Israel practicing apartheid and colonialism

[darkbeaver]

ei: South African study: Israel practicing apartheid and colonialism
South African study: Israel practicing apartheid and colonialism
Report, Human Sciences Research Council, 9 June 2009

A South African study has found that Israel is practicing apartheid and colonialism in the OPT. (MaanImages)
The Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa (HSRC) has released a report confirming that Israel is practicing both colonialism and apartheid in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).

The HSRC commissioned an international team of scholars and practitioners of international public law from South Africa, the United Kingdom, Israel and the West Bank to conduct this study. The resulting 300-page report, titled "Occupation, Colonialism, Apartheid?: A re-assessment of Israel's practices in the occupied Palestinian terri

Download the full report [PDF - 3 MB]

 

[gopher]

Who ironic that we went through all kinds of hell to stop apartheid and colonialism in South Africa. Yet, we have poured billions into sustaining and expanding it in Israel (which was apartheid's biggest supporter). This is total hypocrisy and stupidity of the worse kind.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Asia is a disaster we should avoid. This place stinks to high heaven in so many ways. We let Israelis get away with so much, and Arabs too. But they like the fight. Tough, dumb place here. Fighting over a non-existent Ggod/ess.

 

[Liberalman]

Arabs using their people as human shields while they launch rocket attacks on Israel on a daily bases thats OK

Arabs sending in suicide bombers to kill civilians thats OK

But when Israel tries to defend itself it's apartheid.

There is a peace proposal on the table and Israel will give in only if those three conditions are met but the Arabs said no which means they just don't want peace

 

[earth_as_one]

LM, It would be kind to describe most of your statements regarding Israel as just inaccurate misinformation. Your never responded to this whopper you told recently:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/i...srael-abducts-nobel-laureate.html#post1116546
If you have time, I wouldn't mind a link to reputable source backing up your "statement".

Regarding this post:

Arabs using their people as human shields while they launch rocket attacks on Israel on a daily bases thats OK

Arabs sending in suicide bombers to kill civilians thats OK

But when Israel tries to defend itself it's apartheid.

There is a peace proposal on the table and Israel will give in only if those three conditions are met but the Arabs said no which means they just don't want peace

Regarding the use of human shields. This recent Amnesty International report regarding Israel's Operation "Cast Lead" ...

( http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...a74-4853-860f-0563725e633a/mde150152009en.pdf )

... cleared Hamas and Palestinians of Israeli accusations that they were using civilians as human shields.

pg 75 ...The allegation that Hamas was using “human shields” was repeatedly made by Israeli
government and army officials and spokespersons... ...Israeli officials invariably
responded that Hamas must be held responsible for any harm caused to civilians by Israeli
attacks. Specifically, they accused Hamas of intentionally using the civilian population as
“human shields” for their military activities by being based within towns and villages...

pg 76
...Hamas, on the other hand, makes the argument that, as a political party, a social
organization and an armed group, it is based among the population throughout Gaza.
Militants affiliated to other armed groups do not dispute this and indeed make similar claims
for themselves. They point out that any fighting which took place in Gaza was at the behest
of Israeli forces which invaded Gaza, moving with tanks and troops into residential areas,
occupying civilian homes and launching attacks from these homes. They maintain that the
armed confrontations in or near residential areas were aimed at resisting Israeli ground
attacks and deny any policy of endangering civilians or using civilians as cover.
The groups openly acknowledge that their fighters and military facilities are present in towns
and villages in Gaza, but argue that their role is to defend their communities against Israeli
attacks and invasions. They said that they have no choice as to where they operate from and
point to frequent Israeli attacks against civilian homes and targets where there was no
presence of fighters or weapons as evidence that Israeli forces do not distinguish between
military and civilian targets.

That makes Hamas about as guilty of using human shields as any other military force defending a city from a hostile invasion force. The would include both London and Leningrad during WW II.

Wikipedia definition of "Human Shields"

Human shield is a military and political term describing the presence of civilians in or around combat targets to deter an enemy from attacking those targets. It may also refer to the use of civilians to literally shield combatants during attacks, by forcing the civilians to march in front of the soldiers.
Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel's claims about Palestinians using civilians as human shields doen't come close to meeting the definition.

