Guilt By Association or Justifiable Concern?


SLM
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Parents want teacher married to pedophile gone

QMI Agency

Dec 5, 2013 , Last Updated: 1:49 PM ET

LAVAL, Que. Parents at Hillcrest Academy in suburban Montreal want the school to remove a teacher whose husband is a convicted pedophile.
Fifty parents met on Wednesday evening to request the suspension of the teacher, whose husband was charged on Nov. 21 with criminal harassment against two children.
Howard Krupp, 67, was the subject of a police alert after children were allegedly approached by a man in west-end Montreal. Krupp has prior convictions for possession of child pornography.
Hillcrest parents became outraged when Krupp allegedly came to the school to pick up his wife earlier this semester.
Bail conditions stipulate that he must stay at least 500 metres from elementary schools.
Some parents told QMI Agency they'll keep their children home if the teacher shows up at school again.
"My daughter only returned to school because she had a substitute teacher," said one father, who wouldn't give his name. "I'm studying this situation day by day."
Another parent says the children, and even the teacher, are suffering.
"She's not in a condition to be able to teach," the parent said. "She cries on the phone constantly, the children have witnessed it. This is a rigorous person, she has to make the right decision."
The Sir. Wilfrid Laurier School Board refused to say if the teacher would remain at the school.

Parents want teacher married to pedophile gone

As a parent I certainly wouldn't be comfortable with the knowledge that he was at the school, for whatever reason. But ultimately that's a bail issue, he certainly can have his bail revoked if it is indeed true.

But should she be dismissed because of his prior conviction or current charges, which haven't been tried in court? She didn't do anything wrong, aside from arguably having poor taste in men perhaps.
 
Zipperfish
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People are too scared these days. Really, what's the risk?
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

But should she be dismissed because of his prior conviction or current charges, which haven't been tried in court? She didn't do anything wrong, aside from arguably having poor taste in men perhaps.



If there is child porn in the house, how do we know it was him and him alone who was in possession of it? Do we know for sure that she had no part in his perversion, even just in seeing that it was happening and tolerating it? I would leave my husband if he were a pedophile, as his sex life, is my sex life. I do not understand women who stay married to pedophiles. I would NOT trust her around my child.
 
MHz
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#4
Sounds good, now identify all the ones in Politics and the Churches before taking on the minor areas of society.
 
karrie
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teachers in charge of kids, are a minor area of society when it comes to pedophilia? So, in your view, children aren't what we're trying to protect? Who is?
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

If there is child porn in the house, how do we know it was him and him alone who was in possession of it? Do we know for sure that she had no part in his perversion, even just in seeing that it was happening and tolerating it?

Do we know for sure that she did? Apparently many women have been clueless before, or in complete denial, and it doesn't make them guilty of a crime. It's makes them stupid and blind, but not criminal.

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I would leave my husband if he were a pedophile, as his sex life, is my sex life. I do not understand women who stay married to pedophiles.

I don't understand them either, nor women who remain married to men that abuse them, nor women who seek out relationships with incarcerated individuals, the list goes on.

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I would NOT trust her around my child.

I don't think I would either, her judgement at the very least, is something I would question. I'm wondering about the legal justification in suspending her though.

I don't honestly know what to think about any of this, it's just making me question myself and my reactions.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

Do we know for sure that she did?
......
I don't honestly know what to think about any of this, it's just making me question myself and my reactions.


I would not pretend to know if she did or didn't. All I know, is that she has not given me reason to trust her with my children. As a teacher (the only area of society where we are mandated by government to trust them with our children), that is unacceptable. I have no qualms about my reaction.
 
BornRuff
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Well, clearly he shouldn't be anywhere near the school, but it seems impossible to really establish any reason to fire someone simply because their husband did something wrong.

If she is having personal problems related to this whole incident, as suggested in the article, then that may be a different reason to have her take some time away.
 
karrie
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sexual involvement with a convicted pedophile after conviction should negate your ability to supervise children.
 
taxslave
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What does her union say about it? That will be the ultimate test on wether she can be fired or not.
 
karrie
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seems to me if parents don't trust her to place their children in her care, then there is not much the school or the union can do.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

seems to me if parents don't trust her to place their children in her care, then there is not much the school or the union can do.

The parents have the option of moving their kids to another school at any time. Depending on the contract language firing her might not be an option without a whole lot of expenses. Wrongful dismissal suites can be very expensive and paint a negative picture of a lot of people in a very public manner.
 
damngrumpy
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We cannot start having people painted with the same brush period.
No they should not fire the teacher for someone else's crimes or at
best problems. If that were the case soon we could impose jail terms
on people because their spouse committed a crime. It opens the door
to worse things being done by the state.
Besides it is entirely possible the wife didn't know a thing, do we suspend
police officers because their partner did something?
We have a society built on fear of everything because we have a bunch of
governments who promote fear to galvanize people instead of using reason.
 
Zipperfish
#14
SOunds like a private school, so the union won't be an issue. Those private schools will fire you as soon as look at you.

I don't really know the full story here, so not really in a position to comment (other than the general fear shown by society in general these days). Pedos are everywhere. I assume my kids are subject to them on a regular basis. 90% of them are harmless. The ones to watch out for are the ones who are family and close friends. Teachers and people with jobs around children next. After that the risk drops off substantially.
 
BornRuff
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

sexual involvement with a convicted pedophile after conviction should negate your ability to supervise children.

I don't really think that is a fair statement, and certainly not enforceable.

Firing someone over their private sexual relationships is a pretty far overreach.

Unless you can really implicate her in any wrongdoing, what can you really judge her on?

It sounds like this woman is going through an extremely tough time right now and all of this judgement from other people certainly isn't helping.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

Besides it is entirely possible the wife didn't know a thing, do we suspend
police officers because their partner did something?


She might not have, but she does now, and still she allowed him to come to the school.

Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

I don't really think that is a fair statement, and certainly not enforceable.

Firing someone over their private sexual relationships is a pretty far overreach.

Unless you can really implicate her in any wrongdoing, what can you really judge her on?

It sounds like this woman is going through an extremely tough time right now and all of this judgement from other people certainly isn't helping.




I would not put my kids in her class, because there are more questions about her than answers. I would not trust her with my kids, and given her poor judgement, I don't think anyone should be expected to.


We're not talking about criminal charges for staying with him. It's about child welfare. If someone is not in a position that children would be allowed in their home, then should you allow children into their classroom?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

She might not have, but she does now, and still she allowed him to come to the school.

If he is a convicted pedophile there should be parole conditions prohibiting him from going anywhere near a school. Call the parole board, Problem solved.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

If he is a convicted pedophile there should be parole conditions prohibiting him from going anywhere near a school. Call the parole board, Problem solved.


she had a convicted pedophile come pick her up from school... it's not just about his parole, it's about her judgement in continuing a relationship with him, and how that effects her students.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

she had a convicted pedophile come pick her up from school... it's not just about his parole, it's about her judgement in continuing a relationship with him, and how that effects her students.

If he picked her up from school then he should be back in the slammer by now so there is no problem except the one a few parents are creating.
 
karrie
#20
50+ parents who do not trust her with their children's care.


I wouldn't.


If parents don't trust you with their kids' care, then you're not fit for the job.
 

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