Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election


Cannuck
+1 / -1
#421
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

.....Robocalls....tricked voters...etc....that's the topic here....

So sorry. It looks like we got sidetracked starting with this post.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

The part where an NDP MP defamed a company?

I wonder why.
 
CDNBear
#422
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

So sorry. It looks like we got sidetracked starting with this post.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Wow...that lawsuit got settled pretty quickly.

Fix that for you.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I wonder why.

The result of your admitted stupidity, obviously.
 
Vanni Fucci
#423
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

The result of your admitted stupidity, obviously.

While I'm not taking sides in this inane and positively juevenile exchange, I would like to point out that nowhere have I seen Cannuck acknowledge his/her own stupidity, and so I'm wondering if you should Google the meaning of the word "admitted/admittedly"...
 
Goober
+1
#424
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

While I'm not taking sides in this inane and positively juevenile exchange, I would like to point out that nowhere have I seen Cannuck acknowledge his/her own stupidity, and so I'm wondering if you should Google the meaning of the word "admitted/admittedly"...

Have you read all of his posts? Lots of threads to read thru.
 
CDNBear
#425
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

While I'm not taking sides in this inane and positively juevenile exchange, I would like to point out that nowhere have I seen Cannuck acknowledge his/her own stupidity, and so I'm wondering if you should Google the meaning of the word "admitted/admittedly"...

Are you still sore, because you jumped to conclusions about my position on torture? Or do you usually think each and every thread is an insular event?
 
Cannuck
+1 / -1
#426
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

While I'm not taking sides in this inane and positively juevenile exchange, I would like to point out that nowhere have I seen Cannuck acknowledge his/her own stupidity, and so I'm wondering if you should Google the meaning of the word "admitted/admittedly"...

CB has trouble with the concept of sarcasm. I don't let it bother me. He is disadvantaged so we must tread lightly with him.
 
Goober
#427
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

CB has trouble with the concept of sarcasm. I don't let it bother me. He is disadvantaged so we must tread lightly with him.

I just wondered if he had read all of your posts. Amazing that he has. And you have a new friend
 
CDNBear
#428
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

CB has trouble with the concept of sarcasm.

I only adopted your MO.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I don't let it bother me.

Obviously it does. Hence your hypocrisy and lies.

If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't employ such silly behavior.

Please, carry on though. Any sarcasm you may have intended, is surely wiped away as you prove the admission to be far more truth than sarcasm.

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

I just wondered if he had read all of your posts. Amazing that he has. And you have a new friend

Like all his marriages, it will come to sad end.
 
Vanni Fucci
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#429
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Have you read all of his posts? Lots of threads to read thru.

Can't say I have, nor do I wish to, but of the threads I have read, nowhere have I seen his "admitted stupidity"...just sayin'

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Are you still sore, because you jumped to conclusions about my position on torture? Or do you usually think each and every thread is an insular event?

Believe me, nothing you have to say will affect me one way or the other, as I'm sure will be true for you and mine...although you do seem to take things far more personally than I suspect is healthy to do...

I'm opposed to internet bullying though, and will rise to the defence of the little bitches, no matter how "admittedly stupid" they may be...
 
CDNBear
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#430
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

...although you do seem to take things far more personally than I suspect is healthy to do...

Then you're not very perceptive.

Enjoy Jimmy's friendship, while it last.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

I'm opposed to internet bullying though, and will rise to the defence of the little bitches, no matter how "admittedly stupid" they may be...

The fact that your threat smacks of bullying, I agree with your assessment of cannuck.
 
Vanni Fucci
#431
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Then you're not very perceptive.

Enjoy Jimmy's friendship, while it last.

Really?
 
CDNBear
#432
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

Really?

Yes, really, lol.
 
Vanni Fucci
#433
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Then you're not very perceptive.

Enjoy Jimmy's friendship, while it last.

The fact that your threat smacks of bullying, I agree with your assessment of cannuck.

What threat is that?

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Yes, really, lol.

Really, really?
 
CDNBear
#434
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

What threat is that?

Really?

LOL

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

Really, really?

Yes, really, really, lol.
 
Vanni Fucci
#435
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Yes, really, lol.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Really?

LOL

Yes, really, really, lol.

Alright...are we done now?
 
CDNBear
#436
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni FucciView Post

Alright...are we done now?

That's entirely up to you. I'd rather discuss the topic at hand. So long as you aren't here solely to be a blow hard and/or entertained, lol, .
Last edited by CDNBear; Mar 4th, 2012 at 04:10 PM..Reason: To clarify my statement, for the admittedly stupid.
 
darkbeaver
#437
I' ve read enough, the Harper crime syndicate is clearly guilty, it's time for some western justice. Send in the IMF.
 
mentalfloss
#438
I'm kind of surprised that G&M would post a misleading article like this. Clearly, even if the number of total votes were up last election, it does not mean that other voters were not dissuaded from the polls. Does the media really think we're this dumb?