On the other hand, Amnesty International did find plenty of evidence that Israeli military forces used unarmed Palestinians including children to protect military positions, walk in front of armed soldiers; go into buildings to check for booby traps or gunmen; and inspect suspicious objects for explosives. You can read all the details in Amnesty International Report "Operation Cast Lead": 22 Days of Death and Destruction pg 48-50:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...a74-4853-860f-0563725e633a/mde150152009en.pdf

The above matches the classic definition of "Human Shields", not the stretched one used by the Israeli military.

Where is your outrage LM?

I don't think anyone here is arguing in favor of Palestinian suicide bombers. By the way, when was the last time that happened? So that statement is diversionary.

What Israel does can because described as "Apratheid" because it fits the definition. So does Israel's use of human shields.

 

[petros]

Arabs sending in suicide bombers to kill civilians thats OK

perhaps there is no news coverage of the terrorism Israelis pull on Palestine. Every time a Palestinian is shot from a bullet that came from a settlement does it make the news? Do any Israeli bombs set off make the news? How how about Palestinian women being run over with Israeli bulldozers, do you see that on the news? Why not? Why just one side all the time?

 

[ironsides]

Now, I know these sources do not compare to what you use, but they represent facts, not the pleading of bleeding hearts.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/israel-terror.htm
http://www.templemountfaithful.org/News/20020311.htm
http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_attacks.asp

"Is the anti-terrorist fence not a manifestation of apartheid and racism?
[SIZE=-1]Almost every Palestinian claim attaches the term "apartheid" to the fence. But the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is nothing like the situation that existed in South Africa, and Israel's anti-terrorist fence has nothing to do with racial separation, but with the need to prevent terrorism.
Racial separation, as embodied by apartheid, was used in South Africa against fellow citizens of the same country; black South Africans were denied all rights and mingling between the ethnic groups was strictly forbidden.
Palestinian propaganda utterly ignores the fact that the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis is not a racial one, nor a domestic one, but, in fact, a national-territorial conflict between two distinct peoples.

• Israel does not wish to rule the Palestinians and accepts in principle the establishment of a Palestinian state, provided that it not be a terrorist state and that it exists in peace alongside Israel.
• Israel is basically interested in contacts between Israelis and Palestinians. The only reason that Palestinians have in recent years been restricted from entering into Israel is because of their terrorist attacks against Israelis, attacks that escalated every time Israel tried to relax restrictions.

The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. But Israeli Arabs are citizens, and they have equal rights under Israeli law.
The attempt to depict the building of the anti-terrorist fence by Israel as somehow related to "apartheid" is ridiculous. What Palestinian propaganda purposefully omits is that the sole reason for the building of the fence by Israel is Palestinian terrorism."
http://www.israel-wat.com/fence_eng.htm

Anything Israel does is in response to what their enemies do to them, Israel did not start this war.

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[earth_as_one]

Now, I know these sources do not compare to what you use, but they represent facts, not the pleading of bleeding hearts.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/israel-terror.htm
http://www.templemountfaithful.org/News/20020311.htm
http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_attacks.asp

....

You are right. They don't compare. I quote objective sources. You quote pro-Israel propaganda. Anyone capable of critical thought knows the difference.

Global Security represents an American defense and homeland security viewpoint. The same people who make billions off war, death and destruction each year. The same people who arm Israel with CW agents like White Phophorus which Israel then uses on civilians. Not exactly objective, but much better than your next source

Templemountfaithful is about as subjective as you can get. Here are their objectives:

Long Term Objectives

1. Liberating the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation. The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosque were placed on this Jewish or Biblical holy site as a specific sign of Islamic conquest and domination. The Temple Mount can never be consecrated to the Name of G-d without removing these pagan shrines. It has been suggested that they be removed, transferred to and rebuilt at Mecca.
2. Consecrating the Temple Mount to the Name of G-d so that it can become the moral and spiritual center of Israel, of the Jewish people and of the entire world according to the words of all the Hebrew prophets. It is envisioned that the consecration of the Temple Mount and the Temple itself will focus Israel on (a) fulfilling the vision and mission given at Mt. Sinai for Israel to be a chosen people separate unto G-d, a holy nation, and a nation of priests, and (b) becoming a light unto all the nations [Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 42:6] so that the Name of G-d may be revered by all nations and the Biblical way of life may be propagated throughout the world.
3. Rebuilding the Third Temple in accordance with the words of all the Hebrew prophets. This temple will be a house of prayer for the people of Israel and all nations.
4. Providing a Biblical point of assembly in order that all Israel may fulfill the commandment to assemble three times annually at the times of G-d's festivals and at the place where G-d established His Name forever.
5. Making Biblical Jerusalem the real, undivided capital of the state of Israel.
6. Rejecting false "peace talks" which will result in the dividing of Israel and the breaking of G-d's covenant. G-d promised to Abraham and to his seed that the land and the borders of Israel are eternal and cannot be divided and given to other people and nations.
7. Supporting the settlements in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the Golan Heights as they are holy. No one is allowed to break the Word and the Will of G-d by commanding the settlers to leave. In the Biblical era, G-d commanded the people of Israel to settle the land completely. This command is applicable today. The holy connection and covenant between G-d, the People of Israel and the Land of Israel is eternal.

