(N)Either

Rick van Opbergen
#1
Ehm sounds like a stupid question, but when do you use either, and when do you use neither? I keep mixing those two up, so I thought: why not ask all those friendly people of canadiancontent.net?
 
Andem
#2
Examples.

Haggis says: "I can't stand the Bush"
Andem says: "Me neither".

Haggis says: "They could have voted either Bush or Kerry"
Andem says: "Some voted neither"

Neither is used in negation; Either is more neutral.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#3
But what about:

Haggis says: "I don't like Bush"
Andem says: "I don't like him (neither/either)"
 
Andem
#4
"I don't like him neither" doesn't make sense because it's double-negation. I already negated the sentence with "don't".

"I don't like him either" makes sense.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#5
Aha ... that makes sense ....
 
Reverend Blair
#6
It's one of those things with the English language, Rick. You certainly aren't the only one to have trouble with it.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#7
True. Although I do consider English to be the easiest language to learn, but than again, Dutch is very related to English, which makes it easier to learn anyway.
 
Omega
#8
Have you learned any of the Romance languages, Rick?

I did...or at least I tried...to learn Italian when I was in my 50s. My male friend is Italian and we were taking our second trip to Italy in the near future. I signed up with Berlitz for 12 intensive lessons in Conversational Italian and realized I was not a natural at this. I only speak English, so had never even heard about masculine and feminine words, how the words have different endings depending on whether they're masculine or feminine, how our "s" is not used for plurals--it was very difficult for me. I was speaking decent, if slow, Italian by the end of it though and thought I'd do pretty good at keeping up my end in conversations there. Not! They speak so quickly and often in dialect that I was as ignorant about what they were saying as I was the first trip, when I sat there like a dummy while everyone around me laughed and talked in dialect and I felt completely left out.

Oh well, I tried...

English must be as difficult for those who don't speak a Germanic language as their mother tongue as a Romance language was for me. You yourself have a very good grip on the English language.
 
JDream
#9
Hmmmm.. I grew up with Italian & Spanish cause I have some family living in Italy and Spain
Rick, Tis idd intressant dat je da vraagt, maar okeej, als je de voorbeelden snapt dan.. kan je het wel

I don't like chocolate.
I don't like it either.

loooll I think..
 
Rick van Opbergen
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Omega

Have you learned any of the Romance languages, Rick?

Well, I got French at school - every pupil gets French at school here - and it's relatively hard yes. As you point out with Italian - the fact that that language has masculine and female words -, the same accounts for Dutch - we don't have masculine and female words either, like the case is with English, so those languages are tricky for us too. I think that is also one of the reasons why I'm not really fond of Romance languages - not because they aren't beautiful languages, but it is relatively difficult to learn (not the vocabulary though).
 
peapod
#11
omega said,
My male friend is Italian and we were taking our second trip to Italy in the near future. You go girl :P
My male friend is a lumberjack :P and we are taking a kayak trip next weekend. And he either pulls his weight or neither of us will be happy :P He is phoenix, I am pegasus, and neither of us wear leopard capris's. :P We feel the quiet energy of the living world, no seperate from the energy living through us
 
Reverend Blair
#12
Heh, heh. When my father was in University he had to take a language. Since he'd been speaking Ukranian all of his life he thought he'd take that. He damn near failed the course. He had to go get his grandmother, who had been educated in the Ukraine, to tutor him.

Seems Ukranian is a very difficult language. There are, for example, sixteen different ways of saying "you" depending on age, sex, social stature, and the relationship between the speaker and the one being spoken too/about.

It's not exactly the same language he learned as a boy on the farm.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#13
There are a lot of (descendants of) Ukranians in Canada right?
 
peapod
#14
this one is for for you rev :P

The Beer Drinkers Anthem
DOUGH... the stuff, that buys me beer
RAY..... the guy that sells me beer
ME...... the one, who drinks the beer
FAR..... a long way to the beer
SO...... I'll have another beer
LA...... La la la la la beer
TEA...... no thanks, I'm drinking beer
That will leave me with no DOUGH.....
 
Reverend Blair
#15
Quote:

There are a lot of (descendants of) Ukranians in Canada right?