If robo-calls were meant to keep voters away, they failed miserably - The Globe and Mail
 
mentalfloss
#439
Tory staff couldn’t make ‘despicable’ robocalls without party knowing: campaign boss

Giorno, who is also the former chief of staff to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, said he “absolutely did not” authorize anyone, at any point, to make telephone calls describing themselves as being from Elections Canada, or to make so-called annoying calls. While he wouldn’t comment specifically on the campaign measures he had in place, he said it wasn’t possible that anyone below him engaged in dirty tricks without his knowledge.

At the same time, Giorno said the allegedly fraudulent robocalls in the riding of Guelph, Ont., deserve to be investigated by Elections Canada. “

We’re as concerned as anybody,” Giorno said. “Not just me, not just the prime minister — the tens of thousands of Conservative volunteers who worked hard to bring a majority victory, working in an ethical, law abiding way.”

Staff couldn't make 'despicable' robocalls without party knowing: Guy Giorno | News | National Post
 
Goober
#440
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I'm kind of surprised that G&M would post a misleading article like this. Clearly, even if the number of total votes were up last election, it does not mean that other voters were not dissuaded from the polls. Does the media really think we're this dumb?

If robo-calls were meant to keep voters away, they failed miserably - The Globe and Mail

Well as time passes you will find that only using the G&M is not always viable for info. I find the NP does a much better job of Ripping Cons a new one as they say.
 
mentalfloss
#441
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Well as time passes you will find that only using the G&M is not always viable for info. I find the NP does a much better job of Ripping Cons a new one as they say.

What? You assume I only use G&M?

YOU HEATHEN.

Anyway, I'm actually surprised that the journo for that article missed the red herring (whether intentional or not). He's the same guy that runs the poll site: threehundredeight.com (plug plug plug); he usually has pretty insightful commentary on party dynamics.
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If you want some more Tory-loving from me though, this just came out:

Conservative backbencher lays blame for robocalls with Elections Canada

OTTAWA—A Conservative backbencher is suggesting Elections Canada may be to blame for the robo-calls affair.

“I suspect that at the end of the day, if Elections Canada has the resources to do a proper investigation, they’ll find they’re themselves significantly responsible,” Saskatchewan MP Maurice Vellacott said in a statement.

“That tech issues with marrying (Elections Canada) lists to available, electronic phone lists is part of the problem, and in a few instances there may have been malfeasance by one party or the other.” Vellacott says there have been numerous address errors by Elections Canada in each of the six federal elections he has contested.

“This is no reflection on our faithful, local returning officer ... and their office workers. The errors and misinformation are compiled and compounded by Elections Canada’s head office,” he said.

“We don’t even bother trying to chase down, trace back and correct all these Elections Canada errors anymore. Too much valuable campaign time would be used up on such a project.”

Vellacott says Elections Canada has flawed voting lists and often gives voters incorrect information.

"There is no voter enumeration just before every election any more, but the Elections Canada voter list across the country is updated based on income tax filings or other federal and provincial programs — not a perfect system by any means,” he said.

“Because Elections Canada too frequently provides incorrect information, and secondly because technological problems occur with trying to merge Elections Canada info for phone lists, there is a significant potential for error.

“Hired live phoners or automated calling systems are only as good as the data provided to them. You know the saying, ‘garbage in, garbage out.’”

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/p...ns-canada?bn=1
Last edited by mentalfloss; Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:58 PM..
 
Cannuck
#442
The more I read about this, the more I think of "A Few Good Men".
 
Goober
#443
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

What? You assume I only use G&M?

YOU HEATHEN.
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Heathen, heathen you say. Only when I read the TO Star.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I'm kind of surprised that G&M would post a misleading article like this. Clearly, even if the number of total votes were up last election, it does not mean that other voters were not dissuaded from the polls. Does the media really think we're this dumb?

If robo-calls were meant to keep voters away, they failed miserably - The Globe and Mail

A number of writers left that heathen rag the Star and are now at the Globe. Pity them all.
 
mentalfloss
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#444
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

A number of writers left that heathen rag the Star and are now at the Globe. Pity them all.

You... you (external - login to view)...

 
Mowich
#445
Tory support steady despite robo-call, e-snooping uproars: poll

bill curry

OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Update

Posted on Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:00PM EST

A month of controversy over pensions, privacy and Pierre Poutine has failed to dent support for the Conservative Party, according to a new poll by Nanos Research.

