View Poll Results: If you had 1% of all knowlegde do you think that it's possible that in the other 99% god exists?
Absolutley(christian) 5 50.00%
I guess(ignostic) 5 50.00%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

Bubble
#1
This poll is mainly for the atheists.
 
Bubble
#2
sorry the 3rd poll option was supposed to be no(atheist)
 
Reverend Blair
#3
I'll take the 3rd option then.
 
no1important
#4
I take the 3rd as well. I have to go out so I don't have time to comment further at the moment.
 
Vanni Fucci
#5
Yeah...me too...

What a wacky poll this is... :P
 
Toro
#6
Blaise Pascal wrote that it is rational to believe in God. If you believe in God and God exists, you go to heaven. If you believe in God and there is no God, there is no loss. If you don't believe in God and there is no God, there is no loss. If you didn't believe in God, and God exists, then you go to hell. Thus, there is no downside in believing in God and no upside in being an atheist. I believe this is known as Pascal's Dilemna.
 
no1important
#7
But not all religions believe in "Hell"
 
Bubble
#8
i beleive there's a hell what else would there be for satin to live or should I say suffer.
 
Reverend Blair
#9
If you believe in a god, you are giving an unseen entity credit for your successes and creating a defacto excuse for your failures. If you don't believe in god, you must take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your fellow men cannot be easily explained away without considering cause and effect.

I believe that is known as that hard truth.
 
GreenGreta
#10
Love it Rev. I take the credit when good stuff happens, it's all me. Although having someone to blame when it goes wrong is good too.
 
Toro
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

If you believe in a god, you are giving an unseen entity credit for your successes and creating a defacto excuse for your failures. If you don't believe in god, you must take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your fellow men cannot be easily explained away without considering cause and effect.

I believe that is known as that hard truth.

Well, that's why God takes sides in football games.
 
Vanni Fucci
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Blaise Pascal wrote that it is rational to believe in God. If you believe in God and God exists, you go to heaven. If you believe in God and there is no God, there is no loss. If you don't believe in God and there is no God, there is no loss. If you didn't believe in God, and God exists, then you go to hell. Thus, there is no downside in believing in God and no upside in being an atheist. I believe this is known as Pascal's Dilemna.

Here's Vanni's Dilemma:

A preponderance of evidence suggests that gods and religions are man-made constructs, and no evidence suggests that it is otherwise...so why would I blindly follow those that would seek to deceive me?
 
Toro
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Here's Vanni's Dilemma:

A preponderance of evidence suggests that gods and religions are man-made constructs, and no evidence suggests that it is otherwise...so why would I blindly follow those that would seek to deceive me?

Deceive you? In what manner?
 
no1important
#14
There is no proof of "God" or any of the other 100's if not thousands of "gods" exist. Why dont they make an appearance?
 
I think not
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by no1important

There is no proof of "God" or any of the other 100's if not thousands of "gods" exist. Why dont they make an appearance?

Well Jesus tried that once and you see the results of that don't ya.
 
Jo Canadian
#16
I more or less wonder about those that tote that "they serve the will of god", but unless gawd is whispering into their ear telling them what it likes, then it's up to the person to assume what the will of ghod actually is...I think that's where problems arise.

I guess that's where the bible or other such holy texts come in. Some guy in the past who claims the holy spirit spoke to him and he wrote it down. That's a good start but what was he doing fasting in the wilderness for 7 days before hallucinating? Maybe I should try that the next time I'm out on the land, I'm just afraid what the Androgenous Being upstairs will think about our current events.
 
Vanni Fucci
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Here's Vanni's Dilemma:

A preponderance of evidence suggests that gods and religions are man-made constructs, and no evidence suggests that it is otherwise...so why would I blindly follow those that would seek to deceive me?

Deceive you? In what manner?

In the claims that their way will save my eternal soul...

Sorry, but I don't think I come equipped with one of those...

In the claims that their scriptures are the infallible word of God...

If that be so then given all of the inconsistencies and falsehoods, then God must surely be a crack-head...

In the claims that theirs is the only way to God...

Then what about the other 500 religions that make the same claim?

In the claim that any religion embraces peace...

Ya-huh...talk to a history major about that one...some of the bloodiest wars ever have been fought over religion...and still are...
 
Ocean Breeze
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

If you believe in a god, you are giving an unseen entity credit for your successes and creating a defacto excuse for your failures. If you don't believe in god, you must take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your fellow men cannot be easily explained away without considering cause and effect.

I believe that is known as that hard truth.

Well, that's why God takes sides in football games.


good one Toro. (too funny.
 
I think not
#19
How many people have accepted God despite the case against God?
 
Toro
#20
Vanni, since your interests are "defiling Christians", I doubt we will make any headway in such an epistomological issue. However, I don't necessarily think your arguments are correct as presented as a tenent of religion. I certainly do not believe that Christianity is the only way to heaven, though some do believe that. And I don't disagree with your comment about organized religion being hypocritical regarding peace, or many other things for that matter. However, organized religion is a man-made institution. The crimes committed by organized religion does not prove God does not exist. It proves that man is fallible.
 
