Cleveland Ohio RTA Bus Driver Uppercuts Female Passenger


Liberalman
#31
One never knows if one is arguing with a gentleman or an animal. People that have problems with public servants should take it to the proper channels and let them try to upper cut their supervisors so they get fired faster.
 
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Cannuck
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#32
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

The morally bankrupt can't fathom chivalry, let alone understand how someone may actually be chivalrous.

Oh. it's understood quite well by those with and without morals.
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World English Dictionary
chivalry (ˈʃɪvəlrɪ) — n , pl -ries 1. the combination of qualities expected of an ideal knight, esp courage, honour, justice, and a readiness to help the weak 2. courteous behaviour, esp towards women 3. the medieval system and principles of knighthood 4. knights, noblemen, etc, collectively [C13: from Old French chevalerie, from chevalier ] 'chivalric adj

I understand completely that some people are just misogynists that love to hide behind more friendly sounding words.
 
CDNBear
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#33
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Oh. it's understood quite well by those with and without morals.

And yet you prove you don't understand, lol.
 
#juan
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#34
Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

I'm too humanist to care what gender is doing the hitting.... No one should be hitting anyone, and if you start something, you should expect your opponent to fight back.

Gender has nothing to do with it. If you bash somebody.....expect to get bashed back. That woman in the topic opener was
an aggressive cow.
 
JLM
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Gender has nothing to do with it. If you bash somebody.....expect to get bashed back. That woman in the topic opener was
an aggressive cow.

I'm inclined to partly agree. First of all I would like to make it clear that I don't agree with men hitting women under any but the most adverse circumstances, but then again there is the exception to every rule. First of all any women who antagonizes a man just because she is "daring" him to hit her is acting in a cowardly fashion (much as I would be if I started taunting Cassius Clay) I have no problem with those who would never hit a woman, that is praiseworthy but could also result in them getting badly hurt or worse. If a woman wants to be "equal" (actually impossible) to a man then it has to apply to all aspects. You can't suck and blow at the same time.
 
L Gilbert
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#36
I think the woman and the bus driver need some growing up.
 
Ron in Regina
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#37
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

I think the woman and the bus driver need some growing up.

...and some 'quiet' time in opposite corners (noses in) for the benefit
of the other folks on that bus, and future peoples that might have to
interact with either one.
 
gerryh
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

...and some 'quiet' time in opposite corners (noses in) for the benefit
of the other folks on that bus, and future peoples that might have to
interact with either one.


Completely agree
 
L Gilbert
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

...and some 'quiet' time in opposite corners (noses in) for the benefit
of the other folks on that bus, and future peoples that might have to
interact with either one.

Yep.
 
PoliticalNick
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

This Cleveland RTA driver looked to be 220+ pounds, and he hits this lady in the face like she was a man. All he had to do was remove her off the bus, he didn't have to continue to fight her. This is way out of control anger, and not self defense as the women only hit him once and didn't continue to attack, and she should be charged.

My dad drove bus in Vancouver for over 35 years. I know many stories of drivers being beaten and threatened for reasons as stupid as asking a drunk-disorderly passenger to get off to asking someone to exhale their last puff before getting on. It is not an easy job.

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He is the supposed to be the professional here and he antagonizes her by saying she was ugly and her face was all cut up.

A professional what? He is a driver, not a therapist or a doctor. He has emotions just like the rest of us and sometimes we all get pissed-off at another's ignorance and stupidity.

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Also, the bus company should also be responsible for the drivers safety here, the girl was able to assault him.. why??

I can tell you the company will not be held liable or responsible. It has been tried in Vancouver and it don't fly.

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They do have bus driver cages.. not a very good Union. In a post 9/11 setting I am surprised that more bus companies do not protect their drivers better.

WTF does this dumb b*tch have to do with 9/11? Was she going to drive the bus into a building? How is caging the driver going to stop a passenger putting a bomb under their seat. This isn't a terrorist attack or is the bus system a major target that would be easy to protect anyhow.



Do you notice which side the driver sits on. The British have had the driver separate from the passengers since I was a kid in the sixties. Look at the old double-decker buses and he was completely removed.
 
gore0bsessed
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Gender has nothing to do with it. If you bash somebody.....expect to get bashed back. That woman in the topic opener was
an aggressive cow.

I don't care dude, he's a bus driver and should act professional. Instead he acted like an idiot just as the girl did. The girl needed to be removed from the bus, not thrown an uppercut
 
PoliticalNick
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#42
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

I don't care dude, he's a bus driver and should act professional. Instead he acted like an idiot just as the girl did. The girl needed to be removed from the bus, not thrown an uppercut

So if a bus driver is getting punched the professional thing to do is ask the person to get off the bus? I think professionalism goes out the window when somebody throws a punch, then it becomes self-defense. He may have defended himself excessively but it was justifiable self defense. Maybe you can try to be all polite and professional when someone punches you in the head...see if you can make that work for you.
 
gore0bsessed
#43
The moron bus driver was acting completely non-professional before he ever got hit, running his mouth and instigating a reaction from the girl. He didn't seem mentally stable or at all at a functional level to driving a bus. He says "You're going to jail now" than proceeds to commit assault on the woman.
 
PoliticalNick
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessedView Post

The moron bus driver was acting completely non-professional before he ever got hit, running his mouth and instigating a reaction from the girl. He didn't seem mentally stable or at all at a functional level to driving a bus. He says "You're going to jail now" than proceeds to commit assault on the woman.

Must have taken lessons from Lt. whats-his-face in Philly....