Support for the Tories remained exactly the same – at 35.7 per cent – compared to a month earlier.

Support for the Liberals climbed slightly to 29.5 per cent from 27.6 per cent, while the NDP’s numbers were essentially unchanged at 25 per cent.

The survey found jobs and the economy now dominate as the top issue of concern for Canadians, which pollster Nik Nanos said may explain why voters are largely unmoved by the daily furor in the House of Commons.

“Regardless of the noise related to the robo-call affair, there hasn’t been any material impact on Conservative support,” Mr. Nanos told The Globe. “The only way this can change is if there’s something associated with the Prime Minister or senior advisers to the Prime Minister, or the Conservative campaign.”

Nanos Research conducted a telephone survey of 1,203 Canadians for The Globe and Mail and CTV between Feb. 25 and Feb. 29. The results are compared to a Nanos Research survey of 1,201 Canadians conducted Jan. 20 to Jan. 23.

The political focus on allegations of vote suppression during the 2011 election was triggered by a Feb. 25 Ottawa Citizen report detailing Elections Canada’s investigation into some of the allegations. Later in the week it emerged through court documents that Elections Canada is looking to find out who ordered misleading robo-calls with a throwaway cell phone under the name Pierre Poutine of Separatist Street in Joliette Que.

The Nanos survey was also conducted shortly after Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae apologized for the fact that a Liberal staffer was behind an anonymous Twitter account called Vikileaks30 that posted personal information about Public Safety Minister Vic Toews. The account claimed to be set up to protest against Bill C-30, which would expand police surveillance powers over the Internet.
Mr. Nanos said the Vikileaks story likely reinforced the cynicism among voters that no party is above dirty tricks.

“I think for many average Canadians who are very cynical, they find it hard to believe that politics of any colour is ethical,” he said. “The unfortunate timing of the Vikileaks thing for the Liberals basically illustrated the point that, you know what, there are rogue elements in parties that do things that are inappropriate and unsavory. The thing is that on the robo-call affair, and when we look at politics, I’m not sure that there’s any moral high ground that any of the parties can claim.”

After jobs and the economy – which was listed as the most important national issue of concern by 25.8 per cent of respondents – health care was second at 15.9 per cent. The environment was third at 6.4 per cent, followed by education (5.4 per cent) and the debt and deficit (5.3 per cent.)

The NDP has a lot riding on its leadership race later this month. Interim Leader Nycole Turmel is not popular with voters. Only 7.8 per cent of respondents said she had the best vision for Canada, which puts her slightly behind Green Party Leader Elizabeth May at 8.1 per cent. Prime Minister Stephen Harper was chosen by 32.6 per cent, followed by 16.2 per cent who chose Mr. Rae.



Tory support steady despite robo-call, e-snooping uproars: poll - The Globe and Mail
 
mentalfloss
#446
Yea, they're using the Nanos poll for the last few days of the month. I can't wait until 308 releases the summary for the month. I don't expect it to be much different than last month, I just like having a reflection of all polls with fancy graphs.

QP is starting up. I'll be posting anything "newsy" if it comes forward.
 
Goober
#447
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Yea, they're using the Nanos poll for the last few days of the month. I can't wait until 308 releases the summary for the month. I don't expect it to be much different than last month, I just like having a reflection of all polls with fancy graphs.

QP is starting up. I'll be posting anything "newsy" if it comes forward.

I think this scandal has legs. The way the Cons are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot is again demonstrated by such a BS statement Mastro.
As if he hasn't made enough shots to his own foot. And he is the lead man.

Tories demand Liberals release call records – but refuse to follow suit - The Globe and Mail

“The Leader of the Liberal Party knows full well, every household that they called, every originating phone number they called them from, and, in fact, when those calls were made,” he said in response to a question from Bob Rae. “When will he make those phone records public? Because I believe when those phone records are made public, the Liberal Party will have fingered itself for each and every one of these calls that they allege had taken place.”

But when asked later by reporters if the Conservatives were prepared to release their own records, Mr. Del Mastro said: “No, because obviously our party is not behind the calls. We know that. We believe the Liberal Party has in fact made these allegations and they’ve made these allegations knowing full well that they’ve paid these companies millions of dollars to makes calls to hundreds of thousands of households across the country.”
 
JLM
#448
Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

Tory support steady despite robo-call, e-snooping uproars: poll

bill curry

OTTAWA— Globe and Mail Update

Posted on Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:00PM EST

A month of controversy over pensions, privacy and Pierre Poutine has failed to dent support for the Conservative Party, according to a new poll by Nanos Research.

Support for the Tories remained exactly the same – at 35.7 per cent – compared to a month earlier.

Support for the Liberals climbed slightly to 29.5 per cent from 27.6 per cent, while the NDP’s numbers were essentially unchanged at 25 per cent.

