Casey Anthony trial


Kreskin
#1
I'm a bit of court watching fan. Court is a fascinating arena to me. When I get a chance to follow something I will. Being off work this week I've watched a good chunk of the Casey Anthony trial through the live CNN feed (case is televised).

Anyone else following it?

Not only does she make OJ look like a Saint, her lawyers have to be the worst legal buffoons in the business. Under cross examination the witnesses make her lawyers look like idiots.

Anthony has set the new benchmark for being a fu ck up baby killer.

What she should do is throw in the towel and take her lumps. There is no way the jury will find her not guilty.

Jurors hear Anthony police interview, jail visits - KLTV 7 News Tyler, Longview, Jacksonville | (external - login to view)
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#2
First I've heard of it. I googled it. What a wretched human being.
 
Ariadne
#3
I have to admit that I'm actually a frequent follower of unusual cases. I watched the Brad Cooper (listened) when I could. I, and many others, were leaning towards a not guilty verdict until the Judge excluded defence testimony on computer forensics. I think there is a strong case for appeal. In case you haven't followed that one, Nancy Cooper is from Edmonton, Brad from Medicine Hat ... they moved to North Carolina in 2001 (Cisco job transfer) and he probably murdered her back in 2008 for the usual reasons that men murder their wives ... financial mess, heading for divorce, extramarital affairs, love/hate relationship. He was sentenced to life in jail on 1st degree murder ... appeal pending.

The Casey Anthony trial is also quite something. The defence lawyer Baez is a complete idiot. His cross examination seems to have no focus, he has no trial experience, he has no death penalty case experience ... and he arrives in court unprepared (forgot the files - oops). Anthony has thrown her family under the bus to attempt to get out of responsibility for murdering her daughter and then partying for 31 days until ... oops ... the lies unraveled when the decomposition smelling car was found at the towyard. She'll be found guilty. It's painful to watch what her parents are going through because of her ... so torn between their daughter, their granddaughter, and the requirement to testify in ways that will hurt their daughter. I wouldn't be surprised if their health suffers from the experience.
 
Kreskin
#4
Haven't heard of the Cooper case. Speaking of forensics and computers I watched one of those investigative report shows where a guy had been involved in child porn. As they dug deep further it was determined that his wife did it all on his laptop to make him look bad because they were heading for divorce court.

You're bang on with the Anthony case. I can't follow the logic of Baez. Sometimes he grills a witness in a way that almost makes the point of the prosecution. Other times he's incoherent. And where did they come up with this drowning defense? If they had wanted to defend with anything remotely reasonable they would have said she attempted to use chloroform to relax Caylee but accidently killed her, then panicked and made it look like a cover up with the tape. That might have almost half believable, but it isn't at all with this accidental drowning stuff. If you're daughter accidently drowns you phone 911 because there isn't anything to hide at all.
 
Ariadne
#5
Baez made a huge blunder in asking the mother what lies her daughter told her - as that opened up the possibility for the prosecution to introduce Casey's prior fraud and theft charges. They haven't introduced it yet, but it was a huge blunder on behalf of an inexperienced buffoon of a lawyer. Incoherent is a good word to describe his cross examinations ... he seems to be talking just to hear his own voice. He doesn't seem to get it when the judge tells him that he can't ask a question ... he just keeps asking it - seemingly unable to distinguish between what types of questions are acceptable and which are not. In fact, many of his statements are not questions ... just phrases where he wants the witness to agree with him. Yesterday he tried to impeach the testimony of a police officer because the officer was on a forum talking about his broken leg and sympathy for the family.

The drowning defence probably came from discussion forums long ago. There was a lot of speculation early on about what may have happened - before the body was found. Some people wanted to believe it was an accidental death and Casey was simply too scared to deal with it. However, with evidence of chloroform and syringe, decomp in the car, a body dump 5 minutes from the family home, duct tape and heart stickers on the child's mouth (jaw bone) ... those speculations about drowning dried up pretty fast. Only the buffoon lawyer is hanging onto something that is now an impossible theory. A 2 year old can't and doesn't put a ladder on the 4' high pool, climb in and drown.

