Fentanyl

petros
#1
W-18, Carfentanil

Haven't heard of them?

You have now. Get out there and try it. It must be fun if so many are doing it.

It's every second word in the media advertising it 24/7.

Does media lingering on a drug advertise it sparking interest in trying it?
 
Ludlow
#2
I heard those things can kill you quick. Bad enough having to take painkillers in pill form. My sister was prescribed a Fentanyl patch years ago and it made her deathly ill. They have me on percoset 5mg and lyrica 150mg for pain.
 
TenPenny
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#3
One story I heard was that carfentanyl is fatal in quantities the size of a grain of rice (or was it a grain of sand?).


And that paramedics in some cities are using 10-12 shots of naloxone EVERY SHIFT.


People are desperately looking for something, apparently.
 
lone wolf
+2
#4
Try God.... You can get seriously messed up - but you don't die from it
 
petros
+1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

One story I heard was that carfentanyl is fatal in quantities the size of a grain of rice (or was it a grain of sand?).


And that paramedics in some cities are using 10-12 shots of naloxone EVERY SHIFT.


People are desperately looking for something, apparently.

Grain of salt.

Yeah this is getting put of hand.

We need EMS available for real emergencies.

Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I heard those things can kill you quick. Bad enough having to take painkillers in pill form. My sister was prescribed a Fentanyl patch years ago and it made her deathly ill. They have me on percoset 5mg and lyrica 150mg for pain.

Nerve pain eh?
 
Ludlow
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Grain of salt.

Yeah this is getting put of hand.

We need EMS available for real emergencies.



Nerve pain eh?

Nerve and circulatory. DVT which caused severe swelling which caused permanent nerve damage.
 
petros
#7
Post thrombitic neuropathy.
 
Ludlow
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Post thrombitic neuropathy.

Yeah. It sucks too.
 
petros
#9
I know from experience.
 
skookumchuck
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#10  Top Rated Post
Given that virtually all of the addicts and kids know the score, leave them alone, save money and time. Anyone notice that when the media does an interview it is always with the mother of the "victim". Seems there are no fathers.
 
petros
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#11
Even so, mom and dad can't beat sense into a kid any longer.
 
Danbones
#12
no, beatings are out...
then the kids would need a pain killer
 
MHz
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I heard those things can kill you quick. Bad enough having to take painkillers in pill form. My sister was prescribed a Fentanyl patch years ago and it made her deathly ill. They have me on percoset 5mg and lyrica 150mg for pain.

I'm not about to tell people what they should or should not take for pain but I also advocate a person look up the available treatments and what is available that you haven't already considered. In your particular case I would suggest a patch based on medical pot. If not a patch then something you eat so the level is constant. If your location allows that treatment then part of the process is getting samples before settling on which product offers you the best solution for your unique case. Start off with the strongest dose available and then complete a set of movements that would set off pain alarms without the meds. In my case I have good mobility for the first 3 repetitions and by the 5th time my speed is at half and the weight I could pick up is at about 1/4. Three t3's over 8 hours makes 10 reps possible but then it is questionable if I should drive. I walk and take the pills, if I drove I would be walking and that is when I need the pain meds the most as driving was the main part of my duty, paying attention to where you were was just above that. They don't do anything for the balance issue but that is a different issue.

If it happened to make more for this song then that is a side effect that you can get used to as it should have happened long ago if you were firing on all brain cells like you claim.

httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvyhOKhJaM1QE



Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

no, beatings are out...
then the kids would need a pain killer

Perhaps if it was given to them before the said beating happened. Then the next time the pill was offered he would relate to the pain the beating caused that the pill didn't cover and then he would stop the annoying behavior. When he flinches when the pill comes into sight the treatment has gone as far as it can be taken.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It must be fun if so many are doing it.

It's every second word in the media advertising it 24/7.

Does media lingering on a drug advertise it sparking interest in trying it?

Perhaps some identifier could be worn that showed what kind of drug you were on would be used to advertise the drug and if people could stand you then the odds are they will want that on their prescription list also. It can go along with the decals of corporations the politicians have to show for the cameras before starting any public statement.
News anchors would be especially useful as they are in the public eye on a daily basis, rather than pictures of family they can have the drug logos on display instead.

Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Even so, mom and dad can't beat sense into a kid any longer.