Short Term Objectives

1. To strengthen the organizational structure of the movement in Jerusalem in order to pursue its Long-Term objectives.
2. To raise the awareness of the people of Israel to the significance of their nation in G-d's plan of redemption. This will be accomplished in a number of ways including (a) youth education, (b) formation of youth clubs, (c) publication and propagation of relevant educational materials.
3. To demonstrate the fulfillment of the TANACH to the people of Israel.
4. To publicly proclaim the message of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Movement in newspapers, flyers, posters, newsletters, radio and television.
5. To demonstrate publicly to raise awareness of Israel to the issue of the Third Temple, the Temple Mount and the Land of Israel.
6. To buy a house in the Old City (Biblical Jerusalem) near the Temple Mount to establish a spiritual and educational center to be used by everyone. The four-ton cornerstone will be stored and exhibited on this site. This first stone of the Third Temple will soon be laid.
7. To organize conferences for the study of the issues dealing with the Temple Mount and the Third Temple.

Objectives of the Temple Mount Faithful

Hardly a balanced source, let alone objective.

The Anti-Defamation League is probably the best source of the three. Their mission was to fight anti-Semiticism and they probably started out with good intentions. But have since devolved to the point where they now mostly defend Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity. Some of its members have obvious Islamaphobic tendencies.

 

[gopher]

''Rebuilding the Third Temple in accordance with the words of all the Hebrew prophets. This temple will be a house of prayer for the people of Israel and all nations. ''


No go, kiddo. According to that same Bible, only the Messiah can re-establish the Judaic Kingdom. Therefore, only He can order the rebuilding of the Temple. Since Israel denies that Jesus/Yahshuah is Messiah, it is not the true state of Israel and cannot legally recreate that Temple.

 

[Just the Facts]

... cleared Hamas and Palestinians of Israeli accusations that they were using civilians as human shields.

Only one problem. It wasn't just Israeli accusations, it was Hamas admissions. They actually bragged about it. What's AI's position on that? Hamas was just kidding?

I don't think anyone here is arguing in favor of Palestinian suicide bombers. By the way, when was the last time that happened? So that statement is diversionary.

Thanks to the wall. It was because of suicide bombers and terrorist attacks in general that the "apartheid" wall was built in the first place, and it seems to be working.

 

[earth_as_one]

Only one problem. It wasn't just Israeli accusations, it was Hamas admissions. They actually bragged about it. What's AI's position on that? Hamas was just kidding?...

Post a link to a reputable source which supports this statement.

Your problem is that you get your information from subjective sources. Unlike your sources, Amnesty International went to Gaza and Israel and investigated the facts and called it like they saw it. They didn't put words in people's mouths, quote people out of context, selectively manipulate and omit information.... Based on their investigations and documented evidence, AI describes in detail Israel committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. AI behaves like a referee. They don't take sides. They remain neutral and objective. That's why AI is a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, unlike your sources.

The South Africans are experts on what is and isn't apartheid. In the case of Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories, they have determined that what's going on here isn't that different than apartheid South Africa. Just like apartheid South Africa, people have rights base on their classification:

1) Jewish citizens have full rights
2) Non-Jewish citizens have partial rights
3) Non-citizens have no rights.

The State seizes land from those without rights and awards it to only Jewish citizens. This process fits the definition of ethnic cleansing.

I don't support what Israel does, because I don't support crimes against humanity, war crimes, apartheid or ethnic cleansing.

 

[Just the Facts]

Post a link to a reputable source which supports this statement.

