Jonathan Brown on sex slavery


Locutus
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So who is Jonathan Brown (external - login to view)?
Jonathan Brown is the Alwaleed bin Talal Chair of Islamic Civilization in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, and he is the Director of the Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim Christian Understanding.
Brown has recently hit the headlines for defending the practices of slavery and concubinage in a lecture (external - login to view). Like many apologists he borrows from discourses more usually associated with secular liberalism to soothe his listenersí ears. Some use the language of human rights and liberalism to defend illiberal practices. Brown disingenuously invokes postmodern relativist uncertainty to trivialise rape. Here are some excerpts from his justification (taken from this piece at the Daily Banter (external - login to view)).
Itís very hard to have this discussion because we think of, letís say in the modern United States, the sine qua non of morally correct sex is consent. We think of people as autonomous agents. Everybodyís an autonomous agent and itís the consent of that autonomous agent that makes a sexual action acceptable. Correct?
For most of human history human beings have not thought of consent as the essential feature of morally correct sexual activity. And second, we fetishize the idea of autonomy to the extent that we forget, again whoís really free? Are we really autonomous people? I mean what does autonomy mean? Can I just driveócan I be like a cowboy and in a movie or an action TV series where I just get on my motorcycle and just ride to the West? No, I got kids. I have a mortgage. I mean weíre all born into and live in a network of relationships and responsibilities and duties, but we have this obsession with the idea of autonomy.


We see [the difference between being a concubine and a wife] as enormous because weíre obsessed with the idea of autonomy and consent, would be my first response.
With horrible sophistry, in a calm and chatty tone, Brown presents the fact that we cannot do exactly what we feel like all the time (or will pay a price if we try to do so) as a justification for rape. Here, via Tom Holland, is another statement on the topic (from 2015).



This story broke a couple of days ago but has received comparatively little coverage. There is nothing in the mainstream media, as far as I can see, although there is of course a post on Jihad Watch (external - login to view) and a great many Trump supporters are tweeting their disapproval. To be fair, so are a good many liberals Ė but itís more dispiriting than surprising to see such comparative indifference to a tenured academic at a US university expressing these utterly horrifying views.

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Curious Cdn
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Don't his bones lie molderin' in the grave?
 
mentalfloss
#3
Non-issue.
 
Remington1
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We have some cases in our own societies, different, but here's are 4 example: Ariel Castro kidnapped 3 girls and kept them as sex slaves for years; Cameron and Janice Hooker kidnapped a girl and kept her for 7yrs (the girl in the box); Phillip Garrido kidnapped Jaycee Dugard and kept her as his sex slave for 11 Years (she was 11 when he took her); Pratt locked up a boy for 6 years as his sex slave. The difference is that we are horrified by these injustice and cruel entitlement over another human being, so for us sex slave and human trafficking, or forcing another human to marry a man 40 years her senior is against our laws.
 
Cliffy
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Some cultural habits die hard, like Locust and his fixation with all things Muslim. As Remington points out, you don't have to look farther than your next door neighbour to find sexual deviance. I some cases, you don't have to look outside your own bedroom.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Some cultural habits die hard, like Locust and his fixation with all things Muslim. As Remington points out, you don't have to look farther than your next door neighbour to find sexual deviance. I some cases, you don't have to look outside your own bedroom.

I have really good binoculars and you don't know just how right you are!
 
gerryh
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Bountiful
 
Johnnny
#8
This guy might get lucky and get referenced in a Jedi Mind Tricks song like David Koresh....
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Some cultural habits die hard, like Locust and his fixation with all things Muslim. As Remington points out, you don't have to look farther than your next door neighbour to find sexual deviance. I some cases, you don't have to look outside your own bedroom.

You do understand that there's a difference between rape and actually justifying it by trying to normalize it though, right?
I mean geez, humans have been conquering each other and occupying each others lands all through history. Hell, that was "normal" for thousands and thousands of years up until recently, relatively speaking. So I guess we should quit bitching about the conquest of the Americas and all the killing and colonizing that went on.
Slavery in general was a huge part of human history and in some countries and cultures, still is. I guess that makes it okay for me to kidnap some inferior being and force them to serve me. Where do you live again, Cliffy?
 
Dixie Cup
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Some cultures have evolved - others haven't; some people have evolved and others haven't. We all still have a ways to go.


JMHO
 
Locutus
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Non-issue.

there are four lights cuck.

you and your ilk neither fool nor convince anyone otherwise.
 

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