Teacher claims she was fired for standing up for student with special needs


SLM
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Teacher claims she was fired for standing up for student with special needs




Parents are rallying behind a former Vancouver teacher who claims she was fired for standing up for a student with special needs.


CTV Vancouver, February 15, 2014 12:29:00 AM
Parents are rallying behind a former Vancouver teacher who claims she was fired for standing up for a student with special needs.
Susan Debeck was teaching at University Hill Elementary School when a five-year-old boy with autism began crying inconsolably. She called the office for help and two administrators came to the classroom.
"They took the child under his armpits and they dragged him down the hall," Debeck said. "By that time the child was screaming. I was outside the classroom, I was crying myself."
Debeck said the incident was one of the most distressing in her 18-year career. She believes physical intervention was unnecessary, citing training protocols that advise it should be a last resort for students who are a threat to themselves or others.
Afterward, she decided to raise the issue with her superiors.
"If there are practices in my school that I feel are untenable then as a professional I feel I need to uphold that and say 'No, this is not alright,'" Debeck said. "My first loyalty is to my students."
Several hearings followed, and in October 2013, she was fired.
The Vancouver School Board can't discuss the matter but an administrators' report described Debeck's conduct as "insolent and insubordinate."
"Debeck has continued to communicate in a manner which undermines public confidence in the school system and its capacity to provide services to students with special needs," it reads.
Debeck told the board she didn't have the proper training or support to handle special needs students in her class, and that there are many teachers struggling through similar situations.
Her firing has upset parents at her former school, including Henry Davis, who supports her cause.
"We need to put some resources into it so that people like Susan and the rest of the excellent teachers at the Vancouver School Board can get the support they need," Davis said.
The B.C. Teachers Federation said the number of classrooms containing four or more students with special needs has soared from 9,599 in 2006 to 16,163 in 2014.
The union said many teachers need additional help, though B.C. Education Minister Peter Fassbender said the government is already working on a strategy.
"We will be putting out some provincial guidelines to make sure we have a base of approaches when we're dealing with special needs students," he said.
Debeck's union has grieved her termination. She said she's being offered retirement or resignation, but not her job back.
She said this isn't the way she wanted to end her career, but if speaking out helps create better conditions for students, it will have been worth it.
With a report from CTV Vancouver's Mi-Jung Lee


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gerryh
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Take the retirement without any conditions or gag orders, then fight the good fight full time.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Teacher claims she was fired for standing up for student with special needs




Parents are rallying behind a former Vancouver teacher who claims she was fired for standing up for a student with special needs.


CTV Vancouver, February 15, 2014 12:29:00 AM
Parents are rallying behind a former Vancouver teacher who claims she was fired for standing up for a student with special needs.
Susan Debeck was teaching at University Hill Elementary School when a five-year-old boy with autism began crying inconsolably. She called the office for help and two administrators came to the classroom.
"They took the child under his armpits and they dragged him down the hall," Debeck said. "By that time the child was screaming. I was outside the classroom, I was crying myself."
Debeck said the incident was one of the most distressing in her 18-year career. She believes physical intervention was unnecessary, citing training protocols that advise it should be a last resort for students who are a threat to themselves or others.
Afterward, she decided to raise the issue with her superiors.
"If there are practices in my school that I feel are untenable then as a professional I feel I need to uphold that and say 'No, this is not alright,'" Debeck said. "My first loyalty is to my students."
Several hearings followed, and in October 2013, she was fired.
The Vancouver School Board can't discuss the matter but an administrators' report described Debeck's conduct as "insolent and insubordinate."
"Debeck has continued to communicate in a manner which undermines public confidence in the school system and its capacity to provide services to students with special needs," it reads.
Debeck told the board she didn't have the proper training or support to handle special needs students in her class, and that there are many teachers struggling through similar situations.
Her firing has upset parents at her former school, including Henry Davis, who supports her cause.
"We need to put some resources into it so that people like Susan and the rest of the excellent teachers at the Vancouver School Board can get the support they need," Davis said.
The B.C. Teachers Federation said the number of classrooms containing four or more students with special needs has soared from 9,599 in 2006 to 16,163 in 2014.
The union said many teachers need additional help, though B.C. Education Minister Peter Fassbender said the government is already working on a strategy.
"We will be putting out some provincial guidelines to make sure we have a base of approaches when we're dealing with special needs students," he said.
Debeck's union has grieved her termination. She said she's being offered retirement or resignation, but not her job back.
She said this isn't the way she wanted to end her career, but if speaking out helps create better conditions for students, it will have been worth it.
With a report from CTV Vancouver's Mi-Jung Lee


