bible passages that have helped you overcome something


manda
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by p106_peppy

I'm not forcing it down your throat! a question was asked about what bible passages I find inspiring. I answered it. If you find christianity so offensive then why are you in this thread? Maybe you should take your hatred and bigotry towards christians elsewhere. and if you bash me, I'll bash you right back. I may be a christian, but I'm not perfect, no human is, I will stoop to your level if you dont take your intollerance and shove it.

ps. you're going to hell

did you even fricking read my post dumbass? I fave faith, and I didn't cite specifically you, but those who are pushing the bible down the throats of others...a little touchy because you're guilty of doing this elsewhere?

P.S Judge not lest ye be Judged...se you in hell *******
 
peapod
#32
Fundamentalist: "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?"

Atheist: "From what you've said, I assume that you believe in a god of some kind. I would like to know, first, what you mean by 'god,' and, second, how you justify your belief in this being."

Fundie: "But don't you know that Jesus Christ died for your sins?"

Atheist: "Obviously, if I don't believe in a god, then I don't believe in a nonexistent son. Moreover, since sin is defined as disobedience to a god, I don't believe in sin either. I am not a sinner. Now please get to the point and answer my questions."

Fundie: "But everyone is a sinner."

Atheist: "You maybe, but not me. You know nothing about me, yet you presume to judge me. That is rude and offensive. Now, are you going to behave yourself and answer my questions or not?"

Fundie: "God will come into your heart if you ask him to."

Atheist: "I don't have room in there for anything else, thank you."

Fundie: "But won't you even pray to God?"

Atheist: "If you explain what you mean by the word 'god' and explain how you know there is such a being, I might consider it. But you refuse even to explain what you're talking about. You're not doing your job, and your god, if he exists, won't like that."

Fundie: "Don't you want to be saved?"

Atheist: "Saved? From what?"

Fundie: "From eternal punishment in hell."

Atheist: "Really, this is becoming absurd. Tell me, why do you believe in hell?"

Fundie: "It's in the Bible."

Atheist: "Do you believe everything you read?"

Fundie: "I believe the Bible; it's God's word."

Atheist: "Oh, so this god of yours wrote a book! I tell you what: All you need do is produce a signed copy of his book, and you've made your case."
 
Mad_Hatter
#33
Manda, if you (or anyone) don't want religion pushed down your throat obviously you should steer clear of a thread entitled "What Bible Passages have Helped You". If I were P_C I would assume that only other Christians who actually have been inspired by the bible would post here. When discussions are started about evolution vs. creation, homosexuality and the bible or if a poster starts throwing around biblical beliefs and Christian propoganda in other non-related threads I would agree, Christianity is fair game. This isn't the case here, however. He clearly labelled a thread to tell people that he wanted to discuss bible verses. I would assume that anyone not wanting religion shoved down their throat wouldn't click "read".

P_C... way to completely prove their point with the "You're going to hell" quip. You just justified all the Christian bashing with those four words. Good Work.

How old are we all? Come on kids...
 
manda
#34
mad-hatter, like I had previously stated, I believe...and have passages that have helped me through difficult times. I was addressing the discussion above, which was talking about those who were bashing Christians, those that force their beliefs on others. I don't push mine, and nobody forces atheism on me around here...just words to the wise...but yeah P.C did just prove my point with those 4 words, which is why I pushed a passage from the Bible back at him
 
Reverend Blair
#35
Mad Hatter, I suggest you go back through the history of this site and read the posts.
 
peapod
#36
Like I said...fundies give christians a bad name...get use to it, or deal with them.

Atheist: "Are you telling me that I should do something because it feels good? Surely you aren't serious. I frankly don't believe that you would accept this as a guide in your own life. If someone wished you to engage in a particular sexual practice because it feels good, would you regard this as a compelling reason?"

Fundie: "No."

Atheist: "Then you aren't a hedonist after all. You demand more than the possibility of pleasure in order to take an action or adopt a belief. So do I. You reject sexual promiscuity on moral grounds, regardless of the pleasure it may bring. Similarly, I reject intellectual promiscuity on moral grounds. My moral principles do not allow me to accept or to do just anything, just because it might feel good. You surely understand this, don't you?"
 
p106_peppy
#37
It's so sad that you're just all blindly rejcting and bashing christians. I have to say, I pity you. Wether or not you believe it exists, you're all going to hell. If you choose to not to believe, and I choose to believe, when we die, if you're right, we both lose. I'f I'm right you still lose, and I gain everything.
 
peapod
#38
uh huh...care to provide some proof with your puddin
 
Said1
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by p106_peppy

It's so sad that you're just all blindly rejcting and bashing christians. I have to say, I pity you. Wether or not you believe it exists, you're all going to hell. If you choose to not to believe, and I choose to believe, when we die, if you're right, we both lose. I'f I'm right you still lose, and I gain everything.

Didn't Pascal say that? I pitty your lack of creativity.
 