I think the accidental death with chloroform is quite possible. Zanny the Xanax nanny was Casey's babysitter long before the murder. I suspect that she drugged her child when she wanted to party. It's also possible that she decided to deliberately murder her. She had a new guy and he didn't think it was right for a young child to be hanging out at his place ... and Casey couldn't hang out with him without a babysitter. She was trying to impress him any way she could ... lies about studying, working, having a good income, having a nanny, and stealing money to buy food and beer for the boyfriend. Casey strikes me as solid psychopath (anti-social personality disorder). Her actions indicate she was relieved with the death of her daughter, not saddened.

Her defence of "I was sexually abused by dad, my child drowned, dad covered it up and hid the body, and then the water meter guy took the body and played with it for a few months" is just plain bizarre, and borderline "perpetrating a fraud upon the court".
 
Highball
#6
This is a good example of what starving lawyers can do to you in the courtroom. I didn't have too much of a high regard for inept professionals and this guy is among that group. But Casey is a cool customer. She in my opinion is a Black Widow and has absolutely no remorse for snuffing her daughter. Party girl supreme. My dad always told me those girls who were cold blooded killers were some how related to Police Stations. Detectives coming and going at all hours of the day. Remember, it may stretch a little but it won't wear out.
 
Ariadne
+1
#7
Watch this clip to see the buffoon in action

RAW VIDEO: Day 19 In Casey Anthony Murder Trial Pt. 14 - Video - WFTV Orlando (external - login to view)

The judge is so very patient, and the prosecution has to be so careful not to give the buffoon some excuse to throw the case.

I sure like the judge!

Highball, you're right, she has absolutely no remorse for murdering her daughter. The defence would like us to believe that because her father sexually abused her as a child of 8 (absolutely untrue), she became a compulsive liar - yet miraculously has no other scars resulting from the experience. She told her brother that she withheld her daughter from her mother for 31 days because she is "a spiteful bitch". There was tension between Cindy the grandmother and Casey the mother regarding Caylee the granddaugther/daughter. Casey could have given her daughter to her mother and moved out, had her useless life and done whatever she wanted - anything except move home and expect her mother to look after her daughter while she did nothing but party.

Since Casey wasn't working, but was pretending to work ... one wonders what she did all day with her daughter when she was away from the house - dragged her shopping? She certainly didn't belong to any mom and tot groups - since there were no children at her 2 year old birthday party. She's quite a monster. Looking at her facial expressions, she's got some really confrontational, hard looks. I can't imagine what a 2 year old must have been thinking looking at that mother. Caylee would have been able to talk about what she did during the day ... was Casey telling her what to say to her grandmother? It's such a bizarre case ... such dysfunctional people.

This is going to look like a really long post ... but ...

What might have happened? ... I'm always a sucker for the evidence and the prosecution theory. I think that Casey wanted to go on a date with TonE and didn't have a babysitter. I think she thought that maybe she could go to NY with TonE if she didn't have to look after her daughter. Casey put Chloroform on Caylee's face until she was dead, and then put her in the trunk of the car. After a few days, it started to smell in the car, so around the 24th she went home, backed the car into the garage and thought about burying her daughter. She asked the neighbor for a shovel, and then apparently had second thoughts. Instead, she got a couple of garbage bags and bagged her daughter after placing a couple of heart stickers on the duct tape on her mouth. She probably realized that if someone opened the trunk, a body in some garbage bags wouldn't look too good, so she got the Winnie the Pooh laundry bag, and put her daughter inside. She grabbed a blanket, and threw it all into the trunk. A couple of days later (don't have the dates clear in my head) maybe around the 27th, she's out of gas. Somewhere in there, she puts her daughter's body near her house in a place that she and a childhood friend called the "Pet Cemetery". I suppose Casey had her own private funeral for her daughter ... heart stickers, Winnie the Pooh blanket and into the swamp.
 
spaminator
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

First I've heard of it. I googled it. What a wretched human being.

agreed.
 