Teacher claims she was fired for standing up for student with special needs (external - login to view)

Typical................she made the mistake of questioning some f**King idiot who knows more!
 
lone wolf
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How many school boards are actually called from teachers who loved their calling?
 
cj44
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Where would we be without adminstrators? Amazingly, they chose the most detrimental action to "help" the kid. I predict protests will grow over firing Debeck & she will get her job back. I do wonder the thought processes of the administrators that dragged the kid down the hall. Where they thinking, "Hmmm, here is a child whose neurosensory processes aren't working properly. Any additional stimuli in this situation will be torturous for the kid. Hmmm. Yes, let's drag him down the hall anyway." IDIOTS!!!! They are the sort that would drag a paralyzed child out of his wheelchair and demand him to walk.
 
Cannuck
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Nothing new here. Ever since society has demanded that somebody be held responsible for everything, decision making has been taken out of the hands of front line workers.
 
cj44
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Nothing new here. Ever since society has demanded that somebody be held responsible for everything, decision making has been taken out of the hands of front line workers.

Cannuck,
I bid you to run for US president in 2016. I do hope you are a US citizen. If not, get to work on some creative paperwork.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44View Post

Cannuck,
I bid you to run for US president in 2016. I do hope you are a US citizen. If not, get to work on some creative paperwork.

Many of these problems are easy to solve. You just need clearly defined goals. In the private sector, that's easy...make money. In government people tend to talk endlessly about process without even considering the big picture goals.

Preston Manning believed that the first paragraph of any law or policy should clearly define what the goals of the law/policy should be. Most workers are smart enough to know if their actions are in line with the goals. Unfortunately in government, the unwritten goals are to protect your superior's *** and in many cases the superior finds it easier to just remove the decision making ability away from the worker. That's why we see so many gag orders. Our municipality made a policy that fire officers were not allowed to talk to the media. We got around that by having a Firefighter Association....drove the politicians bonkers.
 
cj44
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Many of these problems are easy to solve. You just need clearly defined goals. In the private sector, that's easy...make money. In government people tend to talk endlessly about process without even considering the big picture goals.

Preston Manning believed that the first paragraph of any law or policy should clearly define what the goals of the law/policy should be. Most workers are smart enough to know if their actions are in line with the goals. Unfortunately in government, the unwritten goals are to protect your superior's *** and in many cases the superior finds it easier to just remove the decision making ability away from the worker. That's why we see so many gag orders. Our municipality made a policy that fire officers were not allowed to talk to the media. We got around that by having a Firefighter Association....drove the politicians bonkers.

Well, I can see we need to start positioning you to run for 2016. We might have to find a different avatar for the campaign posters. Though, it would be edgy to use the dude you have here with his tongue sticking out at all.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Teacher claims she was fired for standing up for student with special needs




Parents are rallying behind a former Vancouver teacher who claims she was fired for standing up for a student with special needs.


