Canada Lax on Negotiating Arctic Sovereignty

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Time, Canada, to negotiate the Northwest Passage


It's never been easy for Canada to talk about the Northwest Passage with the U.S. The passage was the holy grail for explorers from Cabot to Hudson and Franklin, whose discoveries helped define our northern nation. The Northwest Passage also constitutes Canada's most significant long-standing dispute with the U.S. It's a source of both pride and anxiety in our close but asymmetrical relationship.

Still, we've managed to talk before. In 1988, Brian Mulroney resolved the sovereignty challenge posed by U.S. Coast Guard icebreakers. In return for Ronald Reagan agreeing that such ships would request permission from Canada, Mulroney promised that permission would be routinely granted.

Our current prime minister, however, seems to have missed that lesson in pragmatic diplomacy.

In fact, during his very first press conference as prime minister back in January 2006, Stephen Harper took aim at then U.S. ambassador David Wilkins for having simply reiterated Washington's longstanding position — that the Northwest Passage is an international strait open to foreign shipping. "It is the Canadian people we get our mandate from," said Harper, "not the ambassador from the United States."

It was a potentially damaging rebuke, for just a few months earlier, Paul Cellucci, Wilkins's predecessor, had revealed that he had asked the U.S. State Department to re-examine Washington's position. Cellucci's concern was that terrorists might take advantage of ice-free conditions to enter North America or transport weapons of mass destruction via its largely unguarded northern coast.

Cellucci went so far as to suggest publicly that Canada's position — that the Northwest Passage constitutes "internal waters" where foreign vessels are subject to the full force of Canadian law — might now work for the U.S.

Five months later, in July 2007, Harper bluntly stated that "Canada has a choice when it comes to defending our sovereignty in the Arctic. Either we use it or we lose it." The message to the international community was clear: Canada wasn't interesting in compromising its go-it-alone position.

But the scale of the challenges we face in the North changed dramatically in September 2007 when there was a massive retreat of Arctic sea ice and, for the first time, the entire Northwest Passage was open to shipping.

It now appears possible that the thick, hard multi-year ice that poses the greatest risk to ships will disappear forever within five to 10 years. The Northwest Passage will then resemble the Gulf of St. Lawrence, where ice-strengthened vessels and icebreaker-escorted convoys can operate safely throughout the year.

The prospect of increased shipping, of course, brings with it security and environmental risks like smuggling, terrorism and oil spills that often transcend boundaries. And the fact is that neither Canada nor the U.S. with its long Alaskan coastline is able to address these challenges adequately on its own.

It's time to negotiate the Northwest Passage dispute; to talk about the commitments — on access, policing and search-and-rescue — that the U.S. might wish from Canada, in return for recognizing our claim to this passage as "internal waters."


Time, Canada, to negotiate the Northwest Passage - Canada - CBC News
 

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Far as I'm concerned there is nothing to negotiate. With the possible exception of Alaska it is ours right up to the north pole. I say possibly Alaska because I am not convinced that the Russia had the right to sell what may have really been part of the British Empire to the US.
 

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Not likely. It's still dark and cold every winter. When the length of the day at winter solstice is increased then maybe, just maybe winter will go away.
 

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Arctic seabed 'belongs to Russia'

The Mir-I was used to help plant a Russian flag on the Arctic seabed

A Russian expedition has proved that a ridge of mountains below the Arctic Ocean is part of Russia's continental shelf, government officials have said. The Natural Resources Ministry said tests on soil samples showed Russia was linked to the Lomonosov Ridge.
Moscow has mounted several expeditions recently - and risked tensions with rivals in August by planting a flag in the seabed below the North Pole.
The Arctic is thought to be rich in oil, gas and mineral reserves.

Correspondents say Russia's main rivals for the supposed spoils - the US, Canada and Denmark - have been angered by Moscow's recent aggressive strategy in the region.

See detailed map of the region
Under a United Nations convention, the country claiming ownership of the region's ocean floor must show evidence that the seabed is an extension of their continental shelf.
Evidence claim
Moscow has repeatedly argued that the Lomonosov Ridge is part of its land mass - and now the Natural Resources Ministry believes it has the proof.
Nasa photo shows ice cover in 2005 and as it was in 1979

The ministry said analysis of samples from the ridge - taken in May and June - showed "the structure of the underwater Lomonosov mountain chain is similar to the world's other continental shelves".
The statement added: "The ridge is therefore part of Russia's land mass."
Marine research official Viktor Posyolov told Russia's Tass news agency the claim could extend Russia's seabed by 1.2m sq km (463,323 sq miles).
He said the territory could potentially yield 10,000 billion tonnes of conventional fuel.
In a further sign of its intent, the Kremlin announced that four strategic bombers were to make training flights over the Arctic and the Atlantic Ocean.
Rival expeditions
Russia's claim to a vast swathe of territory in the Arctic has sparked an increasingly tense rivalry with other countries who believe they have a claim.
After Russia planted its flag in the seabed, Canada vowed to increase its icebreaker fleet and build two new military facilities in the Arctic.
Denmark recently sent a team of scientists to the Arctic ice pack to seek evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge was attached to the Danish territory of Greenland.
And a US Coast Guard icebreaker also set off late last month for a research expedition - although scientists said the trip had been planned well before the Russian move.
Competition for territorial and economic rights has heated up as melting polar ice caps have introduced the possibility of exploiting the previously inaccessible seabed.



