Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election


TenPenny
+2
#331
I would have liked to hear Harper and Co. come out with guns blazing, confirming that this sort of action is an insult to democracy and to Parliament, but if they have said any such thing, I haven't heard it.

Which removes another 50% of the already small respect I have for this collection of nasty *******s.

You're either with us, or against us, to use their own logic, and therefore Harper and Company must hate democracy.
 
CDNBear
#332
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Does that clear it up for you?

I was right when I said "Oh I see what you think you did there." Your admitted stupidity is impeding your ability to think clearly, as usual.

Lucky for you, the winds are making it to dangerous to venture out on the ice today.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I would have liked to hear Harper and Co. come out with guns blazing, confirming that this sort of action is an insult to democracy and to Parliament, but if they have said any such thing, I haven't heard it.

Which removes another 50% of the already small respect I have for this collection of nasty *******s.

You're either with us, or against us, to use their own logic, and therefore Harper and Company must hate democracy.

I agree, but it is kind of hard to do, when you're instantly placed on defense.
Last edited by CDNBear; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 07:01 AM..
 
Locutus
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#333
Edmonton company sues NDP, MP over comments





The Edmonton company that ended up being used to robocall incorrect polling information to voters in the last federal election is suing the NDP and Pat Martin for $5 million after the MP publicly criticized the company.

RackNine Inc. and its CEO, Matt Meier, filed a statement of claim on Friday alleging Martin made defamatory and malicious statements beginning with a Feb. 23 news conference in Ottawa and during subsequent media appearances the next three days. The statements were "calculated" to cause the "maxi-mum damage" to the reputations of RackNine and Meier, actions which the lawsuit alleges will damage the business.

The lawsuit states that RackNine has co-operated with an Elections Canada investigation into a customer that used the company's automated dialing service to breach the Elections Act. In November, a court order from an Edmonton judge compelled RackNine to turn over all correspondence, emails and records of contact between the company and representatives of the Conservative party general election campaign in Guelph, stating there are "reasonable grounds to suspect" that person or persons unknown "did by pretence or contrivance, induce or attempt to induce" persons to refrain from voting, a violation of the Canada Elections Act.

Martin repeatedly questioned the relationship between the Conservatives and RackNine. Meier said his family received crank calls and threats from people who believe he was party to attempted voter fraud, even though the court order linked the robocalls and the Conservative party, but not RackNine.

RackNine and Meier are seeking $2.5 million in general and aggravated damages, $2.5 million for loss of income, and punitive damages and legal costs. None of the allegations have been proven in court.




Edmonton company sues NDP, MP over comments (external - login to view)

The outbreak of robocallitis, egged-on complaints, hysteria, foggy mountain memories and such is nearly as bad as all the bigfoot, mysterious sounds and UFO sightings.

Perhaps there is a nice online library of recordings of these calls we can listen to in our spare time.

Anywo, I'm sure there are a genuine few (all parties pull this shyte) but 31,000?
 
wulfie68
+3
#334
Good for Racknine and Meier. If Martin, the NDP and others want to make insinuations and allegations about the gov't in session, that is one thing, but being given a mic doesn't mean he has the right to make unproven statements about other individuals or companies with impunity. It also doesn't mean he has the right to take his own sweet time in addressing his wrongdoing, while he has cost people millions of dollars. Martin can whine about Racknine "silencing him with their chequebook" but without of proof of wrongdoing to back his statements, he is trespassing on the rights of someone else, based on his own opinion of the alleged wrong done in the Robocall affair.
 
mentalfloss
#335
As far as I understand, MPs have some kind of protection for the statements they make as long as they are in the house.
 
Machjo
#336
RackNine sues Pat Martin and NDP for $5 million - Canada - CBC News

And rightfully so. Had the NDP not posted it on its official website, it could have washed its hands clean of Martin Foot-n-Mouth, but instead decided to implicate itself too by posting it on its website. Defamation of character crosses the line way beyong reasonable freedom of speech.