I think there could be a civil case for excessive use of force but under the actual letter of the law he was defending himself from a physical attack. It may seem quite comical but regardless of her sex, size, mental deficiencies etc once she hit him he is rightfully allowed to use physical force to end the conflict.

As I said earlier, my dad drove a city bus for over 35 years. I know many drivers. The BS they have to put up with on a daily basis would make most normal people snap in a few hours and these guys put up with it for years.
 
gore0bsessed
#45
Um when you stand up off your seat and move toward someone and uppercut them in the face, that doesn't equate even remotely to self-defense.

No doubt bus drivers put up with bull****, as any does anyone else in an occupation that must deal with people on a daily basis.



 
Angstrom
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#46
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Oh. it's understood quite well by those with and without morals.
I understand completely that some people are just misogynists that love to hide behind more friendly sounding words.



Bear can justify any of his bad behaviour.

Cause 2 wrongs make a right in his head.
Last edited by Angstrom; Oct 14th, 2012 at 04:22 PM..
 
JamesBondo
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#47
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Um when you stand up off your seat and move toward someone and uppercut them in the face, that doesn't equate even remotely to self-defense.

I respectfully disagree. She stepped forward once already, there was no indication that she wasn't going to do it again. I believe remaining sitting would have been a foolish way to defend oneself.

Also, you will note that the driver yelled " you are going to jail". This sounds more like he is exercising his right to perform a citizen's arrest. It doesn't sound like he was defending himself. My point? Anyone that takes a swing at someone sitting down, can expect the arresting citizen to take the next swing unless they get down on their knees or make some sort of declaration that they are surrendering.
Last edited by JamesBondo; Oct 14th, 2012 at 05:28 PM..
 
gerryh
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#48
Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

Bear can justify any of his bad behaviour.

Cause 2 wrongs make a right in his head.


Actually, dummy, it's cannuck that is trying to justify a bad behavior. However, with your limited comprehension skills, I can see how you missed that. Or are you onside with cannuck on this and feel that there are justifications for beating on a woman?
 
Cannuck
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#49
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Actually, dummy, it's cannuck that is trying to justify a bad behavior. However, with your limited comprehension skills, I can see how you missed that. Or are you onside with cannuck on this and feel that there are justifications for beating on a woman?

LOL...missing the point as usual. Nowhere have I said the drivers actions were acceptable. My view is that gender is irrelevant to whether the actions are acceptable or not. That is where we disagree.
 
PoliticalNick
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Actually, dummy, it's cannuck that is trying to justify a bad behavior. However, with your limited comprehension skills, I can see how you missed that. Or are you onside with cannuck on this and feel that there are justifications for beating on a woman?

Oh there are quite a few justifications there G. If some chick has a knife or a gun or baton or other weapon and is about to do harm to me or my family there is a high likelyhood she will be in need of a dentist shortly afterward. You, my friend, can take a bullet and watch your wife get shot too so as to keep your 'morals' in tact. Me, I'm knocking her out cold and making sure she ain't getting up soon.

What about women in combat roles as is becoming more prevalent in western societies? Are you saying in a wartime combat situation you would not engage in hand-to-hand combat just because it was a woman? What would you do...surrender?
 
taxslave
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

Oh there are quite a few justifications there G. If some chick has a knife or a gun or baton or other weapon and is about to do harm to me or my family there is a high likelyhood she will be in need of a dentist shortly afterward. You, my friend, can take a bullet and watch your wife get shot too so as to keep your 'morals' in tact. Me, I'm knocking her out cold and making sure she ain't getting up soon.

What about women in combat roles as is becoming more prevalent in western societies? Are you saying in a wartime combat situation you would not engage in hand-to-hand combat just because it was a woman? What would you do...surrender?

I doubt that gerry would get into that kind of a situation.
 
Angstrom
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#52
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Actually, dummy, it's cannuck that is trying to justify a bad behavior. However, with your limited comprehension skills, I can see how you missed that. Or are you onside with cannuck on this and feel that there are justifications for beating on a woman?


wow look at that one fly right over your head. Swooosh.

Sorry gerryh you have no idea. lol
 
gore0bsessed
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondoView Post

I respectfully disagree. She stepped forward once already, there was no indication that she wasn't going to do it again. I believe remaining sitting would have been a foolish way to defend oneself.

Disagree with what? He went towards her into an aggressive manner, he did not take any kind of self-defensive stance. There's nothing to debate there. lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondoView Post

Also, you will note that the driver yelled " you are going to jail". This sounds more like he is exercising his right to perform a citizen's arrest. It doesn't sound like he was defending himself. My point? Anyone that takes a swing at someone sitting down, can expect the arresting citizen to take the next swing unless they get down on their knees or make some sort of declaration that they are surrendering.

Yeah I already brought that up. You cannot exercise a citizen's arrest while committing a crime, in this case assault. Again the bus driver is not mentally stable, instigated a reaction from the girl and he is clearly not fit to do his job.

If a mod can edit post #45 and remove the youtube links that might help fix the framing of the thread. Not sure what happened there.
 
CDNBear
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

Bear can justify any of his bad behaviour.

Cause 2 wrongs make a right in his head.

Ummm, ya...

Quote: Originally Posted by AngstromView Post

wow look at that one fly right over your head. Swooosh.

Sorry gerryh you have no idea. lol

The irony is palpable.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

LOL...missing the point as usual. Nowhere have I said the drivers actions were acceptable. My view is that gender is irrelevant to whether the actions are acceptable or not. That is where we disagree.

LOL, that's funny.

So that's why you think he's a misogynist?
 
petros
#55
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
 
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