Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election


Goober
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#301
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

The burning question is, who is "they"? Anyone in official party capacity?

Elections Canada faces 31,000 complaints in robo-call probe - The Globe and Mail
Elections Canada has been deluged by 31,000 complaints in relation to last year’s ballot, focused mainly on robo-calls and other harassing phone calls.

The non-partisan agency received 500 complaints in relation to the previous election in 2008, and 329 in relation to the 2006 ballot.
Sloppy work by ‘Pierre Poutine’ leaves lengthy trail for robo-call sleuth - The Globe and Mail

Pierre Poutine” was not the most sophisticated scammer.

Fraudulent robo-callers usually cover their tracks, but whoever is hiding behind the now-infamous alias has left an electronic and paper trail for Elections Canada investigators to follow, all the way to a credit card used to spread false information in the last election, sources say.

Liberals build their case in robo-call scandal as Tory attack backfires - The Globe and Mail

The opposition Liberals are assembling a database of allegedly fraudulent phone calls to electors – what they call a body of evidence against the Harper Conservatives – as the governing Tories struggle to beat back accusations they were behind attempts to suppress votes in the 2011 ballot.
 
mentalfloss
#302
31,000.. hmm.. I can see how the opposition will use this number to their advantage.
 
petros
#303
Jesus!
 
Goober
#304
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Jesus!

I would hazard a guess that some people are cursing like a sailor to say the least. The pressure will only increase. Harper sewed up royally in QP - Now I am sure that having their bogus info thrown right back at them set him afire.
 
CDNBear
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#305
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

The burning question is, who is "they"? Anyone in official party capacity?

I doubt it.

It's not as if people like fuzzy are rare, or exclusive to the left.

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Elections Canada faces 31,000 complaints in robo-call probe - The Globe and Mail
Elections Canada has been deluged by 31,000 complaints in relation to last year’s ballot, focused mainly on robo-calls and other harassing phone calls.

The non-partisan agency received 500 complaints in relation to the previous election in 2008, and 329 in relation to the 2006 ballot.
Sloppy work by ‘Pierre Poutine’ leaves lengthy trail for robo-call sleuth - The Globe and Mail

Pierre Poutine” was not the most sophisticated scammer.

Fraudulent robo-callers usually cover their tracks, but whoever is hiding behind the now-infamous alias has left an electronic and paper trail for Elections Canada investigators to follow, all the way to a credit card used to spread false information in the last election, sources say.

Liberals build their case in robo-call scandal as Tory attack backfires - The Globe and Mail

The opposition Liberals are assembling a database of allegedly fraudulent phone calls to electors – what they call a body of evidence against the Harper Conservatives – as the governing Tories struggle to beat back accusations they were behind attempts to suppress votes in the 2011 ballot.

Sounds like someone went off the res. Not a concerted, orchestrated CPC campaign.
 
mentalfloss
#306
Rae is really pushing on this one..

Canada has entered “uncharted waters” as it confronts an unprecedented number of complaints about potentially fraudulent robocalls during last year’s federal election, according to interim Liberal leader Boob Rae.

“We’re now in uncharted waters as far as the history of the country is concerned,” Mr. Rae told reporters on Friday.

“I don’t think any of us ever anticipated seeing something on this scale, and I’ve been elected 11 times, so I’ve been through quite a lot in terms of various forms of chicanery.”

Robocalls scandal has put Canada in 'uncharted waters:' Bob Rae | News | National Post
 
Goober
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#307
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Rae is really pushing on this one..

Canada has entered “uncharted waters” as it confronts an unprecedented number of complaints about potentially fraudulent robocalls during last year’s federal election, according to interim Liberal leader Boob Rae.

“We’re now in uncharted waters as far as the history of the country is concerned,” Mr. Rae told reporters on Friday.

“I don’t think any of us ever anticipated seeing something on this scale, and I’ve been elected 11 times, so I’ve been through quite a lot in terms of various forms of chicanery.”

