The Dying Art of Femininity (The Art Of Femininity)


mrmom2
#1
I'm posting this to see what the reaction to the article is .Should make for some interesting debate
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.

"Femininity is a gentle tender quality found in a woman's appearance, manner and nature. A feminine woman gives the impression of softness and delicateness. She has a spirit of sweet submission, and a dependency upon men for their care and protection. Nothing about her appears masculine, no male aggressiveness, competence, efficiency, fearlessness, strength, or the ability to kill her own snakes." (247)


Helen Andelin's Fascinating Womanhood (1965) is subversive to the New World Order because it upholds the inherent difference between the sexes and the basic laws governing marriage.

Such a book would never be published today. It is only available because it appeared 40 years ago and sold 2 million copies.

If you have any doubt about your sexual identity, I recommend Fascinating Womanhood. It is pertinent for men as well as women. I also recommend Andelin's Fascinating Girl for single women and her husband's Man of Steel and Velvet for men.

I'm not saying you should treat this model as gospel or that it's for everyone. It represents a timeless heterosexual paradigm that works. Every couple is different. Choose what is relevant to you and chuck the rest.

Femininity and masculinity are an art, like playing the piano. They must be learned. We have to know the basics before we can improvise.

People are very malleable. Society is the target of a long-term hate campaign designed to degrade and discredit heterosexuality. Domestic violence and rape are highlighted to make women fear men, reject femininity and become masculine. The destruction of the family has always been the goal of the financial elite in order to control people. (See "The Illuminati Program") I will elaborate below.


THE BASICS OF FEMININITY


Andelin says a woman's happiness depends on her husband's lifelong devotion and love. This book teaches women how to be attractive to men, how to be feminine.

Andelin writes that women don't have to be beautiful to be feminine. "Acquire a feminine manner by accentuating the differences between yourself and men, not the similarities. Since the masculine manner is strong firm and heavy, yours should be gentle, delicate and light. Apply this in the way you walk, talk, use your hands and carry yourself." (256)

I can still remember how a girl I knew closed a kitchen cupboard with a motion of her hips. This happened 35 years ago when I was 20!

When Andelin writes that a feminine woman is never "crude, vulgar, harsh, overbearing or critical," it is apparent that the fair sex is being deliberately degraded and neutered by the media. "All your conversation should reflect tenderness, patience, forgiveness, tolerance and love."

A wife's first priority is her husband and then her children. Thus a single woman will consecrate herself for her future husband and children as much as possible. She will not be promiscuous.

Wives tend to put career, friends, parents, success and appearance before their husbands. "If you are a successful career woman, keep your priorities straight," Andelin writes. "Let your husband know by words and actions that he is number one." (95)

The woman's primary role is to be wife, mother and homemaker. The man's role is to be guide, protector and provider. This doesn't mean women can't have careers or men can't cook or change a diaper.

A man needs to feel that he is needed, and that he excels his woman in his role. If she becomes independent, he may question his purpose and his feelings for her "since his romantic feelings partly arise from her need to be protected, sheltered and cared for." (102)

A woman should accept her husband at face-value and not try to change him. His pride and freedom are inviolable. She should focus on his good qualities and he will improve naturally in response to her.

Reactions to Andelin are either very positive or very negative. One minister wrote on Amazon:" I have given approximately 250 copies of this book to women I have counselled in the past 5 years. In this period of time, I have yet to see ANY of them NOT improve their marriage by working on what they bring to the marriage, as an individual and to the whole."

Many women find the book outdated and laughable. One contentious point is that Andelin advises wives to adopt an endearing childlike petulance when upset with their husband. A lot of women find this demeaning. But in practice, most men will respond positively when their authority is not directly challenged.

Andelin may be outdated at times but she has the basic principles right; it's up to us to adapt them.

Beautiful women are a dime a dozen but feminine women are more rare. The world suffers the loss of feminine spiritual qualities: trust, modesty, grace, innocence, serenity, tenderness, patience and love. This is behind the male obsession with pornographic sex. Men unconsciously seek femininity and love to balance them. The restless masculine spirit seeks a calm harbor.


