Polar bears turn cannibalistic as climate change depletes arctic food supply


Tonington
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

I also hold level 1 and 2 supervisor certificates for remote arctic camps and have managed a few camps.

And that means you know everything about reality, including physics, biology, ecology, biochemistry...... Why pay scientists, just ask Kakato...

Here's your damned cookies already, jeez:
 
Kakato
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

And that means you know everything about reality, including physics, biology, ecology, biochemistry...... Why pay scientists, just ask Kakato...

Here's your damned cookies already, jeez:

Save them for the starving polar bears.

 
mentalfloss
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

And that means you know everything about reality, including physics, biology, ecology, biochemistry...... Why pay scientists, just ask Kakato...

Here's your damned cookies already, jeez:

Spidey can't hang with the NATO crew.
 
Tonington
+2
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Spidey can't hang with the NATO crew.

That's because he doesn't even have a level 1 supervisor certificate for remote arctic camps. What a loser.
 
Cliffy
#35
Inuit People On Sun Wrong ,Stars Wrong , Earth Tilting On Axis - YouTube (external - login to view)
 
Kakato
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

That's because he doesn't even have a level 1 supervisor certificate for remote arctic camps. What a loser.

You need a minimum level 2 nunavut certificate to manage a remote camp,thats the law.
you cant supervise or be responsible for men and woman in an exploration environment up there without one.

The govt. poster in every airport warning about cannibalistic polars.
 
Tonington
#37
Level 1 sounds like a scam then. What do you get to manage with level 1? An outhouse?
 
darkbeaver
#38
If the scientific welfare bums could be enticed into the arctic close enough to the bears and left there to study could that help the bears survive the arctic drought. How much food would the scientific welfare bums need so they didn't get to thin? Aren't the science welfare bums about the same size as seals?
 
L Gilbert
+2
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

What a load of crap! Arctic fox will also eat others,pups,even their own offspring.
Thats something that happens in the animal kingdom the world over but if a photo journalist says it's so then it must be true.

So, do you have any proof that they aren't feeding on each other? Do you have any proof it is not more prevalent now than before when there was lots of ice around?
Someone saying "A" and someone else saying "B" and both simply saying the other is wrong is not debate. It isn't even argument.

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Some of these "researchers" should actually talk to the people who have lived amongst these animals all their life instead of relying what they can gleen off the net.
Next thing you know they will say they are drowning because the sea ice is melting.

Actually they can and do drown because they're too far from land or ice. Especially if they are cubs.

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With these claims if you follow the money you will see someones usually getting a grant to post this kind of crap.

You can only post what you see, which is basically just anecdote. Like you've never seen a bear eat a bear so that must mean no-one else has either. You see lots of ice and even get your cat stuck in it, so that must mean there's lots of ice and it isn't melting.

So do you spend your time wandering all over the Canadian Arctic looking for data in research, or do you just happen to notice the occasional event?

Freakin hilarious.
 
gerryh
#40
I am just lovin this. lol
 
L Gilbert
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

No,I dont waste my time with this crap anymore,I spent enough years in the arctic,had dinner many times with Canada's govt. polar bear experts when they did their research which was all the time and hooked them up with what ever they needed along the way to do their studys that I can tell **** from shinola when I see it.
Most of these grant suckers dont make it past Churchill and rarely leave their hotel room because they can do their research right from the net,it's about the biggest scam I have ever seen and its getting worse because so many people gobble it up.

Living in tha arctic is pure survival for man or beast,even humans have resorted to cannibalism up their to survive,this is not something that just happened.

The arctic is not complicated,go live a year on the barrenlands and you will also ask yourself where are all the scientists?Why dont they continue on with me past thompson or churchill?
Now maybe if they had the nuts to go spend 7 weeks on Devon island they would have some credibility on their research.
I've spent my whole working life in the bush,animals eat each other,all the time,live with it.

I noticed you said "most of these grant suckers don't make it past Churchill". So then you admit that there are researchers who DO get out and about in the Arctic. So just because the ones that stop in Churchill get info off the web, doesn't mean they ALL do.
besides, if there are researchers scooting around Antarctica, where conditions are a LOT more severe than the Arctic, I'm sure that there are researchers wandering around the Arctic.
Jeeez whatta jackass.

Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

You adapt very fast in the arctic or you die,polars are very good at stalking and hunting people on land,something most Griz wont do.
Some people dont seem to understand that in the summer most ice melts and the bears actually have to live on land during the (gasp) summer.They dont all follow the ice north,if theres food around they stay,if not they go find it.

With the Beverly and Dorothy Caribou herds wandering tha barrenlands it's not like there isnt an abundant supply of food on the tundra.