Lesson learnt I hope.
 
CDNBear
+1
#337
Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

Good for Racknine and Meier. If Martin, the NDP and others want to make insinuations and allegations about the gov't in session, that is one thing, but being given a mic doesn't mean he has the right to make unproven statements about other individuals or companies with impunity. It also doesn't mean he has the right to take his own sweet time in addressing his wrongdoing, while he has cost people millions of dollars. Martin can whine about Racknine "silencing him with their chequebook" but without of proof of wrongdoing to back his statements, he is trespassing on the rights of someone else, based on his own opinion of the alleged wrong done in the Robocall affair.

Especially since Racknine has cooperated with Elections Canada, since day one.

Martin has been privy to any and all evidence the public has, re: Racknine's culpability. And yet he chose to make unfounded, unsubstantiated, and defamatory, accusations and claims, in absolutes. Contrary to evidence, and reality.

I've read Martin' commentary, as cited in Meier's Statement of Claim. I have a decent knowledge of Canadian defamation/libel law. I have no doubt, Meier will win. The only thing that isn't a sure thing, is the amount he will be awarded.
 
Machjo
#338
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

As far as I understand, MPs have some kind of protection for the statements they make as long as they are in the house.

Ridiculous.

If that's true, then essentially we have a law protecting lying in the House. How reassuring.
 
CDNBear
+1
#339
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

As far as I understand, MPs have some kind of protection for the statements they make as long as they are in the house.

In the House.

Martin continued his stupidity outside it's protective confines.

You fully support the suit filed against Martin. Right?
 
Cannuck
-1
#340
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I was right when I said "Oh I see what you think you did there."

Clearly you are not.
 
CDNBear
#341
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Clearly you are not.

Ya ya ya, we're all familiar with your blow hard claims, absent any substantiation. Obviously the result of your admitted stupidity.
 
Cannuck
-1
#342
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

The part where an NDP MP defamed a company?

Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

RackNine Inc. and its CEO, Matt Meier, filed a statement of claim on Friday alleging Martin made defamatory and malicious statements beginning with a Feb. 23 news conference in Ottawa and during subsequent media appearances the next three days. The statements were "calculated" to cause the "maxi-mum damage" to the reputations of RackNine and Meier, actions which the lawsuit alleges will damage the business.

Looks like it hasn't been settled after all.
 
CDNBear
#343
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Looks like it hasn't been settled after all.

Like I said, "Oh I see what you think you did there".

Your admitted stupidity, is only overshadowed by your shear arrogance.

I'll repost this, since you obviously missed it the first time. Another result of your admitted stupidity.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Especially since Racknine has cooperated with Elections Canada, since day one.

Martin has been privy to any and all evidence the public has, re: Racknine's culpability. And yet he chose to make unfounded, unsubstantiated, and defamatory, accusations and claims, in absolutes. Contrary to evidence, and reality.

I've read Martin' commentary, as cited in Meier's Statement of Claim. I have a decent knowledge of Canadian defamation/libel law. I have no doubt, Meier will win. The only thing that isn't a sure thing, is the amount he will be awarded.

 
Cannuck
-1
#344
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Like I said, "Oh I see what you think you did there".

Clearly you don't.
 
CDNBear
#345
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Clearly you don't.

Your dance is predictable, another result of your admitted stupidity.
 
Colpy
#346
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I would have liked to hear Harper and Co. come out with guns blazing, confirming that this sort of action is an insult to democracy and to Parliament, but if they have said any such thing, I haven't heard it.

Which removes another 50% of the already small respect I have for this collection of nasty *******s.

You're either with us, or against us, to use their own logic, and therefore Harper and Company must hate democracy.

Yeah, me too.....although your post gave me a mental image of Frankenstein with torch and pitchfork, amongst the mob attacking an empty castle.....lol

A Mel Brooks moment.
 
Cannuck
-1
#347
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Your dance is predictable

Your inability to see what I did there was predictable.
 