THE MONSTROUS HOAX


Men and women are the victims of a cruel hoax. They are taught that sexual differences are "socially conditioned." Ironically this lie is the actual "social conditioning". Sexual differences are inborn. For example, males have ten times the level of testosterone as women, and this determines their willingness to take risks, etc. Sex roles express natural differences and form the spice of life.

Feminism's Marxist principles of "equality" do not apply to loving heterosexual relationships and are in fact toxic. As I often say, heterosexual marriage is based on the exchange of female worldly power for male love. Equal power neuters both sexes.

Our leaders are accomplices to this monstrous hoax. Behind them are the private central bankers who print our currency in the form of a debt to them. They need a world government so no country can default on it. They need a dictatorship so the people cannot end this scam. They need to stunt our natural development by fostering gender confusion so we can be controlled.

The elitists present women's liberation as if a cherished housewife were the same as a concentration camp inmate. They present this vicious psychological assault as "progress," when in fact it is subversion on a grand scale.

Ladies, where do you think feminism came from? It was organized by the US Communist Party, the CIA and the elite media, all instruments of the central bankers. It is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation.

This weekend yet another movie opens about a woman who is a violent killer. "Domino" is the story of a female bounty hunter. The real-life inspiration for this story Domino Harvey died recently of a drug overdose or murder. No wonder young women are confused! Where do they see wives and mothers presented in a positive light? Women are always harried, arguing with men and running off to work.

I get email from feminists who say my articles are "hurtful." It's eerie how they all use that word and repeat the party line. I think it's "hurtful" that the super rich want to take the place of God and nature and enslave humanity. But these feminists don't get it. They don't get "A"'s for connecting feminism with the Rockefellers, Sept. 11 and Iraq, i.e. NWO Central Banker Dictatorship.

Feminism is designed to make women feel unworthy for devoting their lives to the people they love. It forces them out of the house where their employers can control them. It forces infants into joyless daycares subject to conditioning and who-knows-what-else .

I would never stand between anyone and their idea of fulfillment. But ladies, don't be so gullible! You're being defrauded of a lifetime of love. Have your careers later but don't forfeit your femininity and your chance to have a family
 
mrmom2
#2
Well i must say I'm very surprised that now ones commented on this article
 
Reverend Blair
#3
It claims that feminism is a plot between the communists and the CIA, Mr. Mom. Not really much to say about it after that.

Besides, most of the feminists I've met in my life are as feminine as can be...they just refuse to be helpless chattel.
 
mrmom2
#4
Soory Rev but I was looking for more of a female response You don't really fit that bill :P
 
Twila
#5
I can't see why anybody would object to making their spouse feel special. Or doing what it takes to make that person feel that way.

Isn't that what marriage is about? To make the other person feel that they are the one and only and that you are willing to do anything to make them happy? Cause, selfishly speaking, they will then in turn do the same for you. And the idea is to make you both better people.
 
mrmom2
#6
Thank you Twinks .I was looking for response's like that
 
Reverend Blair
#7
Quote:

Soory Rev but I was looking for more of a female response Laughing You don't really fit that bill Razz

What if I get implants?
 
Twila
#8
Quote:

What if I get implants? Shocked Laughing

We'll have to call you Maynard.
 
Reverend Blair
#9
You wouldn't have to call me anything, Twila...I'd spend every day jumping up and down in front of the mirror.
 
mrmom2
#10
Oh man if you could see the picture in my head
 
zenfisher
#11
oh if you could see my stomach turning...
 
Twila
#12
You might not find them any where nearly as attractive if they're attached to your chest. I think your missing the bigger picture on breasts. THe fact that they're attached to a female with all the other femanine goodies.
 
Reverend Blair
#13
That and if they were on my chest they'd be all hairy.
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#14
Thanks, that was a truly enlightening thread, mom - I'm surprised it took so long to get to Rev's hairy breasts, though.
 
Reverend Blair
#15
They'd be like Sasquatch boobies. Rene Dehinden would follow me everywhere.
 