Kreskin
#9
I think the motive has something to do with how Casey was living (where did her income come from if she didn't work at Universal?) and her daughter growing up and possibly already exposed to some dirt. Soon Caylee would be telling gramps and gramms things that would either expose Casey for what was really going on in her life or make it even more difficult for Casey to keep the juggling act straight.
 
EagleSmack
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

I think the motive has something to do with how Casey was living (where did her income come from if she didn't work at Universal?) and her daughter growing up and possibly already exposed to some dirt. Soon Caylee would be telling gramps and gramms things that would either expose Casey for what was really going on in her life or make it even more difficult for Casey to keep the juggling act straight.

I'm not fans of her parents. At first her mom makes that hysterical 911 call saying that something smells dead in Casey's car and her grand-daughter has been missing. Fast forward to her adamantly saying her daughter is innocent.

In my opinion, Caley was simply a burden to Casey and she wanted that burden gone.
 
SLM
#11
And yet another one to take her place alongside Susan Smith and Diane Downs in the annals of modern day baby killers. What a monster, she deserves everything she has coming to her and more.
 
spirit1st
+1
#12
Hard to say what happen to this baby! I doubt she killed it ? But not saying she did not? She seemed to love the little girl? But was young and the child could have died in the pool or some other way? I see no way they can say she killed the child! They are just guessing how the child died! The whole case is about guessing! I think , the child died because the mother was not watching her! But the woman is such a liar, no one can believe her!And she was afraid to tell the truth about it all1 Her family appears to have only cared about the baby! The woman was seeking love and thought sex was love!
She lived a sad unhappy life! Easy for us to judge things , we do not know the truth about? At least one of her friends know the truth! That is really all she had going was the child! Now that the child is gone ? she has nothing in life! She has no future now ? Unless she repents and gives her life to Jesus Christ! We never know how things will turn out for any? But , we know we reap what we sow!
 
YukonJack
#13
I would like to say that let the jury find her guilty or not guilty, but after the O.J. Simpson case I DO have my doubts about juries.
 
spirit1st
#14
O.J. was different! the Blacks knew the guy was guilty! yet found HIM innocent! This case there is no proof at all the girl did anything? except was not watching the child it appears? Even that . She could be innocent! There is no proof who killed this child , if anyone did? We can all guess about it! Who could believe her , no matter what she might say?
She appears too be raised to be a liar? She like so many people out there? Searching For LOVE and never looking in the right place?
We were created for Love and by LOVE to give Love and get Love! without LOVE we die! God is LOVE and He is our reason to Live and die! Has nothing to do with churches or others! It a One on One Relationship forever more!Sure She did not take care of her child right! But of course it would be by whos standards we even judge that?
 
Ariadne
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

I think the motive has something to do with how Casey was living (where did her income come from if she didn't work at Universal?) and her daughter growing up and possibly already exposed to some dirt. Soon Caylee would be telling gramps and gramms things that would either expose Casey for what was really going on in her life or make it even more difficult for Casey to keep the juggling act straight.

She was stealing from her grandfather's account (he was in a senior's home - not all there), writing cheques on her mother's account and stealing cash from her, she stole her friends cheque book and used those cheques to buy all sorts of things. She was convicted of something like 9 counts of fraud.
 
Kreskin
#16
This is turning into a weird trial. I get a feeling she might get a manslaughter conviction or a hung jury. Not sure they have enough on the facts to pin her on murder one.
 