You seem to have the idea that bears that are used to hunting seal can just adapt to catching and eating caribou the day after they can't find seal. Yeeeeaaaaahhh, ok.
Jeez, if they adapted that fast, why would they go snooping around in dumps.



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Well,I hate BS and your opening topic is pure BS,I rarely post about stuff I dont know about,this is something I know about from personal experience so I may not be a photo journalist but Im just showing my creds are a bit more believable then the person you posted the opening topic about.

uhuh Perhaps you should just write a letter to the various scientific researchers about how much of an expert you are on everything concerning the north and charge them a fee for all your vast info. It'd make everyone's work so much simpler and you could get rich.

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

If the scientific welfare bums could be enticed into the arctic close enough to the bears and left there to study could that help the bears survive the arctic drought. How much food would the scientific welfare bums need so they didn't get to thin? Aren't the science welfare bums about the same size as seals?

How about shipping loads of dim rodents up there? lol
 
damngrumpy
+1
#42
Oh my God they are starting to behave like social conservatives. Republicans will
be pleased
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Do you want a hero cookie or something? You boast and brag like a child.

Wow!
 
Vancouverite
+1
#44
Lions kill the cubs of other lions, but that was never due to GW. There is substantial evidence to show that mammals engage in infanticide, to lessen competition for their own offspring.
 
Kakato
+2
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by VancouveriteView Post

Lions kill the cubs of other lions, but that was never due to GW. There is substantial evidence to show that mammals engage in infanticide, to lessen competition for their own offspring.

I've seen bears eat bears,griz,blacks and polars,seen Arctic fox kill their offspring,in fact a father will actually seek out the kits and kill and eat them.Thats normal,no matter what anyone seems to think.
Polar bears dont drown unless being run by a boat,they are not fast swimmers but have been known to swim for days,thats been well documented and I have seen it and heard how the Innuit do hunt them while I lived and worked with them.

The thing about all this fearmongering is it detracts from real conservationalism and the real problems faceing the arctic,like the boy who called wolf,soon people will just start ignoring the real problems.

Polar bears arent starving,the Innuit arent killing emanciated bears.
Polar bears have no problem living on land,they are very adaptable,like the griz who used to be prarie dwellers.
Bears are opportunists,they dont care where they get food,it can be a dump,the sea or the tundra,they go where the easiest food is,there is no shortage of food on the tundra,at the camp we were at this year in the arctic we were far from the sea yet wandering bears on the tundra were a daily thing,they can have a range a few hundred kilometers square,very well known by anyone who knows bears.
Polar bears are cannabilistic,so are blacks and Griz,nothing new here,anyone whos spent time in the bush knows this.
Environmental fearmongering is a huge bussiness,as you can see by some of the more ignorant comments on this topic,it scares people and they cough up money for grants,it's a huge scam and people who have experience in the bush know this.
I've been working in the mountains and spent many years in the arctic,in 35 years I have spent 34 of them in the bush away from most people.I see more bears in a year then most will see in their lifetime,I think that counts for something.
Last edited by Kakato; Jan 13th, 2012 at 02:36 AM..
 
gerryh
+1
#46
I guess this Inuit hunter must be full if shyte

Inuit hunter takes climate-change message to Durban conference - The Globe and Mail
 
Kakato
+1
#47
Stick to selling furnaces ger.

I flew through there many times and no one fell through the ice and the ice freezes and melts same time give or take 2 weeks.
Thats also where the Churchill bears pass through on their way north,funny how just north of Arviet at Rankin Inlet they encourage the people to do civil disobediance by claiming their useing self defense for hunting polars when the govt. cut back the quota's after public outcry from southerners who have never been north.

So whole towns will dis agree with that fellow,sorry but thats the way it is.
Barges freeze in same time every year on the Hudsons,so much for melting ice.
Last edited by Kakato; Jan 13th, 2012 at 09:31 AM..
 
gerryh
+2
#48
no comment on what the Inuit hunter is telling everyone? It's basically the opposite of what you are saying. Are you telling us that the Inuit are lieing?
 
Kakato
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

no comment on what the Inuit hunter is telling everyone? It's basically the opposite of what you are saying. Are you telling us that the Inuit are lieing?

All male Innuit are hunters,thats one guy,he is in the minority.
I'll take the word of the hunters I lived with thanks.
 
Tonington
+1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by VancouveriteView Post

Lions kill the cubs of other lions, but that was never due to GW. There is substantial evidence to show that mammals engage in infanticide, to lessen competition for their own offspring.