CDNBear
+1
#348
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Yeah, me too.....although your post gave me a mental image of Frankenstein with torch and pitchfork, amongst the mob attacking an empty castle.....lol

A Mel Brooks moment.



Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Your inability to see what I did there was predictable.

Is it your arrogance, or your admitted stupidity that is causing your inability to understand that I did see what you thought you did there?

The fact remains, you haven't established anything, except for the fact that your admission of stupidity, was one of the only honest things you've said on CC.
 
Colpy
+1
#349
Oh, the loonies in the mob may have over-stepped themselves........seems people in some ridings on the robo-call list say there was no problem.....

Global Edmonton | Questionable ridings included on list of robocall targets (external - login to view)

I am beginning to suspect that this is another case of an opposition that simply can not deal with the fact they were fairly beaten.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post



Is it your arrogance, or your admitted stupidity that is causing your inability to understand that I did see what you thought you did there?

The fact remains, you haven't established anything, except for the fact that your admission of stupidity, was one of the only honest things you've said on CC.

Geezus Bear, that's hilarious!
 
Cannuck
-1
#350
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post


Is it your arrogance, or your admitted stupidity that is causing your inability to understand that I did see what you thought you did there?

Clearly not. You were only able to see what you thought I did there. That;s why you have decided to dance instead of simply state what I "did there"
 
CDNBear
#351
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Clearly not.

Clearly I did, lol. Your arrogance is funny.

Quote:

You were only able to see what you thought I did there. That;s why you have decided to dance instead of simply state what I "did there"

I decided long ago, to only play with you and make fun of you, by pointing out your hypocrisy, lies, arrogance, and stupidity. I've only told you that at least a dozen times now. Obviously your admitted stupidity has hindered your understanding of what I have clearly stated.

Feel free to carry on, it only supports your admission.
 
Cannuck
-1
#352
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I decided long ago, to only play with you.

Yes, I remember you saying that after I pwned you. Your dance is very entertaining btw.

I'm off to coffee. I know how you like to be informed about these things.
 
CDNBear
#353
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Yes, I remember you saying that after I pwned you. Your dance is very entertaining btw.

Given your admitted stupidity, your claim lacks any form of validity or veracity.

Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

I'm off to coffee. I know how you like to be informed about these things.

Really? I have that kind of power over you?

WOW!
Last edited by CDNBear; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 AM..
 
taxslave
#354
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

As far as I understand, MPs have some kind of protection for the statements they make as long as they are in the house.

I believe that is only in reference to other politicians not private citizens or companies.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#355
Over There......
 
wulfie68
#356
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

I believe that is only in reference to other politicians not private citizens or companies.

That is my understanding as well, and it does not extend outside the House or to things like party or MP websites. As far as I know, MPs, are accountable, like any other citizen when it comes to statements made concerning individuals or companies that are not Members, and thus the burden of proof for their statements resides with them as well.
 
mentalfloss
#357
So it looks like it's Elections Canada, RCMP (the same guy that investigated the Conservatives' in-and-out scandal) and now CRTC as well. Hopefully we get some sort of resolution by the end of this decade.

Elections Canada taps CRTC for help with deluge of robo-call complaints - The Globe and Mail
 
captain morgan
#358
Maybe we can get Gomery to lead the inquiry... He has some excellent experience garnered from the Adscam events
 
mentalfloss
#359
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Maybe we can get Gomery to lead the inquiry... He has some excellent experience garnered from the Adscam events

Turmel has been rubbing Gomery in Harper's face during question period. I think the opposition is in favour of getting him in there, but I haven't heard acknowledgement on this point from the CPC yet.
 
Goober
#360
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

So it looks like it's Elections Canada, RCMP (the same guy that investigated the Conservatives' in-and-out scandal) and now CRTC as well. Hopefully we get some sort of resolution by the end of this decade.

Elections Canada taps CRTC for help with deluge of robo-call complaints - The Globe and Mail

CRTC is blessed with walking in taking what they want for records - stating we also want this as well. It would move faster.
 

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