Robocalls scandal has put Canada in 'uncharted waters:' Bob Rae | News | National Post

Well that is Bob Rae.

As I mentioned an Inquiry would hold all the parties accountable as they all pull shxt. And an Inquiry will burn them all. Sounds good to me.
 
eh1eh
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#308
I'm a conservative and I think robocalls are bad. Guess I'm a hypocrite, right?
 
mentalfloss
#309
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

I'm a conservative and I think robocalls are bad. Guess I'm a hypocrite, right?

Not at all. I bet when this is all said and done, there will be some blood on every party's hands - albeit on a remote/local level and probably not in the house.

This thing is constant dish, though.

Alberta firm at centre of robo-call probe sues bombastic NDP MP - The Globe and Mail
 
CDNBear
#310
I'd love to say, "I hope they win", but the taxpayer will end up footing the bill if they do.
 
mentalfloss
#311
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

I'd love to say, "I hope they win", but the taxpayer will end up footing the bill if they do.

roflmao
 
CDNBear
#312
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

roflmao

Which part did you find funny? The part where an NDP MP defamed a company? That the taxpayer will have to foot the bill if he's successfully sued?
 
Colpy
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#313
The sanest comment I have yet seen in print:

Quote:

For those just joining us now, last Wednesday, the Postmedia team broke a story revealing that during the 2011 federal election, a national call centre under Conservative employ sent misleading robocalls to hapless voters in the riding of incumbent Liberal MP Frank Valeriote. "Clank clank, Go vote at the crappy mall with bad parking," said the robots. But then when the voters got there... there was no voting to be found!
Aaand scene. That's literally all we know about the scandal right now, which means it's an incredibly exciting time for the nation's political commentators, who will never again enjoy such a vacuum of ambiguity just begging to be filled with their wildest partisan fantasies. Most of these wistful dreams, in turn, center around the premise that since at least one species of deceptive robocall allegedly had some manner of Tory approval, wouldn't it be awesome if all the other deceptive -- or even just annoying -- robocalls that apparently plagued the last election were part of some large Conservative conspiracy, too?
Warren Kinsella wastes little time reaching for...

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J.J. McCullough: The Media's Pre-Programmed Response to Robocalls (external - login to view)

Read it, and remember, Elections Canada has actually gotten enough credible complaints to launch an investigation in TWO ridings....

That's TWO, as in ONE......TWO.

Harper is perfectly correct....the entire thing is a smear.

So far.
 
mentalfloss
#314
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Which part did you find funny? The part where an NDP MP defamed a company? That the taxpayer will have to foot the bill if he's successfully sued?

I was reading a comment from the article where someone said the Cons would be funding Racknine's lawsuit. I thought you were joking about the same thing.
 
SLM
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#315
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I was reading a comment from the article where someone said the Cons would be funding Racknine's lawsuit. I thought you were joking about the same thing.

So win or loose we get to pay? Seems even less funny now.
 
mentalfloss
#316
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

Harper is perfectly correct....the entire thing is a smear.

So far.

Probably payback for the attack ads, lol

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

So win or loose we get to pay? Seems even less funny now.

Wait until Prime Contact gets a hold of Del Mastro. Then it will be even funnier.
 
Goober
#317
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

The sanest comment I have yet seen in print:



J.J. McCullough: The Media's Pre-Programmed Response to Robocalls (external - login to view)

Read it, and remember, Elections Canada has actually gotten enough credible complaints to launch an investigation in TWO ridings....

That's TWO, as in ONE......TWO.

Harper is perfectly correct....the entire thing is a smear.

So far.

And we will wait for the info from that call center whose staff reported these bogus calls to Elections Canada and the RCMP - both depts took no action. Wonder what they will have to say abut the nature of the complaints. All calls to the RCMP are recorded. HHMMMM
Wonder if the tapes will disappear.

Also read Andrew Coynes article - I posted it in this thread, if you wonder why people think it is mostly Cons, that should provide you some insight as to why.
 