Nobody is claiming that cannibalism is a new behaviour, the claim is that it is becoming more frequent and it's correlated to climate change. It's written in plain English in the article for crying out loud.
 
Kakato
+1
#51
I tend to beleive things I see with my own eyes before something I read on the internet.

Animals have been eating their own kind since the beginning.
Amazing how many species do it.This is wiki so take it with a grain of salt but interesting.
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In zoology, cannibalism is the act of one individual of a species consuming all or part of another individual of the same species as food. Cannibalism is a common ecological interaction in the animal kingdom and has been recorded for more than 1500 species [1] It does not, as once believed, occur only as a result of extreme food shortages or artificial conditions, but commonly occurs under natural conditions in a variety of species.[1][2][3] Cannibalism seems to be especially prevalent in aquatic communities, in which up to approximately 90% of the organisms engage in cannibalism at some...

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Cannibalism (zoology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
 
gerryh
+1
#52
Maybe you should take a look at the documentary they an Inuik film maker put together with a lot more Inuik speaking of the changes up there, including elders. I imagine that they've would be all wrong to.
 
Kakato
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Maybe you should take a look at the documentary they an Inuik film maker put together with a lot more Inuik speaking of the changes up there, including elders. I imagine that they've would be all wrong to.

Well lots see it as some free money from the govt. so some have an agenda.The hunters out on the ice and the tundra dont seem to have a problem filling their kamutaks.

I'll make a bear prediction based on what I saw last summer while working in Peter Lougheed park.
Some one or more then one person is going to get mauled or eaten.On the trans Canada hiking trail where bears are protected by park boundarys I saw 5 griz in 9 kilometers and all with cubs.This is at the northern tip of the highwood pass where they relocate all the problem bears from the south.I saw so many close encounters of bears and mountain bikers that I'm amazed it didnt happen this summer,a girl did get mauled by a cougar though in the area I was working.This was another problem animal that was relocated after humans encroached on it's territory.

Thats way too many bears in that small an area,one bad berry crop and I wouldnt want to be in that area when the competition begins for food.This is just another example of what happens when we try too hard to interfere in the balance of nature by controling their populations.Some control is needed at times but overkill seems to be the name of the game.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#54
I was on the phone with my Mother In-law the other day. She's 82 and she was telling me that winters are worse than they've ever been. Ah, but for the good old days when the sun shone 18 hours a day 25 days a month and a bag a chips and a pop cost a quarter. Things were better back then, before all this Global Warming started happening. No school shootings, no bears eating their cubs, no shrill debates where hero cookies were involved.
 
Tonington
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

No school shootings, no bears eating their cubs, no shrill debates where hero cookies were involved.

Indeed, hero cookies weren't needed back in the good ole days. Discussions didn't involve someone spewing out their resume for trivial and irrelevant information.

The wise old owl sat on an oak, the more he heard the less he spoke. The less he spoke the more he heard. Many older folks on here don't resemble that wise old bird.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+1
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Indeed, hero cookies weren't needed back in the good ole days. Discussions didn't involve someone spewing out their resume for trivial and irrelevant information.

The wise old owl sat on an oak, the more he heard the less he spoke. The less he spoke the more he heard. Many older folks on here don't resemble that wise old bird.

Actually, from my vantage point you both could drop it down a notch or two.
 
Kakato
#57
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Indeed, hero cookies weren't needed back in the good ole days. Discussions didn't involve someone spewing out their resume for trivial and irrelevant information.

The wise old owl sat on an oak, the more he heard the less he spoke. The less he spoke the more he heard. Many older folks on here don't resemble that wise old bird.

Too bad they didnt have graphs back in those days.They also listened to the voice of experience,like I did in the Arctic,thats why I learned so much to share with the less experienced.
Someone thinks I just dig holes,I responded with my creds.Too bad if that breaks your heart,maybe you need a cookie.
 
Tonington
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

Actually, from my vantage point you both could drop it down a notch or two.

I did, otherwise I would have been responding to the same crap he's posting today.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#59
In approximately two weeks I am going to Yellowknife. For six weeks I will be running the ice roads. When I get back we will put this global warming business to rest once and for all.
 
Kakato
+1
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

In approximately two weeks I am going to Yellowknife. For six weeks I will be running the ice roads. When I get back we will put this global warming business to rest once and for all.

Have fun! You picked about the worst time to go though,April is nicer,at least the suns starting to come up then.
I passed on the north this year or I would be flying to YK next week too.

If you stay at the super8 there is a Timmys next door but if you want a coffee before 6 am you have to walk through the drive through and place your order that way.
Enjoy the northern lights,good time of year for them.
 

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