Cosmo
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

That and if they were on my chest they'd be all hairy.

Was thinking I'd ask you out if you got implants but that comment kinda put a stop to that idea!
 
Cosmo
#17
Ok MrMom, with yer cute l'il devil avatar ... I'll bite.

You may be surprised to hear I actually agree with some of the article. The concept of femininity has been given a bad rep, albeit for good reason. When the world was more male dominated, the best way for a woman to acquire power was through subversive methods using their femininity. That's changed and women have acquired individual power and influence they were previously denied. One of the casualties of this process was femininity. It was the sole source of power and influence before emancipation so women rejected it on that basis alone.

The angry, man-hating, butch feminist served us well. She carried us out of the dark age of our history. Hats off to these brave women! They enabled women like me to stand up and take my rightful place in society, to vote, to be part of government, to be my authentic self.

There is a movement now toward women recouping their femininity. When I first came out as a lesbian, I was told by an older dyke that I wasn't a "real" lesbian because I wore makeup and nail polish. It pissed me off and rather than fall into unshaven lock step with these women, I flipped them the bird with my manicured hand and puffed up my big hair ... all the while flirting with their women. Screw any kind of domination, even if it's other women!

Today women are free to embrace their femininity without relinquishing their power. It's another huge step forward for us. We can revisit some of those old texts and cull the bull**** out while adopting the gems. Andelin has approached the topic from an outdated heterosexual viewpoint, but if you widen the perspective to include same sex couples, there is some wisdom present. Like Twinks pointed out, who wouldn't want to make their partner happy?

The interesting thing is that those rigid roles have been destroyed for both men and women. Rather than applying them to gender, I think a balance is needed in a successful relationship. Which person takes on which quality is up to the people involved ... gay or straight. I know men who stay home and raise the kids while the Mrs. brings home the pay cheque. They've adapted without sacrificing femininity and masculinity. They've redefined the rules without throwing away the concept.

In my relationship I am more inclined to wear the skirts and heels while my other half wouldn't be caught dead in them. At the same time, she is extremely feminine in other ways. We've found a balance of strength and softness that works for us, while both being true to our gender. We are free to be feminine today without having to sacrifice personal power to do that. For the time it was written, the article makes sense, but the rules have changed today. Feminine no longer equals weakness and it's our right as women to embrace it.

So there. :P
 
peapod
#18
Here is a comment for you momsy :P

 
Hard-Luck Henry
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by peapod

Here is a comment for you momsy :P

Short and sweet, lil' p. Just like you.



(I couldn't find a vomiting smiley).
 
peapod
#20
Oh! go drink some ale..you bloody soot!!!

I mean sot!
 
Martin Le Acadien
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

It claims that feminism is a plot between the communists and the CIA, Mr. Mom. Not really much to say about it after that.

Besides, most of the feminists I've met in my life are as feminine as can be...they just refuse to be helpless chattel.

As a Man living in a feminine household, Five Ladies and 3 Female pets, I have learned to have the last word, Yes Dear.

I know the true meaning of having 40000 pairs of shoes, 5 closets full to the brim, lingerie of all sorts hanging all over!

Le père de la famille, une banque a fourni par la nature!

"Father of the family is a bank nature provides!"

Rue de Porche Vide o Rue de Jolie Filles!

Is femininity dead, hell no!
 
Twila
#22
Quote:

As a Man living in a feminine household, Five Ladies and 3 Female pets, I have learned to have the last word, Yes Dear.

People like you really deserve a reward! My poor father had to survive 4 women. I don't know how you guys do it. I'd have gone insane if it wasn't for the fact that I'm already there every 28 days!
 
GL Schmitt
#23
Sorry mom, but I had to take several runs at it, just to get through.

From what I retained of that reading, I take it that Henry Makow is a bachelor.

In addition, the writer whose work he appears to endorse, Helen Andelin, makes unsubstantiated declarative sentencers which make her sound like she is channelling Harrison Fisher.

Everything stated (so far as I could force myself to absorb) was both undoubtedly true, and patently false, depending upon whom one has in mind at the time. This is the case with all generalities that one tries to apply to actual human beings.