Ariadne
#17
There was chloroform in the car, a syringe and bottle at the body site that tested positive for chlorofom, her parents and the car-lot guy (who know the smell of death through work) have said that the car smelled like death, the car still smells like death, there was duct tape on the child's head (hair was caught in the tape) and a heart sticker on the tape, the mother wanted to spend more time with her boyfriend, on June 16 mother couldn't find a babysitter, that night she was child-free, she avoided family for 31 days and told friends there was a Zanny the Nanny (although she didn't have a job for a couple of years), she partied hard for a month until her mother cornered her. I can't imagine a jury falling for defence tricks, although they could have difficulties with the death penalty. Personally, I'd prefer to see her locked up for another 70 years. She is nasty to the core and has a terrific temper. I think she is already half mad and that perpetual prison will leave her completely mad - living in her fantasy world of pretend people. She's dangerously manipulative (as we saw with the guard that was fired for delivering mail between Anthony and another inmate). The latest question is whether she is mimicking a story from an inmate that was jailed, at the same time as Anthony, for letting her son drown in a swimming pool - where that grandfather provided 911 assistance. Anthony may have heard the story - and that is being explored as a source for her "story" about the death of her child - but Anthony added the twist of the grandfather (George Anthony) disappearing with the child because he abused Casey at the age of 8 ... and then the meter reader ran off with the body.

My first thought was that the defence was "perpetrating a fraud upon the court", and now I think the defence is trying to baffle them with bullschittz.

Seriously ... the defence brought in a low number count DNA expert from the Netherlands to testify that it is possible to get DNA from duct tape sometimes, but if it was in the water and swamps for a long time that possibility would be diminished. Really? The state expert couldn't get DNA from the duct tape, but it was found attached to the skull hair so it's not that difficult to figure out that the duct tape was on the head before it was found attached to the hair of the skull. The child is still dead, still in a swamp behind the house where the suspect grew up, the car still smells like a dead body and whether there was DNA on the duct tape is rather insignificant ... yet the defence introduced a Dutch expert on LNC DNA to say there might be readable DNA on the duct tape - which is rather meaningless in terms of evidence.
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spirit1st
#18
They say the step dad had a girl friend .He told her the child died in the pool! I saw her on T.V. She is going to be on the stand today!
 
Ariadne
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by spirit1stView Post

They say the step dad had a girl friend .He told her the child died in the pool! I saw her on T.V. She is going to be on the stand today!

And then the kidnapper supposed made four phone calls to the dad ... and then the water meter man ran off with the body?

So what if some [questionable] girlfriend of George testifies that he said that the child died in the pool. Is she going to say that he hid the body because he molested his daugter from the age of 8 onward, or what is she going to say he said he did next? If he told her that he hid the body, hopefully she asked why ... and then didn't get a good enough answer and immediatly called police. Baez is posing and posing and posing ... and then we're going to hear from a kidnapper that phoned George 4 times the day prior to the disappearance in June ... because it wasn't the meter man and the kidnapper, it was the sexabuse.

Furthermore, weren't George and Cindy spreading every lie they could to counter-act the facts they had earlier given about the dead body in the trunk?
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spirit1st
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by AriadneView Post

And then the kidnapper supposed made four phone calls to the dad ... and then the water meter man ran off with the body?

So what if some [questionable] girlfriend of George testifies that he said that the child died in the pool. Is she going to say that he hid the body because he molested his daugter from the age of 8 onward, or what is she going to say he said he did next? If he told her that he hid the body, hopefully she asked why ... and then didn't get a good enough answer and immediatly called police. Baez is posing and posing and posing ... and then we're going to hear from a kidnapper that phoned George 4 times the day prior to the disappearance in June ... because it wasn't the meter man and the kidnapper, it was the sexabuse.

Furthermore, weren't George and Cindy spreading every lie they could to counter-act the facts they had earlier given about the dead body in the trunk?

No one here really knows the truth about this ! I guess the child died by accident and they tried to hid it? That just a guess too? As father as the women being messed with by the step dad? it has nothing to do with the case! But it could prove to some degree? He would help her, fearing she would tell? but that is some more guessing? I doubt the jury will find her guilty of 1st degree ! Lots are in prison who are innocent! They can build a case on just about anyone they want too? I knew a cop once that said , He help put lots of people in prison who has done nothing! I lost all respect for the guy after He told me that!This girl just appears to be a dummy! I think she just listened to her step dad , thinking He was wiser? but that is just a guess too!
 