Really?? Even after seeing what fine results came out of it when it was used on them, I'm shocked. Parenting has a long ways to go. For starters I think you end up with a smarter child if the smarter parent is the one that spends most of the time interacting with the child, especially in the 0-6 yr range as other children begin to be the main influence about then. The better balanced the child is the less f*ck-ups they will make later in life and that is good for society overall.
Did I mention that becoming a parent is admitting you don't have a life and have decided to make yourself a thankless slave for the rest of your life part? (for both parents so don't think the dummer one gets off easier)
 
Ludlow
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

I'm not about to tell people what they should or should not take for pain but I also advocate a person look up the available treatments and what is available that you haven't already considered. In your particular case I would suggest a patch based on medical pot. If not a patch then something you eat so the level is constant. If your location allows that treatment then part of the process is getting samples before settling on which product offers you the best solution for your unique case. Start off with the strongest dose available and then complete a set of movements that would set off pain alarms without the meds. In my case I have good mobility for the first 3 repetitions and by the 5th time my speed is at half and the weight I could pick up is at about 1/4. Three t3's over 8 hours makes 10 reps possible but then it is questionable if I should drive. I walk and take the pills, if I drove I would be walking and that is when I need the pain meds the most as driving was the main part of my duty, paying attention to where you were was just above that. They don't do anything for the balance issue but that is a different issue.
If it happened to make more for this song then that is a side effect that you can get used to as it should have happened long ago if you were firing on all brain cells like you claim.

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I do what the doctors and medical personel tell me Megaloon. I don't know why my body is goin haywire but they do. They're the professionals. The lady Doctor examining me in Carson City noticed my right calf was swollen. She ordered the sonogram and then after the clot was diagnosed she ordered the ER. In short, she saved my life. So I'll do what they tell me to do and take the meds they give me. I'll live, or I'll die. But I'll know the experts did their best
 
MHz
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I do what the doctors and medical personel tell me Megaloon. I don't know why my body is goin haywire but they do. They're the professionals. The lady Doctor examining me in Carson City noticed my right calf was swollen. She ordered the sonogram and then after the clot was diagnosed she ordered the ER. In short, she saved my life. So I'll do what they tell me to do and take the meds they give me. I'll live, or I'll die. But I'll know the experts did their best

Swelling is usually accompanied by pain and you felt nothing? My doc knows if I wake up feeling more confused than normal. Turns out going off a muscle relaxant changed my sleeping pattern to less than 1 hr at a time and that change was the cause of the change so going on something that gave me 2 hs of solid sleep several times a day was enough to make that go away.
I would expect nothing less, that being said you have more rights to your body than she does and there are avenues open to you that are not open to her. One such option would be which plants should you you have in the rooms that you spend most of your time in with the goal in mint to get rid of air-born toxins and to add a touch of 02 to the air. For the other crowd that could be done with a device the size of a night light and a fan that collects dust as well as putting the dial at Amazon Forest levels if that is what the person wants.
I doubt your doctor would frown on either method. If you have a pool is it saltwater? Does it have ozone filtration?? She would care even less than I do. The point of this thread is not to become your new doctor but it is about how well do you take care of yourself if the leg was as close to killing you as it appears to have been. That would probably inspire me to do a bit of solid research on the issues that were in play and if a small change in a diet was suggested after reading up on the health benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar including pain from arthritis that is part of getting old (rather than older) and a person can find relief without the Pharmacy being involved. More exotic ailments would be judged by the person going through it but if I have read something about the same ailment that they have not then I should at least mention it. Your personal feelings will overshadow anything I could add anyway rather than I would just be looking at a way to mess you up even more than you already are. You will notice that I don't even know what dose to suggest, had I gone through the process then I would have relayed the results.

The point you are avoiding is that medical pot might work for you and all studies show that it is something that can be used long term as your condition is likely to get worse with time rather than better. So far I'm not making any plans to go past 80.
 
Ludlow
#16
The swelling hurt like a son of a b*tch what are you talkin about? I could barely walk and sleep was out of the question.

Hell who'd want to go past 80? If I lived in another time and place maybe.

I smoked pot when I was young. I never liked the way it made me feel
 
MHz
#17
This time it is for pain relief. That might be the only thing that changes. You only get high from pain killers if you take them when you in no pain.

80 and broadband and working mind would be okay. Staring at a wall would make the suicide pill a serious option. Mobility and being able to wipe my own *ss is about it as far as my demands go.
 
petros
+1
#18
1.5kg of fentanyl seized today. "Authorities" say it's enough to kill 750,000 people.
 
Ludlow
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

This time it is for pain relief. That might be the only thing that changes. You only get high from pain killers if you take them when you in no pain.

80 and broadband and working mind would be okay. Staring at a wall would make the suicide pill a serious option. Mobility and being able to wipe my own *ss is about it as far as my demands go.

Well you're wrong. First time I took my lyrica and percoset I was in a casino and my leg was killing me. When they kicked in I was high as a fookin kite. My daughter had to drive me home.
 
darkbeaver
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

This time it is for pain relief. That might be the only thing that changes. You only get high from pain killers if you take them when you in no pain.