If I am asked to believe what was described is what a woman should endeavour to be, or already is, then it my opinion is that Helen Andelin is writing total balderdash, and Henry Makow is endorsing it.

A woman must be what that woman is. She, like her mate, might have to adjust her schedule, some of her interests, possibly even her career, to accommodate her significant other. She need not, and must not, change her personality to conform to what she believes a mate might desire.

The whole pretending to be what he wants to attract him, then afterwards try to change him so you can be who you really are, only causes pain and animus.

The same is true for a man, but, as a theory, I would say that men are less susceptible to attempting change to attract a mate, but once caught, are more amenably to being changed by their mates, than most women whom I have met seem to be.

On the other hand, the previous statement might be totally wrong, based on that fact that most of the men whose pre and post nuptial situation I am familiar with, were too lazy to change before, but once forced to, found their new conditions to be such an immeasurable improvement that they had no reason to object.

That recognized, I suppose I must earnestly oppose Makow’s assertion that a woman must surrender her power to her man. In my observations, the woman who exerts her power to help her mate embrace change in his living arrangements (especially where change will improve their overall comfort) will usually strengthen her marriage.

But, still, I will stick by my original opinion: No one should be willing to change in order to attract, but all should be flexible about changing in order to coexist.
 
mrmom2
#24
This place rocks .Thanks all very enlightening opinions Except Peas :P
 
HTO
#25
I enjoyed the article (and the funny comments that came after).

I've been a stay-at-home mom for five years now and while I agree that femininity and grace go hand-in-hand, I think feminism isn't as bad as the person is making it out to be.

When I think of feminism, I think of the virtues (some of them mentioned) but even more so are Justice and Courage.

Just look at Sister Rosa Parks (God Bless her Soul) who fought for Justice which took Courage, when she refused to give up her seat. Her act sparked the civil rights movement in the United States. This woman changed the world.
 
manda
#26
Hmm... allright

I have some of the aspects of femininity, I step lightly, love my partner and mother my children with all of my being. My Loooonnnngggg hair is my crowning jewel, and for the most part I speak softly...at least until I'm backed into a corner and have to unleash the beast within

I am also known to curse like a sailor if the situation merits, I belch louder than most men while wearing a skirt and heels, and am able to kick the *** of people at least twice my size!

I guess I ride the fence
 
HTO
#27
Well, the article also made me think about how I must look to my husband when he gets home from work. I'll try not to look so homely (t-shirt, sweat pants, messy hair, a laundry basket in one hand and a spatula in the other) from now on!

If feminism is what he wants, feminism is what he gets! (Or should I say femininity?)
lol. I'll admit, I kept the sweat pants on but at least did my hair today.
 
manda
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by HTO

Well, the article also made me think about how I must look to my husband when he gets home from work. I'll try not to look so homely (t-shirt, sweat pants, messy hair, a laundry basket in one hand and a spatula in the other) from now on!

If feminism is what he wants, feminism is what he gets! (Or should I say femininity?)
lol. I'll admit, I kept the sweat pants on but at least did my hair today.

Mr. Manda loves most of my sweatpant, especially the tight ones...I think I'll wear them on my days off all the time now!
 
Twila
#29
Quote:

I guess I ride the fence

Nothing wrong with that!
 
pastafarian
#30
I’ve decided to make this thread my first on this board. (Hi all!) There are a couple of reasons for this. My mate wanted me to read the article that kicks off the discussion, which I slogged through to the bitter end only because of my unnaturally strong devotion to her; and (more important), I am really impressed with the tone of the responses the article provoked.
Usually, any discussion of gender roles attracts two kinds of idiot: autocratic, theory-spewing “feminists” of both sexes who want us all to burn the heretics who fail to acknowledge the insidious partriarchal oppression of “history” and “manufacturing” or socially-stunted boys channeling Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson from their parents’ basement, between solo sweaty encounters with digital representations of the opposite sex.
I saw no replies that could be attributed to either group. Congratulations people!

