Just give me that old-time atheism

Hard-Luck Henry

Yossarian: "And don't tell me God works in mysterious ways. There's nothing so mysterious about it. He's not working at all. He's playing. Or else He's forgotten all about us. That's the kind of God you people talk about- a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatalogical mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?"
Lieutenant Scheisskopf's wife: "Pain? Pain is a useful symptom. Pain is a warning to us of bodily dangers."
Yossarian: "And who created dangers? Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He gave us pain! Why couldn't He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or one of his celestial choirs? Or a system of blue-and-red neon tubes right in the middle of each person's forehead. Any jukebox manufacturer worth his salt could have done that. Why couldn't He?"
Lieutenant Scheisskopf's wife: "People would certainly look silly walking around with red neon tubes in the middle of their foreheads."
Yossarian: "They certainly look beautiful now writhing in agony or stupefied with morphine, don't they? What a colossal,...

Quote has been trimmed
Dexter Sinister
Brilliant, Henry, an excellent quote. I'm with Yossarian on that one, though I've never been able to put it quite so eloquently.
Too funny! I have not read Catch 22 ... but I assume that is where this is from?
Hard-Luck Henry
Quote: Originally Posted by Cosmo

Too funny! I have not read Catch 22 ... but I assume that is where this is from?

That's right, Cosmo - it's a great book, full of gems like that, and some great characters. Laugh out loud funny.

(Here's Major Major Major Major: "He was polite to his elders, who disliked him. Whatever his elders told him to do, he did. They told him to look before he leaped, and he always looked before he leaped. They told him never to put off until the next day what he could do the day before, and he never did. He was told to honor his father and mother, and he honored his father and mother. He was told that he should not kill, and he did not kill, until he got into the Army. Then he was told to kill, and he killed. He turned the other cheek on every occasion and always did unto others exactly as he would have had others do unto him. When he gave to charity, his left hand never knew what his right hand was doing. He never once took the name of the Lord his God in vain, committed adultery or coveted his neighbor's ***. In fact, he loved his neighbor and never even bore false witness against him. Major Major's elders disliked him because he was such a flagrant nonconformist."
Don't know If this has been touched upon yet?

But If I were to pull a string of multi-coloured hankerchiefs from my pocket without informing anyone how they got there, and without the appliance of scientific investigation I would be a diety, would I not?!?
Vanni Fucci
A Hell of a good read...
An Excellent read.
Gordon J Torture

Gordon, you are a silly man...I can almost see you having a hissy fit....for you to use your family that way in your post and finish it off with I am jealous of your post hello men in white jackets. That is crazy.

Actually I had no intent of "using my family". I was simply stating what was on my mind with perhaps a blatant lack of diplomacy.

You are right though, I was indeed, pretty much having a "hissy fit", or fit of bad temper, loss of mental clarity, whatever.

Me sorry ... Me ok now I should be used to the inextricable polemy that follows my instinctively rebellious style of presenting things.
Gordon J Torture

What the f@ck is this ****? could you redo that in Canadian English? as it sound like bull **** in the present form.

Yeah, it was pretty much bull**** in it's original form as well. Call it vernacular creative sarcasm I guess. lol
Quote: Originally Posted by Hard-Luck Henry

By Salman Rushdie


"Intelligent design, an idea designed backward so as to force the antique idea of a Creator upon the beauty of creation, is so thoroughly rooted in pseudoscience, so full of false logic, so easy to attack that a little rudeness seems called for.

If religion were a private matter, one could more easily respect its believers' right to seek its comforts and nourishments.

But religion today is big public business, using efficient political organization and cutting-edge information technology to advance its ends. Religions play bare-knuckle rough all the time, while demanding kid-glove treatment in return.

As Evans and Ruse would do well to recognize, atheists such as Dawkins, Miller and Wilson are neither immature nor culpable for taking on such religionists.

They are doing a vital and necessary thing.

Precisely. As long as certain religious groups and their followers comport themselves as over-reaching, belligerent asstards, they will continue to draw considerable heat - in government, in the courts, in the schools... and here.
Hard-Luck Henry
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

A Hell of a good read...

Nice link, Vanni ... Here's Richard Dawkins, on that perennial favourite of The God Squad ... science is a religion, too. (external - login to view)
Religion Is A Gigantic Fraud (external - login to view)

Intelligent men do not decide any subject until they have carefully examined both or all sides of it. Fools, cowards, and those too lazy to think, accept blindly, without examination, dogmas and doctrines imposed upon them in childhood by their parents, priests, and teachers, when their minds were immature and they could not reason.