Yes there are. A lot of people came here from that part of the world (not just Ukraine) in the early 1900s. The area where my father grew up is almost totally Ukranian people...he never learned English until he went to school. There are similar areas with German, Polish and Hungarian people as well.

I have a framed version of The Beer Prayer on the wall beside my desk, Peapod. It's a beautiful thing.
 
Rick van Opbergen
#16
What did the Ukrainian people drive to Canada? Poverty?
 
Pemmican
#17
Oh, I can see there are many Dutch people here... well, at least 2 - Hoe gaat het met jullie?

Greetz from your neighbour country Germany
-Pemmican
 
Rick van Opbergen
#18
Hey, you speak Dutch , somehow that makes me proud haha. Well, I guess the total number of Dutch people here is two, yeah, me, and JDream; she's from Nijmegen (near the border with Germany), I'm from Eindhoven (you might know it, not so near the border with Germany, but not as far from the border as Amsterdam ).
 
Pemmican
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

Hey, you speak Dutch , somehow that makes me proud haha. Well, I guess the total number of Dutch people here is two, yeah, me, and JDream; she's from Nijmegen (near the border with Germany), I'm from Eindhoven (you might know it, not so near the border with Germany, but not as far from the border as Amsterdam ).

Hey, nice meeting you
Yes, I know both Nijmegen and Eindhoven (haven't been there yet though); Ik was in Groningen dit jaar voor koninginnedag, it was amazing!!
Mijn Nederlands is slechter dan mijn Engels dus laat maar beter Engels praten *lol*
 
Rick van Opbergen
#20
OK, haha, you may also speak German though, I'm not really good at writing or speaking it, but I can understand most of it. And, what is your opinion of your neighbors (the Dutch)? Be honest , I can take it.
 
Pemmican
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

OK, haha, you may also speak German though, I'm not really good at writing or speaking it, but I can understand most of it. And, what is your opinion of your neighbors (the Dutch)? Be honest , I can take it.

*lol* You're one of the few Dutch who didn't welcome me with the question "Krijg ik nu mijn fiets terug?" - that earns you a bonus point *jk*
I like the Dutch and also the Netherlands - maybe that's because I'm not really into football *hehe* Two of my best mates are from Holland - so ... any further questions?
What about you and your neighbors (the Germans)?
 
Rick van Opbergen
#22
"Not really into football"? OK, I consider that remark not said (...) I like the Germans, they are nice people. I don't have any German friends though (I do have some familymembers in Austria, but hey, that's not Germany). I do think Germans are bad drivers, you Germans just don't have a speedlimit do you ... But for the rest, I think we're lucky to have the Germans as our neighbors And why the ?
 
Pemmican
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

"Not really into football"? OK, I consider that remark not said (...) I like the Germans, they are nice people. I don't have any German friends though (I do have some familymembers in Austria, but hey, that's not Germany). I do think Germans are bad drivers, you Germans just don't have a speedlimit do you ... But for the rest, I think we're lucky to have the Germans as our neighbors And why the ?


*lol* Actually, it's the other way round:
Yeah, we don't have a speed limit on most of our motorways, but noone really speeds up to the limit at all ... except the Dutch when they're on the motorways here... maybe they wanna try here what they're not allowed to do there...
I wouldn't mind a speed limit that much anyway as it'd reduce accidents.

See, we have now smoothed out all the difficulties between Dutch and Germans - a first step, now we only need to have the rest of them that way!
 
Rick van Opbergen
#24
I was actually pointing at those speeding Germans on the Dutch motorways haha.

With other difficulties, you probably mean WW II right?
 
Pemmican
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

I was actually pointing at those speeding Germans on the Dutch motorways haha.

With other difficulties, you probably mean WW II right?


I meant everything
 
Rick van Opbergen
#26
That Germans are arrogant, like the dig big pits on the Dutch beaches and steel our bikes?
 
Pemmican
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Rick van Opbergen

That Germans are arrogant, like the dig big pits on the Dutch beaches and steel our bikes?

Yeah, all of that *g*
 
Rick van Opbergen
#28
So you say that isn't true?
 
Pemmican
#29
Na, I didn't - I just said we should bury all these thoughts in the pits at the Dutch beaches *hehe*
 
Rick van Opbergen
#30
So, do you have some "truths" about the Dutch you want to share with me? I can take it, I can take it hahaha.
 
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