For the record, it puzzles me why the pretentious twit, “Henry Makow, Ph.D” would advertise that he possesses a PhD, thus depriving himself of the only plausible excuse –lack of access to education-- for the drivel he has attached his name to.

I mean c’mon:

“Society is the target of a long-term hate campaign designed to degrade and discredit heterosexuality. Domestic violence and rape are highlighted to make women fear men, reject femininity and become masculine. The destruction of the family has always been the goal of the financial elite in order to control people.”

Of course, Dr. Makow, and genocide and torture are highlighted to makes us fear other people, reject empathy and charity and join PETA.

“Feminism's Marxist principles of "equality" do not apply to loving heterosexual relationships and are in fact toxic. As I often say, heterosexual marriage is based on the exchange of female worldly power for male love. Equal power neuters both sexes. “

Quite. And Fascism’s principles of “obedience to overwhelming force and terror “ are, in fact, the bedrock of life-affirming heterosexual relationships. As I often say, a battered and cowering spouse is a happy one. Absolute power creates just and moral men, while complete humiliation and powerlessness allows women to achieve fulfilling lives

Makow would need a truckload of “smart drugs” just to aspire to the status of “idiot”, so enough about him.

The celebration of femininity that breaks up Makow’s tedious inanities is more interesting.

My own belief is that women are generally more inclined to be “feminine” and men to be “masculine” for reasons rooted in biology. I think those who say that gender is a “social construction” are, at best , misguided and wrong or , at worst, pushing an agenda for ideological reasons and thus, traitors to the ideal of impartial investigation of truth and, frankly, sexist.

What I mean by the last term is “contemptuous of the values implied by “perfect” examples of stereotyped males or females”. To make it simple, idealized males are stoic, assertive, physically robust, intelligent in spatial-physical ways, reserved. Idealized females are empathetic, nuturing, socially intelligent, conciliatory, hospitable.

To imply that either list is superior to the other is sexist in my terminology.

To suggest that real men and women should or do conform to this list is sexist in the conventional sense, is putting arbitrary and stupid limitations on people and I don’t buy it. These are archetypes.

That being said, these archetypes are exceedingly important to us culturally and our mythologies are filled with conflicts and reconciliations of the Masculine and Feminine principles. The former is conventionally the force of destruction and aggression, while the latter is the force of birth and acquiescence. Both impulses are required in balance. Most Tragedies, for example, involve the ascendancy of the Masculine principle over the Feminine, with disastrous results. I’d say modern progress is a result of the Masculine principle, whereas, the great threats to our planet and our species come from ignoring the Feminine principles.
None of this implies that any particular man or woman needs to live in any particular way. Most people are amalgams of “masculine” and “feminine” qualities, up to and including hetero-homosexuality. Personally, I have no problems with feminine men or masculine women.
I do have problems with people who tell me that women shouldn’t be soldiers or men, daycare workers. Or people who tell me that a construction worker is worth more than a nurse. Don’t tell me that homosexuality shouldn’t creep me out or that homosexual marriages deserve less status then childless heterosexual ones.
Heterosexuality in humans is the manifestation of the preferred means by which Life has perpetuated itself for billions of years. Shortly after there were bacteria, these cells evolved to transmit genetic material from one cell to a receiver cell, via a hollow tube called a “pilus”. Algae also share genetic material whereby the “+” mating type produces a tube-like organ to transfer DNA to the receiving “-“ type. And so it goes through the plant and animal kingdom, sexual reproduction as a means of preserving genetic diversity and flexibility in the face of natural selection.
I’m sure homosexuality has a purpose in higher animals, but the perpetuation of the species requires two sexes except in exceptional circumstances.

I like feminine women . I like the way they look. I like the way they smell.
Feminists who dis them are making the same mistake as the knuckle-dragging men who disrespect them. The Masculine Principle has been well-established in human societies now for long enough. We need to balance it by giving less glory to conquest, aggression and thoughtless action. We need to celebrate compassion, co-operation and thoughtfulness.

That means respecting the wisdom of the Feminine, not just the strength of the Masculine.
 

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