CTV Vancouver, February 15, 2014 12:29:00 AM
Parents are rallying behind a former Vancouver teacher who claims she was fired for standing up for a student with special needs.
Susan Debeck was teaching at University Hill Elementary School when a five-year-old boy with autism began crying inconsolably. She called the office for help and two administrators came to the classroom.
"They took the child under his armpits and they dragged him down the hall," Debeck said. "By that time the child was screaming. I was outside the classroom, I was crying myself."
Debeck said the incident was one of the most distressing in her 18-year career. She believes physical intervention was unnecessary, citing training protocols that advise it should be a last resort for students who are a threat to themselves or others.
Afterward, she decided to raise the issue with her superiors.
"If there are practices in my school that I feel are untenable then as a professional I feel I need to uphold that and say 'No, this is not alright,'" Debeck said. "My first loyalty is to my students."
Several hearings followed, and in October 2013, she was fired.
The Vancouver School Board can't discuss the matter but an administrators' report described Debeck's conduct as "insolent and insubordinate."
"Debeck has continued to communicate in a manner which undermines public confidence in the school system and its capacity to provide services to students with special needs," it reads.
Debeck told the board she didn't have the proper training or support to handle special needs students in her class, and that there are many teachers struggling through similar situations.
Her firing has upset parents at her former school, including Henry Davis, who supports her cause.
"We need to put some resources into it so that people like Susan and the rest of the excellent teachers at the Vancouver School Board can get the support they need," Davis said.
The B.C. Teachers Federation said the number of classrooms containing four or more students with special needs has soared from 9,599 in 2006 to 16,163 in 2014.
The union said many teachers need additional help, though B.C. Education Minister Peter Fassbender said the government is already working on a strategy.
"We will be putting out some provincial guidelines to make sure we have a base of approaches when we're dealing with special needs students," he said.
Debeck's union has grieved her termination. She said she's being offered retirement or resignation, but not her job back.
She said this isn't the way she wanted to end her career, but if speaking out helps create better conditions for students, it will have been worth it.
With a report from CTV Vancouver's Mi-Jung Lee


Teacher claims she was fired for standing up for student with special needs (external - login to view)

An interesting claim... no one else saw anything? No one, with a kid screaming their guts out in the hall and only she saw this. Hm...and they've fired her just on this.... I find this hard to believe but I guess it's possible. Usually though there is one very long paper trail before anyone gets fired let alone someone in a union.

And of course administrators can not speak publicly but she can. Will be interesting to see how this unfolds when more can come out.
 
JLM
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I see the forum dweeb is alive and well!

Quote: Originally Posted by cj44View Post

Cannuck,
I bid you to run for US president in 2016. I do hope you are a US citizen. If not, get to work on some creative paperwork.

Why such a hated for our best and closest neighbours?
 
Nuggler
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They wouldn't dare pull that shyte in Ont. Teacher's union would gut them.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

They wouldn't dare pull that shyte in Ont. Teacher's union would gut them.

yes, which is why I am wondering about her "story".

then too we have E.A. with high needs kids

what happened in the classroom first, and why would two administrators come down and start dragging the kid away, what she is claiming doesn't quite seem right...could be of course but, seems a bit sketchy

They don't just fire someone for mouthing off....they've got something on her.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

yes, which is why I am wondering about her "story".

then too we have E.A. with high needs kids

what happened in the classroom first, and why would two administrators come down and start dragging the kid away, what she is claiming doesn't quite seem right...could be of course but, seems a bit sketchy



Sounds bloody violent, and definitely the wrong way to handle it. A bit sketchy for sure.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Sounds bloody violent, and definitely the wrong way to handle it. A bit sketchy for sure.

eh they grabbed the kid under the arms....not so violent depending upon the size of the kid (not mentioned) how violent the kid is normally (not mentioned) system in place for dealing with said kid (not mentioned)

and she was crying? really? a professional standing in the hall crying, a kid screaming and ? no one else is mentioned...

and the number of parents behind her in this rally (not mentioned)

it is weird for sure!

news media strikes again perhaps
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

They don't just fire someone for mouthing off....they've got something on her.

Sure they do. One of the worst things a government employee can do is talk out of turn
 
cj44
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I see the forum dweeb is alive and well!



Why such a hated for our best and closest neighbours?