Ocean Breeze
#21
Maybe "we" could start with defining "God". What is "God"...???

Seems there are as many interpretations of this word as there are people.

Is "God" the SOURCE ........of all things??? Is "God" dynamic and constantly changing??? Is the "God" entity a part of and apart from all things???


Toro: agree completely : "Religion" is a man made institution.
 
Jo Canadian
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze

Maybe "we" could start with defining "God". What is "God"...???

Seems there are as many interpretations of this word as there are people.

Is "God" the SOURCE ........of all things??? Is "God" dynamic and constantly changing??? Is the "God" entity a part of and apart from all things???

Toro: agree completely : "Religion" is a man made institution.

Perhaps god is life, and all life is an extention of what we can only call "god" just for the lack of a better term. In that case god may exist at the molecular level, very very small. After all what is the force that makes the elements organize themselves into certain compounds, and under the right conditions can grow into more complex things as time goes on?????

If that's the case the universe may not be gods at all but as life starting from the molecular level, we're just a way for god to reach out and explore what's out there.

Damn I didn't have to smoke anything for that one.
 
Vanni Fucci
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

However, organized religion is a man-made institution. The crimes committed by organized religion does not prove God does not exist. It proves that man is fallible.

See if you can wrap your head around this then... (external - login to view)
 
Vanni Fucci
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Perhaps god is life, and all life is an extention of what we can only call "god" just for the lack of a better term. In that case god may exist at the molecular level, very very small. After all what is the force that makes the elements organize themselves into certain compounds, and under the right conditions can grow into more complex things as time goes on?????

Midichlorians Jo?
 
Toro
#25
Vanni, I read the first several paragraphs, and since it was long, I think I got the gist of it. For certain, religion has been used to explain things that hitherto been unexplainable by man. And as science has progressed, it has disproved factual teachings of religion, i.e. God created the world in six days. There are lots of things I have trouble swallowing in the bible. But again, that does not mean God does not exist. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. You either believe it or you don't.
 
Vanni Fucci
#26
You really should read the whole thing Toro...I'd vote in Gauvin for God...

Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

Vanni, I read the first several paragraphs, and since it was long, I think I got the gist of it. For certain, religion has been used to explain things that hitherto been unexplainable by man. And as science has progressed, it has disproved factual teachings of religion, i.e. God created the world in six days. There are lots of things I have trouble swallowing in the bible. But again, that does not mean God does not exist. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. You either believe it or you don't.

...what basis do you have for this belief?

I mean when I was a kid, I was a believer in God...but then I was also a believer in the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus...I started having doubts when I was 7 or 8 years old, so I can't imagine what would inspire someone to believe well into adulthood...

To me, the entire premise of God and Satan is a story to scare dumb people into being good...again, not unlike the boogey-man stories of children...

Nothing I have experienced in my life can be attributed to anything divine...no feeling or sensation would I interpret as being a communication from God...everything I've felt, seen or done has had valid physiological, or psychological relevance that precludes divine intervention...

So...prove that your God does exist, and I'll shut up about it...
 
I think not
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

To me, the entire premise of God and Satan is a story to scare dumb people into being good...again, not unlike the boogey-man stories of children...

I suppose the 5 Billion people that believe in one form of God or another are dumb.
 
Ocean Breeze
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by Toro

However, organized religion is a man-made institution. The crimes committed by organized religion does not prove God does not exist. It proves that man is fallible.

See if you can wrap your head around this then... (external - login to view)

good article. (thanks)

Wonder if mankind , from early onset "needed" something to "believe " in or to explain the unexplained to himself.


Don't think it is necessary to "believe " one way or another..... but keeping an open mind to all possibilities. New ideas about this evolve on a periodic basis. Man's brain is dyanamic and inquisitive. It wasn't that long ago that people "believed" the earth was flat. New data brought new knowledge, new knowledge brought new awareness.
 
Jo Canadian
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by Jo Canadian

Perhaps god is life, and all life is an extention of what we can only call "god" just for the lack of a better term. In that case god may exist at the molecular level, very very small. After all what is the force that makes the elements organize themselves into certain compounds, and under the right conditions can grow into more complex things as time goes on?????

Midichlorians Jo?

Eh? You know I never thought of that, I've had that floating in my head before the first (ie fourth) star wars was made.

Maybe Lucas is right and we should form a cult around him.
 
Ocean Breeze
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

To me, the entire premise of God and Satan is a story to scare dumb people into being good...again, not unlike the boogey-man stories of children...

I suppose the 5 Billion people that believe in one form of God or another are dumb.

wouldn't say that at all. That is the difference between BELEIVERS (fixed ideas) and explorative THINKERS.-who don't settle on one fixed idea /concept and stick to it without waver.

Many highly intelligent , capable people are "believers"......and most likely due to their formative upbringing/environment.
 
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