Vanni Fucci
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by p106_peppy

It's so sad that you're just all blindly rejcting and bashing christians. I have to say, I pity you. Wether or not you believe it exists, you're all going to hell. If you choose to not to believe, and I choose to believe, when we die, if you're right, we both lose. I'f I'm right you still lose, and I gain everything.

Pascal's Wager is a crock of ****...

...and weren't you the one telling us that Christianity promotes freedom of religion...from what I see you're selling freedom for Christians and brimstone for the rest...

well I, for one choose brimstone, because you're just a feckin' nutter...
 
missile
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by p106_peppy

It's so sad that you're just all blindly rejcting and bashing christians. I have to say, I pity you. Wether or not you believe it exists, you're all going to hell. If you choose to not to believe, and I choose to believe, when we die, if you're right, we both lose. I'f I'm right you still lose, and I gain everything.

Sadly,when I joined HELL.Com I was kicked out rather quickly :P
 
Vanni Fucci
#42
The Atheists Wager:

"It is better to live your life as if there are no Gods, and try to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent God, He will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in Him."

Actually, that would more accurately be termed the Agnostics Wager, I suppose...
 
Hard-Luck Henry
#43
It's over 1,800 years since the Christian philosopher Origen argued that the literal terrors of hell were false, but that they ought to be publicised anyway, so as to scare simpler believers.

It's pitiable that, in the C21st, people are still that gullible.
 
Mad_Hatter
#44
It's pitiable that some of you are assuming that the "fundies" represent all, or even most Christians. Much like not all Muslims are extremists who fly planes into buildings and bomb train stations in London, not all Christians are hateful of everything that doesn't fall exactly into their system of beliefs.

Same can be said for a whole variety of groups: feminists, environmentalists, socialists, etc. etc. etc.

The group and ideals aren't bad, persay, but there are always a few loud, outspoken and controversial individuals who give the entire movement a bad name.
 
PoisonPete2
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter

It's pitiable that some of you are assuming that the "fundies" represent all, or even most Christians. Much like not all Muslims are extremists who fly planes into buildings and bomb train stations in London, not all Christians are hateful of everything that doesn't fall exactly into their system of beliefs.

Same can be said for a whole variety of groups: feminists, environmentalists, socialists, etc. etc. etc.

The group and ideals aren't bad, persay, but there are always a few loud, outspoken and controversial individuals who give the entire movement a bad name.

Answer - these regular Christians should then speak out against the disgraceful unequal treatment of women in their religion (not supported by the bible), the disgaceful lack of action taken by the Pope in regard to pedephilic Priests (not supported by the bible), the disallowance of letting Priests marry (not supported by the bible) and the rules against abortion (not supported by the bible) and the lack of support by the church for social reform in Latin America (not supported by the bible). It would appear that a lot of regular Christians have let some ******* in Rome dictate away their moral compasses.
 
GL Schmitt
#46
This is what make these proselyting Christians such a joke.

I know of no passage that promises that nonbelievers will ask true believers “why your life is so happy and fulfilling,.”

I do, however, recall a section near the end of the Sermon on the Mount:

Quote:

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew Chapter 5 Verses 44-45 KJV

Instead, in the face of a bit of opposition, they cheerfully declare:

Quote:

ps. you're going to hell

They can’t even stay in fecking character on a bulletin board!
 
Mad_Hatter
#47
**sorry, double post**
 
Mad_Hatter
#48
it seems as though you are equating "Catholicism" to mean "All Christian religions". Catholics do not equal all Christians. Again, you are painting us all with the same brush.

In my church, we have two ministers, one is a woman. I'm not sure what other "disgraceful unequal treatment of women in their religion" you're referring too. If you want to discuss disrcimination against women in a religion then Islam is a much better target; where many condone female genital mutiliation, polygamy, and not even allowing women to show their faces in public. No one seems to be up in arms about this.

As for your claim about pedophilic priests: obviously that is a horrible and disgusting thing. You should perhaps know that the percentage of priests who are pedophiles mirror the percentage of all men who are pedophiles; so it seems that this is not a problem of the church, but rather a problem of society. But once again, I'm not Catholic... My religion doesn't have priests who commit such disgusting sins nor does it condone pedophilia in any way. It does not have priests who are not permitted to marry; nor is it really involved in Latin America.

For what it's worth, there is no "******* in Rome" who is dictating my moral compass; in fact 52% of the Christian faith does not have their moral compass directed by said *******.
 
peapod
#49
polygamy...morons oh I mean mormons..again..a group of old men, having their way with childern hiding under the guise of religion. By the way would you mind naming your church.
 
Mad_Hatter
#50
No problem.
The church I'm referring to is a modern Mennonite Church. (I hope no one sees the word "Mennonite" and immediately assumes I'm amish here.) I suppose I'm exaggerating a little, that was a few years ago before I moved to Nova Scotia. I haven't gone to church a whole lot since I've been here, for various reasons.

It still bares pointing out that there are many protestant churches who certainly don't fall into the set mold of traditional Catholism, which many of you seem to be disillusioned about.
 