[Some] 433,000,000 Mohammedans believe that the Koran was brought by an angel from heaven; 335,000,000 Hindus believe one of their gods, Siva, has six arms; 153,000,000 Buddhists believe they will be reincarnated; 904,000,000 Christians believe a god made the world in six days, Joshua stopped the sun by yelling at it, and Jesus was born of a virgin and nullified natural laws to perform miracles.

There is absolutely no scientific proof of any of these claims. Science has shown them to be contrary to all known facts. It is more intelligent to classify them as false. Religions are all based upon the primitive superstitions of ignorant, stone-age men who had no knowledge of science and thought the world was flat. The Catholic Church imprisoned Galileo for life and burned Bruno at the stake because they disagreed with these superstitious beliefs.

These primitive beliefs have been kept alive by a vast army of priests, preachers, and rabbis because it is to their great profit to promote them, first, by imposing them on the helpless brains of children, and second, by saturating the air, TV, press, and schools with their childish superstitions and unreasonable claims. They fool the ignorant and make the gullible and the intelligent alike pay tribute to them. Their multi-billion-dollar properties and incomes are exempt from taxes; they get half-fare on trains, busses, and planes; and receive billions of dollars in grants of taxpayers' money to help build up their political power, wealth, and luxurious living. Taxes could be cut 10 percent if churches paid their just share. That would mean a probable saving of 20 billion dollars a year to the people of the U.S. every year of their lives. Some priests also indoctrinated with superstition from childhood probably believe what they preach. It pays them handsomely to do so.

Religious beliefs are against common sense. There is no god, just because priests say so. There are no angels, devils, heavens, hells, ghosts, witches, nor miracles. These superstitious beliefs are promoted for the purpose of making the gullible believe that by paying money to the priest-class, they will be favored by one of the gods. There is nothing supernatural -- nothing contrary to natural law.

Religion has caused untold ignorance, murder, torture, fear, poverty, unhappiness, wars, and has kept the world 10,000 years behind the times. It still does, while the millions support the priestly loafers in comfort and ease. For ages the independent thinkers have been murdered, ostracized, tortured, and suppressed and their writings destroyed. Only in recent years have a few courageous thinkers been free to criticize religions.

Great thinkers and scientists -- Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Charles Bradlaugh, Luther Burbank, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Henry L. Mencken, Charles Smith, Joseph Lewis, Rupert Hughes, Bertrand Russell, H.G. Wells, Mark Twain, Herbert Spencer, Thomas Huxley, Clarence Darrow, Chapman Cohen, George McDonald, George Bernard Shaw, and hundreds of others -- have discarded all or most of the religious beliefs.

This leaflet will be shocking to the unfortunate victim brain-whipped by religious indoctrination from childhood. But those who have a spark of intelligence will examine the facts, will stop paying tribute to the religious profiteers, and lose their fear of a mythical god and mythical hell.

If the gods which foolish people pray to were decent beings they would not permit innocent children to die of cancer, be blind, suffer from polio, muscular dystrophy, syphilis. A good god would not have manufactured fleas, bedbugs, chiggers, lice, rattlesnakes, sharks, deadly germs, sickness, diseased brains, idiots, and insanity. All these things are the result of blind, natural evolution. A just god would not cause some innocent people to die or be disabled for life in airplane, train, and ship disasters while others survived.
Quote: Originally Posted by bulldog

You sound like one of those horrible inspirational coaches or worse, a televangelist.

Shut up! I can't believe you said that to me. Only reflects badly on you and everyone else who is in misery and enjoying every minute of it.

How exactly am I in misery? perhaps because I am a Christian, but hate those who have to push their opinions on others rather than letting them be? I don't feel that I need to shut uap any more than you do, perhaps even less.

I have never called belief drivel, unless it is being crammed down my throat, even if it is what I believe...

But someone else did...do a little dance, get down tonite, and do a little search.

Just pointing out that I have not, I am perfectly aware that someone else has, what is you fecking problem anyway, senor sacastic?

Bulldog, get off your soapbox...Think about it . Don't come at a person preaching and not expect them to not get defensive...It's like thinking a cat won't scratch if you pull their tail really hard [/quote]
Don't take things so personally - you give yourself credit for being much more important than you are. After all, that's what I was told. You may continue with your suffering, but don't slop it off on me. .

Bull Dog[/quote]

I never said that I was important, I am however, opinionated and on this board to post my opinion, What else would I be doing here hmmm? Why else would you be here, and people reading what you post? and I'd love to know why you feel that I am suffering, because I have an extremely happy life, both in my family and my spirituality, and I'm not slopping anything on you. Get over yourself already....think about who is really suffering and trying to make themselves feel important. I don't mean to attack you, but if you get that offended over a little post, perhaps you had better sit an think about what is really bothering you.
Jo Canadian
no new posts