someone told me I should, and then die anyways.
 
Reverend Blair
#7
Quote:

The first post is nothing more than a restatement of Pascal's Wager.

Did he win?

Quote:

Believing in god sometimes makes you think twice. Like if you are going to do something you know is really wrong but then you beileve that you will be punished later for it then you might refrain.

I can honestly say that I've been a better Christian since I became an atheist than I was when I was a Catholic. I kind of miss going to confession and scaring the priest though.
 
Summer
#8
Rev,

Last time I checked, nobody won that wager.

As for your being a "better Christian" since becoming an atheist, I've noticed a major tendency in that direction among people in general. Funny, isn't it? For example, I've been a much better follower of Jesus' teachings since becoming a Pagan than I was before that happened.
 
iamcanadian
#9
But then what are the limits on what one can do?
 
Summer
#10
Why do you need limits? As long as it harms no one, do what thou wilt. Basically, all you really need is the golden rule.
 
bhoour
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

But then what are the limits on what one can do?



Moral limits.....
....you can be a nice person, even if you don't believe in "god".

'magine..........
 
Reverend Blair
#12
Quote:

But then what are the limits on what one can do?

There are no limits but those you put on yourself either way. No god, no confessor though...you have to live with yourself.
 
Ocean Breeze
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

with due respect............this sounds a lot like "insurance". or hedging one's bets.

What would happen if you die and find out there is??? The only thing that it will determine is WHAT "God" really is".....and not much more.... *unless one is bound by the FEAR , WRATHS of a "God"... and has defined "God" as a punitive /angry sort of chap....(humanoid???) entity......who takes his /her vengence out on simple earthlings called humanoids.

One does not even know for certain (and CANNOT know) if ones individual consciousness /personality /memory is ??? transported into a realm of beyond that preserves the same memory , consciousness. One does not know if this new format of consciousness (IF there is one) continues to change and grow and evolve into another dimension......or sits on the couch all day doing just what pleases them.

Having examined many "belief " systems .....I choose to follow NONE. but to live each day to the most productive, CONSTRUCTIVE, AND POSITIVE level one can. All we have is this moment in time.....and that is the reality of life. The unknowns such as the after death situation will become known to us soon enough....... and if there is something post life as we know it......fine . If not......( for eg.....if it is like that nothingness that exists while one is under anesthetic for surgery)......fine too. Maybe too many WANT there to be something after this life to give meaning to THIS life. Don't work that way for YT......as the real meaning exists in the life of the present, the life full of imagination, creativity, and potential.and exploration. Some unknowns remain unknown..........and others are there for us as humans to explore and learn about. But the upshot is : LIFE is the only real VALUABLE treasure each of us have....and what we do with it ........the errors we make, the positives we create ....are all part of the aventure called "Life".

just some (many?? ) thoughts on this.
 
iamcanadian
#14
That's scary Rev. You say you have no limits on what you can do. What stops you from doing anything then?

Do you have a conscience?
 
Summer
#15
Conscience is a guide, not a limit.
 
iamcanadian
#16
Conscience is a guide and a limit. A conscience stops one from robbing some old lady in crutches I'd bet.
<snip - personal attack. Cosmo>
 
bhoour
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

That's scary Rev. You say you have no limits on what you can do. What stops you from doing anything then?

Do you have a conscience?

What's scary is that you need a "god" to set limits for you. You feel an imaginary being stops you from going beyond limits that were set up for you, in a book, by somebody else .

Do you have a conscience?
 
Summer
#18
Iam, a conscience does not require a god, and a guide by itself can perform the function of restricting one from doing evil deeds. The difference lies in whether the guidance comes from within or from without. That which comes from within is far more powerful than that from without, because when it comes from within it means that one has truly CHOSEN to do what is right from one's own free will, rather than from any fear of retribution or punishment. An external fear can be overcome far more readily than an internal conviction, and indeed, there is more impetus to do so.
 
Ocean Breeze
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

That's scary Rev. You say you have no limits on what you can do. What stops you from doing anything then?

Do you have a conscience?


if I may............there is nothing but the law and one's own personal values that guide /limit what one can do.

You CAN drive insanely DRUNK.......and kill a person/s but there are consequences of this behavior. Not only how one feels about it after but the consequence of law. No one is going to stop you. (that is an example) Some people do not have the ability to feel remorse and this cannot be implanted in them.

One CAN Do anything they want. they can kill, rape, maim, torture, and gosh knows what else.....and they can assist, guide , motivate, be constructively productive,humanitarian etc. It is also about CHOICES......and the motives behind their choices.

as far as "conscience" goes........there are people that are born without such an entity and they are called psychopaths., sociopaths , personality disorders. One cannot evaluate each person using one criteria. That is the joy, the pain and the complexity of the human being.


but even if they lack what is called the conscience.......that does not mean that they do not know "right" from "wrong'----legal from illegal, ---or ethical from unethical. The knowledge is there. but either ignored or their actions are "justified" to themselves by themselves.
 
iamcanadian
#20
I think your problem is missunderstanding the concept of God.

I like to think God is my conscience and conscience is my god. It has nothing necessarily to do with a book anyone wrote.

Even Rev here believes in the concept of God. Only he believes that he is God; hence his use of the term "being able to live with himself" as the only limit to what he can do.

This is what's scary. A lot of people think that way. So this also explains some of the social problems we have today, as people think they are god more and more.

People around them are then subject to whatever influnces that person had (good and bad) in their lives which shaped what they are willing, or able, to live with themselves with.

A lot of what we each experience is subject to the experiences that other people had in their lives which where beyond our control. So we all better start thinking more about what other people are doing to other people; since their independant experiences will inevitably, eventually, come back to haught all of us in one way of another. Look at 9/11 for example.
 