Ariadne
#21
I've heard plenty of prosecutors joke about it being more fun to convict the innocent, but it's nothing more than a joke. There is plenty of hard evidence connecting Casey to the murder of her daughter, starting with the fact that her car smelled like a dead body had been in the car. If Casey, who continued to use the "dead body" car after the smell was noticed by friends, was not responsible for putting her daughter in the trunk of her car, then who?
 
Kreskin
#22
That whole family is a sack of manipulative liars.
 
spirit1st
#23
There is no hard evidence,That she killed anyone! They could have her guilty of not being a good mother or even covering up?
But in the courts today, they could find her guilty!
She just appears a dumb girl too me! The Daughter was the only thing she had going for her! Once her family knew the little girl was gone? I doubt they would help her any! More than likely turn against her! I am guessing that is the reason she tried to cover it up? feel very sorry for her! She had no life , the only good thing in her who;e life time was the Child! We All see things differently , I find that OK !
 
Kreskin
#24
No mother would ever cover up a daughter's accidental death. She would call 911 in hysterics about 4 seconds after discovering the body, no matter how dysfunctional her family is (or isn't). The defense is using all sorts of nonsensical tactics. They keep asking questions as if the brother or dad might be the father (as if that would make any difference anyway) but they know full well that neither is. I hope they fry the wench.
 
Kreskin
#25
The delay in Saturday proceedings suggests something fairly significant is in the works. Is George ready to take the stand and take the fall for this? It sure seems like the family is doing everything it can to get Casey free. No matter how the case is looked upon it's coming down to whether she killed her daughter or believing her version of events where she alleges George found the drowned body and covered up the accident. She's a pathological liar so getting George to say that might be the only defense. She has put him into quite a pickle. First degree manipulation.

Yet, what still won't add up is why. What possible motive could there be for an ex-Cop to hide an accident, place a body in the woods close to his home and then have investigators think his daughter murdered his granddaughter? You don't have to be an ex-Cop (like George) to know that the body will be found and the inevitable circumstances are far worse than calling 911 to report a drowning accident. He isn't the father (proven already), and even if he was that wouldn't stop him from calling to get help for the dying child. And it sure the hell wouldn't stop a mother from doing anything possible to get immediate help.

If George plans to take the fall it would again be one of those non-disclosed discovery moments. Perhaps the prosecution is interviewing him again.

If this is where it's going the prosecution will have a field day with him on the stand.
 
spirit1st
#26
People do nutty things all the time! Lady here mother died! and she let her rot in her bed! No one knew this ladies mother died for a year or more!
Casey knew if her daughter was out of the picture, They would no longer help her and turn against her! Casey mother loved the little girl more than Her!
I saw the guys girl friend and heard her on T.V. tell that the man told her the little girl did die in the pool!
That woman had nothing to do with these people , except she was the step dads girl friend! I doubt very much she has any reason to lie about anything! She is the one person in these case we could believe ! She has not been on the stand yet? I wondering if it All about her now? They might just stop the trial if She is believed!
That would mean they would Stop it now? She already told it on CNN NEWS the other day! But if it True? Then it might open up two more cases! One against the step DAD and a new one against Casey?
 
Kreskin
#27
The woman's story likely doesn't say George said he found the dead body and hid it. There are all liars, the entire family. Cindy and George were saying anything to defend their daughter, and likely using the story Casey got from her jailhouse mate.

Casey used an elaborate set of lies, for what, to attempt to keep the police away from finding an accident? Her actions alone are completely nonsensical. The evidence against her is better than the evidence that linked Scott Peterson to his wife's death. Hell, even he reported his wife missing.
 
spirit1st
#28
Not talking about the mother! It was another lady . No relation to any of this messed up family! She the one who was to go to court and has not been on the stand yet! she the one i am guessing as stop it all? She was not going to say the guy hid the body! She was going to say ? He told her the little girl got into the pool by her self and died there!
It appears , you did not hear her on the news a while back?
 
Kreskin
#29
Neither am I. Casey and Baez had concocted a defense that said she drowned. What else is George expected to tell others, that his daughter is a murderer?
 
petros
#30
Did they ever recover the body?
 

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