CDNBear
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#318
Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

The sanest comment I have yet seen in print:

Quote:

With conclusions now firmly established, in the weeks to follow pundits will have to begin the less glamorous business of assembling actual evidence to support their case.

LOL, oh so true.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I was reading a comment from the article where someone said the Cons would be funding Racknine's lawsuit. I thought you were joking about the same thing.

Is that like how you are damned sure the CPC is guilty? A lot of hot air, blown out by a dittohead?

Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

So win or loose we get to pay?

No, people like fuzzy run on anything they think can bolster their hapless partisan BS.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Probably payback for the attack ads, lol

Whose attack ads? Or are you one of those deluded fools that think the CPC started them, before the Liberals?

Quote:

Wait until Prime Contact gets a hold of Del Mastro. Then it will be even funnier.

What defaming comment did Del Mastro make about Prime Contact?
 
mentalfloss
#319
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Is that like how you are damned sure the CPC is guilty? A lot of hot air, blown out by a dittohead?

I said there was no smoking gun.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

What defaming comment did Del Mastro make about Prime Contact?

He said they were hired by the Liberals to make harassing calls to voters.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Whose attack ads? Or are you one of those deluded fools that think the CPC started them, before the Liberals famous "Armed Soldiers on Canadian city street corners"?

Relax.
 
CDNBear
+2
#320
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

I said there was no smoking gun.

Completely negated by the quotes, I previously fed you.

Quote:

He said they were hired by the Liberals to make harassing calls to voters.

No, he said the North Dakota number, belonged to the company the Liberals hired.

Quote:

Relax.

Ah yes, the patented fuzzy "you must be upset", because fuzzy's getting served.

The funny thing is, the only one of us that has ever had a meltdown out here, is you.

Shall we take a walk down memory barrel, errrr, lane?
 
mentalfloss
#321
Okay, it's clear you're being a douche.

Later.
 
CDNBear
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#322
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Okay, it's clear you're being a douche.

You having difficulty with the truth, doesn't make me a douche.
 
Goober
+1
#323
Just a suggestion. How about we keep the discussion to what we know, what we think, what is being reported. And all of us play nice in the sandbox. Just a suggestion is all.
 
DaSleeper
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#324
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

You having difficulty with the truth, doesn't make me a douche.

What I see in this thread is that a lot of people, somewhere down the line, will have to aquire a taste for black flying fowl.......or learn the back-step......
 
Spade
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#325
Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Just a suggestion. How about we keep the discussion to what we know, what we think, what is being reported. And all of us play nice in the sandbox. Just a suggestion is all.

I wonder if you could send that suggestion out by robocall?

Really, the GRC and Elections Canada are investigating. How this will turn out is anyone's guess. If rogue operatives or officials, regardless of party, have broken Canadian election's law, they should be prosecuted. Nevertheless, tens of thousands of complaints make it difficult to sort out with the manpower available.
 
Cannuck
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#326
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

The part where an NDP MP defamed a company?

Wow...that lawsuit got settled pretty quickly.
 
CDNBear
#327
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Wow...that lawsuit got settled pretty quickly.

Oh I see what you think you did there.

The harder you try, the more stupid you look.

But feel free to keep going. I love playing with you until you start rambling and grasping at straws.
 
Cannuck
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#328
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Oh I see what you think you did there.

Clearly you don't.
 
CDNBear
#329
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

Clearly you don't.

So you say.

Why don't you explain what you mean then.

You are always going on about asking for clarity.

Feel free to clear it all up.

This should be interesting, at the very least.

I have to head out for dinner, and I'll be ice fishing in the morning, but don't let that stop from clarifying yourself. I'll be back.
 
Cannuck
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#330
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Why don't you explain what you mean then.

When I said "Wow...that lawsuit got settled pretty quickly", what I meant was that I'm surprised that the case was settled so soon. Does that clear it up for you?
 

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