Are B.C. school teachers being realistic

JLM

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With job action and strife, right at the get go of the school year, is it a case of "enough's enough"? What do you think?
 

petros

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Clean up the mess in Victoria and BC might be a place where people can prosper and get tax relief instead of needing to bargain for basics.

Sell more raw logs, sell off more Crown assets, it's worked great for the past 35 years hasn't it?
 

JLM

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Clean up the mess in Victoria and BC might be a place where people can prosper and get tax relief instead of needing to bargain for basics.

Sell more raw logs, sell off more Crown assets, it's worked great for the past 35 years hasn't it?

Not sure if that has much to do with the teachers' dispute, but historically it has been B.C. who has provided the raw materials and Ontario who has done the manufacturing. :smile:
 

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Clean up the mess in Victoria and BC might be a place where people can prosper and get tax relief instead of needing to bargain for basics.

Sell more raw logs, sell off more Crown assets, it's worked great for the past 35 years hasn't it?

What basics would the already overpaid teachers be bargaining for? What crown assets have been sold?
The vast majority of raw log sales are from private property. WHich is no different than a farmer selling wheat instead of loaves of bread.
 

JLM

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What basics would the already overpaid teachers be bargaining for? What crown assets have been sold?
The vast majority of raw log sales are from private property. WHich is no different than a farmer selling wheat instead of loaves of bread.

Two weeks holidays when a friend dies. It would pay to have a lot of "friends"! :lol:
 

eh1eh

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If they're deal is anything like Ontario's then I think they should count their blessings and be happy they can keep the lush deal they have.
 

petros

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Not sure if that has much to do with the teachers' dispute, but historically it has been B.C. who has provided the raw materials and Ontario who has done the manufacturing. :smile:
Really? Raw materials? Like? Ingredients for pine cone soup?
 

petros

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Ontario has no trees? No fish? No copper? Lead? Zinc? Gold? Gas? Nat gas going to ON? Not bloody likely.

You might want to look into that
 

petros

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Not surprising being that Ontario is larger than B.C. and sits on top of the Canadian Shield. Outmines us for nickel that's for sure. How about moly?
You hit one but Chilean imports are cheaper.

What basics would the already overpaid teachers be bargaining for? What crown assets have been sold?
The vast majority of raw log sales are from private property. WHich is no different than a farmer selling wheat instead of loaves of bread.
Majority of forestry land and logging rights are leased from the Crown. It's not from private land.
 

damngrumpy

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The classic struggle is on and there are two sides to this. Let me set the scene.
Our government claims there is no money and for the most part they are right.
there is no money because of constant deficits and overspending and project
overruns.
Provincial Government over sight is all but blind. The convention center in hundreds
of millions over budget, supposed to cost 3 to 4 hundred million came in over a
billion, that's right over a billion. They built a roof on a stadium that doesn't really do
the job, original cost around 450 million could come close to twice that in the end.
These aer two examples of the mess they made. Even the HST was really brought
in to hide the real deficit at the time, they used it for deficit reduction 1.6 billion and
still they had a 1.7 billion dollar deficit. The bills have been piling up for years with
the present government, in fact they have a worse record than the NDP ever had.

Now should there be money for the teachers and the educational programs they need.
Yes and No At this time like it or not the money is not there for personal improvements
to what they have. As for class sizes and special needs kids, they should put more money
into those programs along with nutrition and so on.. Two weeks off when someone dies?
No.
The negotiation process has to be brought under control, true, but then this government
must be brought under control and I think that is likely to happen at the next election.
 

petros

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The classic struggle is on and there are two sides to this. Let me set the scene.
Our government claims there is no money and for the most part they are right.
there is no money because of constant deficits and overspending and project
overruns.
Provincial Government over sight is all but blind. The convention center in hundreds
of millions over budget, supposed to cost 3 to 4 hundred million came in over a
billion, that's right over a billion. They built a roof on a stadium that doesn't really do
the job, original cost around 450 million could come close to twice that in the end.
These aer two examples of the mess they made. Even the HST was really brought
in to hide the real deficit at the time, they used it for deficit reduction 1.6 billion and
still they had a 1.7 billion dollar deficit. The bills have been piling up for years with
the present government, in fact they have a worse record than the NDP ever had.

Now should there be money for the teachers and the educational programs they need.
Yes and No At this time like it or not the money is not there for personal improvements
to what they have. As for class sizes and special needs kids, they should put more money
into those programs along with nutrition and so on.. Two weeks off when someone dies?
No.
The negotiation process has to be brought under control, true, but then this government
must be brought under control and I think that is likely to happen at the next election.
When Victoria cleans up their act there will be more to spread around for everyone. Without education the entire province would grind to an abrupt halt rather than it's current banana slug crawl.
 

JLM

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You hit one but Chilean imports are cheaper.

Majority of forestry land and logging rights are leased from the Crown. It's not from private land.

We used to mine quite a lot of asbestos too, but I guess that stuff is politically incorrect now- works good if you don't drill it or sand it. :lol:

The classic struggle is on and there are two sides to this. Let me set the scene.
Our government claims there is no money and for the most part they are right.
there is no money because of constant deficits and overspending and project
overruns.
Provincial Government over sight is all but blind. The convention center in hundreds
of millions over budget, supposed to cost 3 to 4 hundred million came in over a
billion, that's right over a billion. They built a roof on a stadium that doesn't really do
the job, original cost around 450 million could come close to twice that in the end.
These aer two examples of the mess they made. Even the HST was really brought
in to hide the real deficit at the time, they used it for deficit reduction 1.6 billion and
still they had a 1.7 billion dollar deficit. The bills have been piling up for years with
the present government, in fact they have a worse record than the NDP ever had.

Now should there be money for the teachers and the educational programs they need.
Yes and No At this time like it or not the money is not there for personal improvements
to what they have. As for class sizes and special needs kids, they should put more money
into those programs along with nutrition and so on.. Two weeks off when someone dies?
No.
The negotiation process has to be brought under control, true, but then this government
must be brought under control and I think that is likely to happen at the next election.

Vernon Hospital is bigger priority than the teachers!

When Victoria cleans up their act there will be more to spread around for everyone. Without education the entire province would grind to an abrupt halt rather than it's current banana slug crawl.

The right kind of education including "The 3 Rs". Kids are graduating now who can't spell or use proper grammar. :smile:
 

petros

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We used to mine quite a lot of asbestos too, but I guess that stuff is politically incorrect now- works good if you don't drill it or sand it. :lol:



Vernon Hospital is bigger priority than the teachers!
Fact. Educated people don't have anywhere near the amount of health problems as those without.

ScienceDaily (May 14, 2008) — A new study finds a gap in overall death rates between Americans with less than high school education and college graduates increased rapidly from 1993 to 2001. The study says the widening gap was due to significant decreases in mortality from all causes, heart disease, cancer, stroke, and other conditions, in the most educated while death rates among the least educated remained relatively unchanged. The study is the first to examine recent trends in socioeconomic inequalities in mortality from all causes as well as several leading causes of death in the United States using national individual-level socioeconomic measures.
 

JLM

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Fact. Educated people don't have anywhere near the amount of health problems as those without.

Yes and no, there's lots of fat people perched behind executive's desks! Guys on the business end of a shovel don't usually get too fat. :smile:

petros ScienceDaily (May 14 said:
OK Petros, I'll give you that one! :smile: