Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election


petros
#121
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

There is one thing I'm trying to get my head around. Sending voters to the wrong polling station to steal votes!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that about as effective as pulling teeth through the A$$hole?

It's still illegal.
 
Goober
#122
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

There is one thing I'm trying to get my head around. Sending voters to the wrong polling station to steal votes!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that about as effective as pulling teeth through the A$$hole?

Conducted on election day - Can mean Jail Time. 26 votes turned a Lib seat into a Con seat - do the math with frustrated Liberals getting the run around on poll stations - trying to vote - in TO the traffic sucks - 26 votes.

Total voters that turned out that day in Etobicoke Center - 52 794 - Total Voters on list - 81 765

Do the math.
 
JLM
#123
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

It's still illegal.

Which makes it all the more stupid!

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Listened to Lowell Green's stand in today - Normal partisan hacks - read Conservatives called in - their main comments wer along the lines of the Liberals as sore losers - Guess they think the law should apply only when???? it serves their own interests.

My opinion as i mentioned is 1 court case overturning an election result. Found a list of riding targeted and some riding were real close.
4. Etobicoke Centre (ON) Cons 21 644 Libs - 21 618 - 26 votes.

We will see a court case.

Sure hope so, once it's determined who was behind this skulduggery. Sh*t like this will probably result in poor voter turnout in future elections as more people see what a farce the system is. On another note, I think out of 308 ridings it is probably expected that a small handful will be won by a handful of votes, so it's doubtful if the numbers themselves will prove much.
 
Goober
#124
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Which makes it all the more stupid!



Sure hope so, once it's determined who was behind this skulduggery. Sh*t like this will probably result in poor voter turnout in future elections as more people see what a farce the system is. On another note, I think out of 308 ridings it is probably expected that a small handful will be won by a handful of votes, so it's doubtful if the numbers themselves will prove much.

35 to 40 ridings in this country define who will Govern. the rest are predictable for the most part.

So a tad over 10 % of the total seats define who will be Governing. Does that surprise you?
 
JLM
#125
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

35 to 40 ridings in this country define who will Govern. the rest are predictable for the most part.

So a tad over 10 % of the total seats define who will be Governing. Does that surprise you?

Nope, I've been around too long for much to surprise me. Also at the outset of an election we are not sure just exactly which seats those 10% will be. There are generally some seats that are predicted to favour the winner and others that are predicted to favour the loser, but nothing is carved in stone due to the fickleness of many voters and even greater fickleness of many candidates. Sh*t happens in pig pens!
 
Goober
#126
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Nope, I've been around too long for much to surprise me. Also at the outset of an election we are not sure just exactly which seats those 10% will be. There are generally some seats that are predicted to favour the winner and others that are predicted to favour the loser, but nothing is carved in stone due to the fickleness of many voters and even greater fickleness of many candidates. Sh*t happens in pig pens!

These seats are well known.
 
JLM
#127
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

These seats are well known.

Some are, some aren't.
 
damngrumpy
+1
#128
The elections act is very specific about a lot of things the problem is the agency has no guts.
The fact that 18 riding's in Ontario and some activity in Alberta indicates this was not some
rogue operator. Illegal activities of this kind are associated with third world emerging and
corrupt democracies. Perhaps we should be more concerned that the Harper minions are
trying to turn this country into one of those rogue states. We saw the Republicans do the same
thing a few years ago in Florida.
 
PoliticalNick
#129
I have heard between 18 and 30 ridings were affected. If just 13 are overturned it becomes another minority govt and Harpo will have to rethink his strategy for the next 4 years.
 
JLM
#130
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I have heard between 18 and 30 ridings were affected. If just 13 are overturned it becomes another minority govt and Harpo will have to rethink his strategy for the next 4 years.

That is still a long way from happening!
 
damngrumpy
#131
It is up to 34 as of today this must have been a very very good rogue operator. The big lie from
the Prime Ministers Office could backfire here. Harper knows everything, he handles everything
and I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't know about this.
Elections Canada must act when they find out who did what. This is a serious affront to democracy
itself and needs to be addressed with more that a sorry and a dismissal of the hand as it were.
Taking responsibility means someone must pay a big price..
 
B00Mer
+4
#132



I TOLD YOU HARPER, YOU WOULD GET CAUGHT!!!


Those illegal 'robo-calls' traced back to a Conservative-tied firm in Alberta are going to derail the North American Union Plans and our control of the Internet..

Dam you Harper!!

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Last edited by B00Mer; Feb 27th, 2012 at 03:40 AM..
 
mentalfloss
#133
Tory ‘robo-call’ scandal widens as complaints flood from nearly 30 ridings

The “robo-call” and voter-suppression scandal is rapidly threatening to become a full-blown political crisis for Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, with the number of ridings where dirty tricks are alleged to have skewed races in the last federal election climbing to almost 30.

The opposition contends the growing list of ridings across the country shows several people, not just one or two bad apples, were involved in a systematic, orchestrated effort to win tight races by misleading non-Conservative voters. This is a tactic, the opposition says, that has been imported from the rough-and-tumble culture of U.S. campaigning.

The newest allegations to surface are in a letter that NDP MPs Charlie Angus and Alexandre Boulerice sent to Elections Canada over the weekend, including two phone numbers they say were the source of harassing or misleading calls to NDP supporters in Thunder Bay-Superior North and Edmonton East on the evening of April 29, 2011, three days before the May 2 election.

“As we unearth additional specific evidence, we will forward it to you,” the MPs wrote, listing several ridings where they are doing their own investigation of complaints from campaign workers or party backers. “We urge you, in the strongest possible terms, to ensure that the people or parties responsible for these dirty tricks are held to account and charged accordingly.”