What? I thought cannuck was for abolishing the socialist welfare state. Did I read to much into his post?
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44View Post

What? I thought cannuck was for abolishing the socialist welfare state. Did I read to much into his post?

I'm for effective and efficient use of taxpayers dollars. That's what pisses off JLM. He feels entitled to his entitlements.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Sure they do. One of the worst things a government employee can do is talk out of turn

Really? They do? Do you know your labour laws and how unions work?

Give me a for instance.

With the labour laws you still can't just fire someone for mouthing off, you need at least a year's worth of bad behaviour on them and they have to sign off on it or you have to sign off on it indicating they refused to sign.... and they will still take it before the labour board and attempt to sue...you don't fire anyone these days without just cause..

We had a principal in our province who was accused of abusive behaviour by both students and teachers, it hit the paper and then disappeared. What REALLY happened was she was quietly given a very large settlement and so she wouldn't fight it.
 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I'm for effective and efficient use of taxpayers dollars. That's what pisses off JLM. He feels entitled to his entitlements.

Everybody is entitled to their entitlements.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Sure they do. One of the worst things a government employee can do is talk out of turn

Is this based upon your personal observations?
 
Liberalman
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Special needs children have to be segregated to their own classroom and taught by specially trained teachers
 
taxslave
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I suspect there is a whole bunch more than this one incident. It is not easy to fire a teacher in BC. WHich is why we have so many poor ones.
 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I suspect there is a whole bunch more than this one incident. It is not easy to fire a teacher in BC. WHich is why we have so many poor ones.

It's the province of British Columbia that can change this by testing the teachers every five years and the ones that don't measure up can go back to school
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Is this based upon your personal observations?

Yes, I work in government. We have policies regarding speaking publicly. Practically every department...municipal, provincial and federal have these. Unions help get around these but one must let the union do the talking.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I'm for effective and efficient use of taxpayers dollars. That's what pisses off JLM. He feels entitled to his entitlements.

H.T.F. do you know what pisses me off, dweeb? Go climb back in your hole. I guess you don't figure you're entitled to your entitlements, Einstein!

Hey Goober- Good to see you are evening things up with a little sanity! -
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Yes, I work in government. We have policies regarding speaking publicly. Practically every department...municipal, provincial and federal have these. Unions help get around these but one must let the union do the talking.


She didn't speak "publicly" about it till AFTER she was fired. Try again junior. Obviously Sal knows the Labour laws a hell of a lot better than you do.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I guess you don't figure you're entitled to your entitlements, Einstein!

No. I don't believe anybody should be entitled to any government handout. Fiscal responsibility should be the first priority. Social programs come once the budget is balance and priorities set. I understand that this stance bothers some people on the government *** but I won't lose any sleep over their pissiness.

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

She didn't speak "publicly" about it till AFTER she was fired. Try again junior. Obviously Sal knows the Labour laws a hell of a lot better than you do.

Tsk tsk tsk Gerry. Haven't you learned yet not to question me?

From the article..

"The Vancouver School Board can't discuss the matter but an administrators' report described Debeck's conduct as "insolent and insubordinate."
"Debeck has continued to communicate in a manner which undermines public confidence in the school system."

Thanks for your input though...entertaining as usual.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post


Tsk tsk tsk Gerry. Haven't you learned yet not to question me?

From the article..

"The Vancouver School Board can't discuss the matter but an administrators' report described Debeck's conduct as "insolent and insubordinate."
"Debeck has continued to communicate in a manner which undermines public confidence in the school system."

Thanks for your input though...entertaining as usual.


It is so vague as to mean nothing. tsk tsk tsk cannuck, still shouting airie farie crap as if it was fact.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

It is so vague as to mean nothing. tsk tsk tsk cannuck, still shouting airie farie crap as if it was fact.

Well, I guess some people would believe she could have been undermining public confidence by not speaking publicly although It isn't really vague at all. You really should run along Gerry. You've only just started and you're already floundering.
 

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