Vanni Fucci
#51
Here is a bible passage that's brought me great comfort:

Quote:

KJV Luke 20-34-36

The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Kind of blows the **** out of the Christians' arguments for a traditional definition of marriage...funny innit?
 
peapod
#52
I am not sure what a moderate mennonite church would be, but I will read up on it. I do however remember reading about mennonites offering up cash to college boys, to have sex with their daughters, the gene pool was getting rather narrow. I am not saying this is your church or your way of thinking. My point is if your going to tell people (I don't include you here) what they should believe and follow, don't ya think the last thing you should be is a hypocrite
 
Reverend Blair
#53
Quote:

It still bares pointing out that there are many protestant churches who certainly don't fall into the set mold of traditional Catholism, which many of you seem to be disillusioned about.

It isn't just Catholicism, it's fundamentalism in all of its forms. I don't care if you're a Wiccan, if you start telling me that I have to do things your way because your god said so, there will be a problem.

Most Catholics I know aren't fundamentalists, BTW. They, including a priest, tend to agree with me on the issues I go after the pope on.
 
Mad_Hatter
#54
Peapod, I'm not familiar with this at all, I encourage you to try to dig up some news story on it. Considering the beliefs of the church, I am most surprised and disgusted. All I can say about that is... obviously there are some bad apples in every group. Because one or two individuals committed these things doesn't mean the religion condones the practice in any form.

I am sure I could find similar evils committed by one or two people in any group you put in front of me.

I'll also tell you, that for the most part Mennonites keep to themselves, active conversion and evangelism isn't really our style.

I never try to force my beliefs on others; in fact I find it very rewarding and enriching to learn about many different faiths and beliefs.
 
Vanni Fucci
#55
...and Mennonites don't baptize at birth, which is something I can respect...if only they weren't totally immersed in their religion all of their lives, maybe some would have a chance to make an independent choice for what they will believe...
 
Mad_Hatter
#56
I promise you Vanni, I have made my own choices regarding my belief systems. And, like I have said before, I often have trouble reconciling my own personal values with those of the church.

Religious and "Free Thinker" or "Critical Thinker" aren't always mutually exclusive.
 
Vanni Fucci
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter

I promise you Vanni, I have made my own choices regarding my belief systems.

So, your family left that decision entirely up to you, without trying to influence you one way or the other?

Quote: Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter

Religious and "Free Thinker" or "Critical Thinker" aren't always mutually exclusive. Smile

The belief in an all-knowing, all-seeing, invisible man that causes everything to happen sort of precludes that claim...

Your god and your religion cannot stand up to the least scrutiny or critical analysis...

Peppy brought up Pascal's Wager in another thread...this has been the resource most often used by Christians to justify their beliefs for hundreds of years...yet the logic that it is based upon is deeply flawed...

If you are capable of critical thought, as you have claimed, then I suggest you do some research beyond your bible and understand what the free thinkers of the world have said throughout history, and why they have said it...

The following site is as good a place to start your research as any...

www.infidels.org/index.html (external - login to view)
 
Vanni Fucci
#58
Oh yeah...and neither are secular and spirtitual or atheist and moral mutually exclusive terms...just thought I'd throw that out there...
 
GL Schmitt
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

... Mennonites...if only they weren't totally immersed in their religion all of their lives,...

Probably the biggest misunderstanding about the Mennonite (and the Amish) is in thinking them each one singular entity.

First, both are broken into Old Order (the ones in black buttonless garb, driving a horse-drawn buggy, just like in “Witness”) and the New Order (with not that different a visible lifestyle from yourself).

Since one basic tenant of Anabaptist (Mennonite, Amish, & Hutterite) belief is the disavowel of a central religious authority (like a Pope) their churches are fraught with schisms — in many cases, over acceptance or rejection of modern trends.

Still throughout these schisms and disagreements on dogma, they have managed to maintain civil discourse between the churches, and combine efforts for religious publishing, education, and especially emergency relief work through their Mennonite Central Committee. (One of Canada’s first civilian organizations reported to be responding to the recent Hurricane Katrina crisis.)

What I find most appealing about the Mennonite faithful as they interact with non-believers, is that, with the exception of the usual missionary work in poverty areas around the world, they do not tend to prostylizes their beliefs.

I live where Mennonites are rather thick on the ground, and they have never tried to coerce me to accept their beliefs.

At least, I suppose I should add, they don't outside their church functions.
 
Vanni Fucci
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by GL Schmitt

What I find most appealing about the Mennonite faithful as they interact with non-believers, is that, with the exception of the usual missionary work in poverty areas around the world, they do not tend to prostylizes their beliefs.

I have to agree with you there...my family is Mennonite, and they've not tried to convert me...although they have expressed extreme displeasure at some of my choices over the years... :P

Truth is though, that I haven't had a whole lot to do with that side of the family, as it is all too obvious that we are on divergent paths on our spiritual journey...
 

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