The controversy highlights the tough, bare-knuckle nature of 21st-century politics, as parties use technology to blast messages out to targeted groups of voters, leaving little to chance. The question that will grip Ottawa in the coming weeks is whether the Conservatives are guilty of no more than hardball tactics, or whether some operatives’ behaviour amounted to electoral fraud.

Robocalling, while useful as a relatively inexpensive, efficient way to reach current or prospective supporters for fundraising, event planning and the like, also makes it easier for anyone inclined to use it for dirty tricks.

Brad Lavigne, national director for the federal NDP, said he views robocalling as a perfectly legitimate, cost-saving and efficient tool – depending how it is used. “The issue here is not the technology, the issue here is the fraudulent claims, impersonating Elections Canada officials and obstructing people’s ability to vote,” he said.

“After the investigation is complete and after this issue has been dealt with a little bit more, I think MPs are going to ask themselves, ‘does Elections Canada have all the tools that they need to investigate these kinds of allegations?’ ” Mr. Lavigne said. “It’s certainly something that will be looked at, after this investigation is concluded.”

Tory 'robo-call' scandal widens as complaints flood from nearly 30 ridings - The Globe and Mail
 
petros
#134
Hooray for scandals!
 
JLM
#135
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Hooray for scandals!

Yep, it's going to be interesting how this all plays out- I'm just hoping that Mr. Harper isn't making these prisons he's building too plush!
 
PoliticalNick
#136
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Yep, it's going to be interesting how this all plays out- I'm just hoping that Mr. Harper isn't making these prisons he's building too plush!

I'm sure the one he lands in will be 5 star meals and accommodation with a golf course.
 
JLM
#137
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

I'm sure the one he lands in will be 5 star meals and accommodation with a golf course.

Probably - I'm pretty sure when all this plays out it will be one of the lesser (and stupider) minions that was actually behind it. I'm not a big fan of Harper but I don't think he's stupid.
 
PoliticalNick
#138
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Probably - I'm pretty sure when all this plays out it will be one of the lesser (and stupider) minions that was actually behind it. I'm not a big fan of Harper but I don't think he's stupid.

It will be one of the lesser minions that takes the fall for him is what you mean.
 
JLM
#139
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNickView Post

It will be one of the lesser minions that takes the fall for him is what you mean.

Maybe but doubtful, it will sure be interesting.
 
mentalfloss
#140
I made misleading election calls for the Tories: Call centre workers speak out

“We would call these (voters) and they would say ‘we went there and that’s not a real place,’” said a woman, who worked for Responsive Marketing Group Inc., and asked not to be named.

“The whole call centre (noticed it was happening).”


“We called the RCMP,” she said. “We actually also told our supervisor about it.”


But no action was taken and employees were told to stick to the script, the woman said.
 
JLM
#141
Do we have anything yet that rules out a prank by some nut job(s)?
 
mentalfloss
#142
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Do we have anything yet that rules out a prank by some nut job(s)?

Well Rae apparently wants to call an emergency debate on this, but the NDP will wait for the investigation by the RCMP (lol) and Elections Canada.. so I have a feeling we'll never truly know either way.
 
JLM
+1
#143
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Well Rae apparently wants to call an emergency debate on this, but the NDP will wait for the investigation by the RCMP (lol) and Elections Canada.. so I have a feeling we'll never truly know either way.

Well, I think it should start with some testicles being squeezed in a vice, and then the "singing" will start. Otherwise our "democratic" process will be on a par with Zimbabwe (I think that is Mugabbe's country, No)?
 
WLDB
+1
#144
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Do we have anything yet that rules out a prank by some nut job(s)?


Those would be some pretty wealthy nutjobs to hire out call centres for a prank.
 
JLM
#145
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

Those would be some pretty wealthy nutjobs to hire out call centres for a prank.

For sure, but there's lots of rich eccentrics.
 
Tonington
#146
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Do we have anything yet that rules out a prank by some nut job(s)?

Have you ever seen the SNL skit with Christopher Walken, Pranksters? It's not a prank when the activity is illegal. It's a crime.

Here it is if you haven't seen it. You should watch it unless you're a Stiffly Stifferson.

video Pranksters in Rat In A Box Beat Down Tire Iron - larry, night, live - videos kewego (external - login to view)
 
mentalfloss
+1
#147
Let's see the scripts (external - login to view)

What we need to see now is the script that the Conservative Party supplied to Responsive Marketing Group. The party was able to produce one for the Cotler calls controversy; I'm assuming it has the one supplied to this firm too. In fact, let's see the scripts the Conservatives wrote for all the call centres. If it's all true information, it shouldn't be a problem, right?
 
earth_as_one
#148
Whoever did this had access to voter lists across the country and knew which ridings were close. Since all the beneficiaries of this interference were conservatives, that narrows it down to a Conservative political strategist as being directly or indirectly involved. Its possible the trail could lead to the PMO.
 
JLM
#149
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Whoever did this had access to voter lists across the country and knew which ridings were close. Since all the beneficiaries of this interference were conservatives, that narrows it down to a Conservative political strategist as being directly or indirectly involved. Its possible the trail could lead to the PMO.

If the trail leads to the P.M.O. then we've got the stupidest P.M. since old John A. and personally I'd be in favour of seeing him get 10 years in the Gulag. I don't believe it's going to play out that way, probably some lesser (stupider) light with big ambitions.
 
Goober
#150
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

If the trail leads to the P.M.O. then we've got the stupidest P.M. since old John A. and personally I'd be in favour of seeing him get 10 years in the Gulag. I don't believe it's going to play out that way, probably some lesser (stupider) light with big ambitions.

It will never reach that high.
 

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