Summer
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

I think your problem is missunderstanding the concept of God.

I like to think God is my conscience and conscience is my god. It has nothing necessarily to do with a book anyone wrote.

Even Rev here believes in the concept of God. Only he believes that he is God; hence his use of the term "being able to live with himself" as the only limit to what he can do.

This is what's scary. A lot of people think that way. So this also explains some of the social problems we have today, as people think they are god more and more.

People around them are then subject to whatever influnces that person had (good and bad) in their lives which shaped what they are willing, or able, to live with themselves with.

Nope, I think you're the one misunderstanding the concept of God. Along with it, you're seriously misunderstanding the view that many of us here have *of* "God".
 
Ocean Breeze
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Summer

Conscience is a guide, not a limit.

exactly. The "limits" are placed on people by society , societal norms, societal Laws , legal laws, ......and the humanitarian code of conduct. Why?? to maintain order and prevent chaos. as the humanoid slowly evolves

But the human is quite "free" to do as he wishes.....and be as barbarian as he wishes, or be as humanitarian as he wishes. He is also free to adapt and make the required changes within himself so as to lead a constructive life. Choices ..
 
Ocean Breeze
#23
Quote:

I think your problem is missunderstanding the concept of God.

that is a tad presumptuous and arrogant. ( IMHO)......as there are as many "understandings' of the concept of "God" as there are people and not one is absolutely right or wrong. What is "right" for one person ........or rather WORKS for one.......does not nec work for another.

the whole God concept requires a great deal of latitude......as you can tell each one has a different view of this .......and that is how it should be. We as a people were not cast from the same rubber stamp.

the worst thing anyone can do is get into the mindset that THEIR view is the only right one......as this is where all our frichen problems start and then no one can get along. There is NO 'right" one and no "wrong " view.......it is what works for the individual and that must be respected........but the respect must also extend to the fact that none of us have the right to impose our personal beliefs on others. We can state them.......and if some one chooses to pick up on them......fine.....but to persuade them into ones own thought format is totally out of line.

the key point is that we don't KNOW what , who, where, "God" is or IF he/she /it is. So how can anyone be "right" /or "wrong' about this??? For YT reason must prevail over "belief". For that matter ....... beliefs change when new data is added and new discoveries are made. Unless some are too resistive to change...
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by iamcanadian

I think your problem is missunderstanding the concept of God.

I like to think God is my conscience and conscience is my god. It has nothing necessarily to do with a book anyone wrote.

Even Rev here believes in the concept of God. Only he believes that he is God; hence his use of the term "being able to live with himself" as the only limit to what he can do.

This is what's scary. A lot of people think that way. So this also explains some of the social problems we have today, as people think they are god more and more.

People around them are then subject to whatever influnces that person had (good and bad) in their lives which shaped what they are willing, or able, to live with themselves with.

A lot of what we each experience is subject to the experiences that other people had in their lives which where beyond our control. So we all better start thinking more about what other people are doing to other people; since their independant experiences will inevitably, eventually, come back to haught all of us in one way of another. Look at 9/11 for example.

uh-huh. 9/11.
A fine example of independent experience coming back to haunt us.
 
Reverend Blair
#25
Quote:

That's scary Rev. You say you have no limits on what you can do. What stops you from doing anything then?

No confessor, remember? No imaginary forgiveness. Every day is judgement day. I have to live with whatever I do.

Quote:

You CAN drive insanely DRUNK

Like I said in the other thread...I drive just like Steve McQueen.
 
Calberty
#26
I'm an atheist. If there is some type of a god, however, the last people he'd want to surround himself with for eternity are sniveling ***-kissers who spent their lives singing his praises..oh Great One...I dedicate my life to...blah, blah, blah,

Surely he's want folks with more self -worth and independent thinkers. I'd feel my odds of getting invited to god's Grey Cup Game party would be better as an atheist than a religious zombie.
 
Ocean Breeze
#27
Quote:

I think your problem is missunderstanding the concept of God.

I like to think God is my conscience and conscience is my god. It has nothing necessarily to do with a book anyone wrote.


so who is stopping you??? That is YOUR choice. It might not be anyone elses to interpret things that way .....and that is their choice.

If YOU would rather live YOUR Life as if there IS a "God".......FINE.......that too is YOUR choice......but I am getting the impression you are trying to do some "converting" here......and that is NOT your right or your priviledge.

aka.......I respect your right to believe as you do ........but don't lay your beliefs on YT.

( sorry if that is a tad BLUNT.............but clarity seems important)
 
peapod
#28
Even Rev here believes in the concept of God. Only he believes that he is God

What is the purpose of that statement? Are you trying to start something person? You posted that for no other reason, that to incite something, tell me does your god teach you that.

Now if it is your intention to single out the rev personally in your posts, and your intention to single him out to incite something, than its not going to be tolerated.
 
Ocean Breeze
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Calberty

I'm an atheist. If there is some type of a god, however, the last people he'd want to surround himself with for eternity are sniveling ***-kissers who spent their lives singing his praises..oh Great One...I dedicate my life to...blah, blah, blah,

Surely he's want folks with more self -worth and independent thinkers. I'd feel my odds of getting invited to god's Grey Cup Game party would be better as an atheist than a religious zombie.

bravo.!! good post..
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
#30
I'd rather live my life without the constant guilt-trips. I can handle remorse better then guilt.

The elite love pushing religion down our throats because it controls our violence towards them. The worse the economy gets, the more religious our media will become.

The elite hope that our conscience will prevent us from stringing all the rich folks up by the eyelids and kickin' them all in the balls till they blink.

Calm
 

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