1) North Pole:
Russia leaves its flag on the seabed, 4,000m (13,100ft) beneath the surface
2) Lomonosov Ridge:
Russia argues that this underwater feature is an extension of its continental territory
3) 200-nautical mile (370km) line:
Shows how far countries' agreed
4) Russian-claimed territory:
The bid to claim a vast area is being closely watched by other countries


 

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....yes it has petros . has anything changed ?
It doesn't mater who claims the ownership petros ,a the end China will buy it all . haha
 

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Where do you stand on the content of this cut and paste mental?

Sorry, I had to "post and run" because of personal commitments.

This unfortunate - or fortunate - circumstance depending on how you look at it, came into place entirely because of climate change. The Northwest passage is probably the most important component of arctic sovereignty, as the rest is mostly a few small islands that we can give up to Denmark as a token gesture. Now that the passage has cleared up, it has become imperative for us to either negotiate whether it is accepted internationally as our "internal waters", or if it should be deemed an "international straight."

Here is a good primer for anyone concerned about the state of affairs up there:


‪Michael Byers on Canada and Arctic Sovereignty [FULL]‬‏ - YouTube

For my part, I don't really care either way. However, the sooner we negotiate the terms and conditions of its use, the sooner we can end this diplomatically and avoid military conflict. By stalling, we're essentially accepting the possibility of an unnecessary and costly fight.

What's worse is that we don't even have the right equipment to handle a military conflict in the arctic. Some have pointed to the boondoggle $30 Billion investment into those F-35 jets, but they've been shown to be incapable of taking on that kind of mission - primarily because we require search and rescue planes, and secondly, because they are not geared for conflict over large distances..


The F-35 is a stealth fighter designed to penetrate radar defences on the first day of a war. It's the sort of plane you would use to create “shock and awe” in Baghdad or Tehran.

Unless Canada is planning on being the sharp end of the American spear, we don't need stealth technology. The F-35 is designed for short takeoff and landing, with two of the three versions destined for aircraft carriers. Canada, of course, doesn't have aircraft carriers.


And all that stealth technology and short takeoff and landing capacity comes at a cost. In addition to the price tag of about $135 million per plane, the F-35 has a relatively short range.


This makes it an odd choice for a large, sparsely populated country.


The short range also makes the F-35 more dependent on mid-air refuelling, which is a challenge in remote locations. In parts of Canada's Arctic, it can take eight hours for a C-130 Hercules tanker to arrive.


Canada's most desperate procurement need is for fixed-wing search-and-rescue aircraft that could be built in Canada by Bombardier.


The Harper government claims that the F-35 program creates opportunities for the Canadian aerospace industry, and that it needs to commit now so that contractors can secure work related to the F-35 orders expected from other countries.

But opportunities for Canadian industry would be created by sourcing search-and-rescue planes here.

The fact of the matter is, Friday's F-35 announcement has more to do with supporting U.S. companies than Canadian ones.


$16 billion for the wrong planes - thestar.com
 

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Okay, fair enough.

I had no idea about the refueling planes. Still, the effectiveness of conflict over large areas are still hampered with these planes. It would be extremely costly to continually refuel or position so many CC-150s over the map.

That said, if you watch the piece with Byers, it's clear that we can resolve this issue early if we begin talks - starting with Denmark over Hans Island. Byers was able to come to a settlement in minutes with the Danish correspondent, but parliamentary efforts are nil at this point.

Heck, one of the U.S. diplomats even used the argument of a 'terrorism' to our advantage to secure the passage as internal waters.

And the sooner we can make the claim, the better it is for Canadians' and Nunavut security and the economy.
 

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Okay, fair enough.

I had no idea about the refueling planes. Still, the effectiveness of conflict over large areas are still hampered with these planes. It would be extremely costly to continually refuel or position so many CC-150s over the map.
This is Canada, why are you contemplating Canada's participation in global conflict?

I thought you were against that sort of thing?

Would buying a plane that wouldn't be good for that, be something you'd support?
That said, if you watch the piece with Byers, it's clear that we can resolve this issue early if we begin talks - starting with Denmark over Hans Island. Byers was able to come to a settlement in minutes with the Danish correspondent, but parliamentary efforts are nil at this point.

Heck, one of the U.S. diplomats even used the argument of a 'terrorism' to our advantage to secure the passage as internal waters.
Why are you so quick to negotiate away our sovereignty now? Weren't you one of the crowd that called into question Harpers ties to the US?

And the sooner we can make the claim, the better it is for Canadians' and Nunavut security and the economy.
Is there something I missed?

Has someone threatened us, over Harpers steadfast stance on Canada's historical claim to the region?
 

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Has someone threatened us, over Harpers steadfast stance on Canada's historical claim to the region?

Harper's stance is political theater right now. He can go up on stage and say 'use it or lose it - and we use it' (which is admirable), but that won't be enough to have a diplomatic solution that avoids further confrontation. It needs to be internationally recognized that the Northwest Passage constitutes our 'internal waters' to give Harper's rhetoric some clout.

Check out the Byers clip. He's pretty concise, and his expertise on this matter really shows.
 

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Research quietly backs Canada's claims on Arctic sovereignty

There will be no flag-waving or patriotic chest-thumping, but Canadian scientists are quietly set to make one of this country’s most important assertions of Arctic sovereignty in decades on Friday at a geology conference in Norway.

By Canwest News Service August 6, 2008

“Their landmark findings, the initial result of years of sea floor mapping and millions of dollars in research investments by the Canadian and Danish governments, are to be presented at the 2008 International Geological Congress in Oslo under the innocuous title “Crustal Structure from the Lincoln Sea to the Lomonosov Ridge, Arctic Ocean.”


Research quietly backs Canada's claims on Arctic sovereignty