80 and broadband and working mind would be okay. Staring at a wall would make the suicide pill a serious option. Mobility and being able to wipe my own *ss is about it as far as my demands go.

How is it that you don't know high? We are each of us in pain all day here on the mound of hades the Sinai of the souls. If you are painless you are not working on your resurrection hard enough. You are here for trials and tribulations. Slackers be damned.
 
taxslave
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#21
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

One story I heard was that carfentanyl is fatal in quantities the size of a grain of rice (or was it a grain of sand?).


And that paramedics in some cities are using 10-12 shots of naloxone EVERY SHIFT.


People are desperately looking for something, apparently.

Grain of sand size can kill.
The do gooders are even trying to get first responders to certify to administer naloxone.
I see it as Darwin taking control of the situation.
 
TenPenny
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Grain of sand size can kill.
The do gooders are even trying to get first responders to certify to administer naloxone.
I see it as Darwin taking control of the situation.



Yes, it's good to have people die from taking something they didn't know they were taking.


I like your theory.
 
Mowich
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#24


Nine people died from overdoses in Vancouver overnight, says Vancouver’s police chief.

Chief Adam Palmer made the announcement on Friday morning, and joined Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson in calling for the provincial government to shift its focus from harm-reduction to addiction treatment (external - login to view) in fighting the region’s opioid crisis.

The chief called for both detox help and longer-term treatment for those who claim they’re ready to get off drugs.

“Imagine you’re a person addicted to drugs” and homeless with a mental illness. People who want to get help are told to wait nine days, he said.

Robertson expressed concerns about the “horrific” impact that important harm-reduction work has on those providing it. He added that governments have not properly dealt with the root causes of drug addiction nor given enough attention to treatment, and we are now seeing the results of that.

“It’s desperate times in Vancouver, and it’s hard to see any silver lining,” Robertson said. “We’ve been treading water for many years with Canada’s only harm-reduction strategy of note.”

Mental health and the housing crisis have played a role in addiction and the current overdose epidemic, Robertson added.

On Tuesday, the City of Vancouver approved a 3.9-per-cent property tax increase that included 0.5 per cent earmarked specifically to fight the city’s drug crisis (external - login to view).

Fentanyl is the primary enemy, although other, more toxic synthetic opioids have begun to appear on the street in recent months.

John McKearney, Vancouver’s fire chief, said the City of Vancouver has shown leadership, but the provincial government needs to become more involved in providing treatment for members of the community.

Nine die from overdoses overnight in Vancouver (external - login to view)


 
Machjo
#25
What about the drug traffickers? Some say they're just hard-working capitalists, that the government needs to stop acting like a nanny state and leave supply and demand to their own devices. Others say that drug trafficking is tantamount to murder and ought to be punished with equal severity? So which is it? Should we sell carfentanyl at the local grocery store or should we prosecute?
 
Johnnny
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#26
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

What about the drug traffickers? Some say they're just hard-working capitalists, that the government needs to stop acting like a nanny state and leave supply and demand to their own devices. Others say that drug trafficking is tantamount to murder and ought to be punished with equal severity? So which is it? Should we sell carfentanyl at the local grocery store or should we prosecute?

If you have actually personally met the people who sell this stuff you would know this question to be funny.
 
Machjo
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

If you have actually personally met the people who sell this stuff you would know this question to be funny.

Pardon my ignorance on that front. How so?
 
Johnnny
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Pardon my ignorance on that front. How so?

Your not ignorant but in my experience (being arrogant) is that the people who sell this stuff aint the normal sort that most of the people who post here meet.

** edit** If your talking about dealers

So basically im saying prosecute to the fullest extent
 
Machjo
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Your not ignorant but in my experience (being arrogant) is that the people who sell this stuff aint the normal sort that most of the people who post here meet.

** edit** If your talking about dealers

I know enough about life that a drug trafficker could invite me to his home for dinner and as long as he's hid the more obvious signs of his trade, I would be none the wiser. I don't usually presume my friends, family, or acquaintances including neighbours to sell drugs if you know what I mean.
 
Johnnny
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

I know enough about life that a drug trafficker could invite me to his home for dinner and as long as he's hid the more obvious signs of his trade, I would be none the wiser. I don't usually presume my friends, family, or acquaintances including neighbours to sell drugs if you know what I mean.

Im not talking about that but yes a few people hide it well. What im saying that if youve actually had to sit down with someone who willingly sells this stuff to other human beings that you would realize that these people need to be prosecuted.

Predators like these people require the fullest extent of the law to be dropped on them there is no debate. That why i said it was funny.
 
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