The survey found jobs and the economy now dominate as the top issue of concern for Canadians, which pollster Nik Nanos said may explain why voters are largely unmoved by the daily furor in the House of Commons.

“Regardless of the noise related to the robo-call affair, there hasn’t been any material impact on Conservative support,” Mr. Nanos told The Globe. “The only way this can change is if there’s something associated with the Prime Minister or senior advisers to the Prime Minister, or the Conservative campaign.”

Nanos Research conducted a telephone survey of 1,203 Canadians for The Globe and Mail and CTV between Feb. 25 and Feb. 29. The results are compared to a Nanos Research survey of 1,201 Canadians conducted Jan. 20 to Jan. 23.

The political focus on allegations of vote suppression during the 2011 election was triggered by a Feb. 25 Ottawa Citizen report detailing Elections Canada’s investigation into some of the allegations. Later in the week it emerged through court documents that Elections Canada is looking to find out who ordered misleading robo-calls with a throwaway cell phone under the name Pierre Poutine of Separatist Street in Joliette Que.

The Nanos survey was also conducted shortly after Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae apologized for the fact that a Liberal staffer was behind an anonymous Twitter account called Vikileaks30 that posted personal information about Public Safety Minister Vic Toews. The account claimed to be set up to protest against Bill C-30, which would expand police surveillance powers over the Internet.
Mr. Nanos said the Vikileaks story likely reinforced the cynicism among voters that no party is above dirty tricks.

“I think for many average Canadians who are very cynical, they find it hard to believe that politics of any colour is ethical,” he said. “The unfortunate timing of the Vikileaks thing for the Liberals basically illustrated the point that, you know what, there are rogue elements in parties that do things that are inappropriate and unsavory. The thing is that on the robo-call affair, and when we look at politics, I’m not sure that there’s any moral high ground that any of the parties can claim.”

After jobs and the economy – which was listed as the most important national issue of concern by 25.8 per cent of respondents – health care was second at 15.9 per cent. The environment was third at 6.4 per cent, followed by education (5.4 per cent) and the debt and deficit (5.3 per cent.)

The NDP has a lot riding on its leadership race later this month. Interim Leader Nycole Turmel is not popular with voters. Only 7.8 per cent of respondents said she had the best vision for Canada, which puts her slightly behind Green Party Leader Elizabeth May at 8.1 per cent. Prime Minister Stephen Harper was chosen by 32.6 per cent, followed by 16.2 per cent who chose Mr. Rae.



Tory support steady despite robo-call, e-snooping uproars: poll - The Globe and Mail

N.D.P. is a "flash in the pan" that started to die when Layton died.
 
Goober
#449
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

N.D.P. is a "flash in the pan" that started to die when Layton died.

Robocalls: Database at the heart of Conservatives' computer system likely key to cracking mystery | Full Comment | National Post

Stephen Harper and Guy Giorno, his campaign manager, have come over like T.S. Eliot’s Macavity the Cat in relation to the robocalls saga — whatever time the deed took place, they weren’t there.

Both have made public denials about any links between robocalls and the official campaign.

How can they be so sure? Perhaps because they already have a pretty good idea who the culprit is. The digital trail likely ends inside the Conservative Party’s own computer system — specifically the Constituency Information Management System database that contains voter information and telephone numbers.

Anyone who wanted to make robocalls sending Liberal and NDP voters to the wrong polling station, similar to the one received by Liberal supporters in Guelph, would likely need CIMS to identify and then contact them. But CIMS is tightly held by the party, with access password protected.

“You can’t do a transaction in CIMS without it being logged. The party will know who was doing what, how long they were on for and what information they were looking for,” said someone with knowledge of the database. “It’s a difficult system to do something illegal on. It’s jealously guarded information.”

No-one believes that a co-ordinated voter suppression campaign could be carried out without CIMS — the last thing anyone seeking to boost the Conservative turnout would want to do is call its own supporters and mis-direct them.

So a detailed inventory of who was using the CIMS database in the ridings allegedly hit by robocalls should narrow down the search for the culprit considerably. A spokesman for the Conservative Party said the Elections Commissioner, who is investigating the issue, has not yet asked for this information.

The strong suspicion among people familiar with the Conservative campaign is that the voter suppression effort may be the work of a rogue telemarketing company, employed by one or a number of riding associations to identify Conservatives and then get out the vote.

The most frequently mentioned company in connection with this regard is Toronto-based Responsive Marketing Group, which worked on the national campaign, particularly the 75 ridings on the Tories’ “target” list.
 
TenPenny
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#450
Is there any documented proof of someone who tried to vote but couldn't because of these calls?
 

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