Translation: "I know you're right and I have no response other than a bunch of hogwash about AI's integrity and some BS about Israel and the obligatory dig at your sources, even though you didn't quote any, but what the hey, so hopefully you'll go on vacation and not respond."

Here you go, pick your own sources - about 21,000 to choose from.
hamas brags about using human shields - Google Search=

 

[darkbeaver]

Where's their teeshirts?

 

[earth_as_one]

Translation: "I know you're right and I have no response other than a bunch of hogwash about AI's integrity and some BS about Israel and the obligatory dig at your sources, even though you didn't quote any, but what the hey, so hopefully you'll go on vacation and not respond."

Here you go, pick your own sources - about 21,000 to choose from.
hamas brags about using human shields - Google Search=

Yet not a single reputable source in the bunch. Jihad watch was number 1.

BTW, a google search for "Israeli war crimes" yields 14,000,000 results and included links to recent news articles.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=israeli+war+crimes&meta=

Number 2 was Global Research "Photos of Israeli War Crimes in Gaza"

Notice the date:

January 30, 2008

Global Research Editorial Note

The atrocities of the Israeli military in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank directed against the Palestinian people are part of an ongoing process.

Recently, in the Gaza Strip, there has been an escalation of these atrocities.

In a bitter irony, this escalation of violence coincided with the U.S. President's arrival in Israel. This is the peace process that the White House, Tel Aviv, and the Arab regimes (the so-called "moderates") are talking about: death and destruction.

The following are grim and saddening photographs of the ongoing crimes against the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip.

There has been little done and said worldwide about how an entire nation is in captivity. Palestinians are prisoners in their own homes and ancestral lands, which have been transformed into a concentration camp.

These photographs presented to the readers of Global Research re-call the barbaric 2006 Israeli bombardment of Lebanese civilians, many of whom were young children.

The world watches in silence and without shame. Who are the real terrorists?

Take a good look at what you support JTF.
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ISRAELI WAR CRIMES
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7942

The reason why I said check the date is that the above pictures predate Operation Cast Lead by a year:

The Gaza War, codenamed Operation Cast Lead (Hebrew: מבצע עופרת יצוקה‎) by Israel, and known as the Gaza massacre (Arabic: مجزرة غزة‎) in the Arab world,[15] began on December 27, 2008, when Israel launched a military attack on the Gaza Strip. The stated aim of the operation was to stop Hamas rocket attacks on southern Israel and arms smuggling into Gaza.[16]

Between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinians, many of them civilians, and 13 Israelis were killed.[17] More than 400,000 Gazans were left without running water, 4000 homes were destroyed or badly damaged, leaving tens of thousands of people homeless, and 80 government buildings were hit.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

Israel's war crimes are not isolated events but a continuous series of atrocities committed over many years.

BTW, the South Africans aren't the only ones who noticed the similarities between Israel and the Occupied Territories and Aprtheid South Africa:

Jewish Voice for Peace:

Israeli Palestinian Conflict 101

....
....

Q: I see people compare Israeli law to Apartheid, what's the truth?

A: There are major differences between Apartheid in South Africa and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. But these are growing smaller all the time. Arab citizens of Israel face serious discrimination (see question above). But they are full citizens, and do participate in Israeli politics. They also have a relatively high standard of living, as compared to other Arab countries (though not as compared to Israeli Jews). But Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza enjoy no rights of citizenship, no real protection of law. This was not the case for Black South Africans. In the sense of there being two standards that are so different, the comparison to Apartheid is apt. And, as the occupation becomes more institutionalized, many Israelis believe that outright Apartheid is exactly what the future holds....

.....

I recommend this link:
Israeli Palestinian Conflict 101

 

[ironsides]

"Unlike your sources. Amnesty International went to Gaza and Israel and investigated the facts and called it like they saw it."


Amnesty International went to Israel already convinced as to what they were going to report. They never had any thought of giving Israel a fair investigation. Amnesty International was and has always been bias from the start when it came to Israel. Amnesty International wouldn't know facts if they witnessed the event happening right in front of them. Doesn't matter that for generations Israel has been terrorized by one terrorist organization after another. It is about time Israel hit them back and hard. People in Gaza want peace, rise up and throw Hamas out, then make a separate peace with Israel.

 

[earth_as_one]

AI identified war crimes committed by both sides.

Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity:
ref. pg 6-66

Palestinian war crimes:
ref. pg 66-72

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...a74-4853-860f-0563725e633a/mde150152009en.pdf

You have never referenced a source which identified both Israeli and Palestinian war crimes. You have never ackowledged that Israel has ever committed a war crime or crime against humanity.

I think firing unguided rockets and mortars indisciminately in the general direction of civilians is a war crime. Not very effective or efficient, but yes it qualifies as a war crime.

I also believe these actions are examples of war crimes and crimes against humanity:

1) Collectively punishing millions of people by limiting their access to food, medicine and other basic necessities.

2) Collectively punishing millions of people by deliberately destroying infrastructure: sewer, water, electricity...

3) Using heavy artillery and mortars to shell a city with high explosives, flechettes and chemical weapons (white phosphorus).

4) Directing snipers and front line troops to shoot "anything that moves".

5) Deliberately targeting police, judges, doctors, ambulance drivers, children and other civilians with precision airstrikes and sniper fire.

6) Deliberately targetting police stations, hospitals, court houses, homes, farms, businesses and other civilian buildings/structures with precision airstrikes.

7) Using civilians including children as human shields to protect advancing soldiers and military outposts, and search buildings for hostile forces and booby traps.

8 )Deliberately destroying agricultural land and equipment.

IS: Would you label any of the above activities as war crimes or crimes against humanity?

 

[Just the Facts]

Yet not a single reputable source in the bunch. Jihad watch was number 1.

Jihad Watch is not a source, it's a portal.

BTW, a google search for "Israeli war crimes" yields 14,000,000 results and included links to recent news articles.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=israeli+war+crimes&meta=

Number 2 was Global Research "Photos of Israeli War Crimes in Gaza"

Notice the date:


The reason why I said check the date is that the above pictures predate Operation Cast Lead by a year:


Israel's war crimes are not isolated events but a continuous series of atrocities committed over many years.

BTW, the South Africans aren't the only ones who noticed the similarities between Israel and the Occupied Territories and Aprtheid South Africa:

Jewish Voice for Peace:

Uh huh. Therefore, Hamas does not use human shields. Got it.

 

[ironsides]

I think firing unguided rockets and mortars indisciminately in the general direction of civilians is a war crime. Not very effective or efficient, but yes it qualifies as a war crime. Agree

I also believe these actions are examples of war crimes and crimes against humanity: What is the difference between a "War Crime, and a Crime against humanity?" Other than war being against humanity.

1) Collectively punishing millions of people by limiting their access to food and medicine. Depends, if these people are supporting attacks against Israel, then it is not a war crime. If these people are innocent hostages, then I agree that they should be protected and or liberated.

2) Collectively punishing millions of people by deliberately destroying infrastructure: sewer, water, electricity... Depends, if these people are supporting attacks against Israel, then it is not a war crime. If these people are innocent hostages, then I agree that they should be protected and or liberated.


3) Using heavy artillery and mortars to shell a city with high explosives, Do not like the use of the following in a city flechettes and chemical weapons (white phosphorus). I do not consider them war crimes though.

4) Directing snipers and front line troops to shoot "anything that moves". Israeli Snipers are never directed to shoot anything that moves, specific targets only. Israeli front line troops are never officially ordered to shoot anything that moves either, who knows what the lower ranks do in the course of battle..

5) Deliberately targeting police, judges, doctors, ambulance drivers, doctors and other civilian with precision airstrikes. With the exception of airstrikes, that is exactly what the terrorists do to Israel. Precision airstrikes does limit destruction.

6) Deliberately targetting police stations, hospitals, court houses, homes, farms, businesses and other civilian buildings with precision airstrikes.Who knows what those buildings are hiding, Hamas hides among the civilians, someone shoots at me from a building, I shoot back.

7) Using civilians including children as human shields to protect advancing soldiers and military outposts, and search buildings for hostile forces and booby traps. Now if this was as the pictures showed, then it was a war crime. Rhetorical statement. Is there anyway to differentiate between Hamas soldier and a civilian? No.

8 Deliberately destroying agricultural land and equipment. Legitimate target, feeds and clothes the enemy.

Would you label any of the above activities as war crimes or crimes against humanity? A couple legitimate war crimes.

 

[Matthiew]

Arabs using their people as human shields while they launch rocket attacks on Israel on a daily bases thats OK

Arabs sending in suicide bombers to kill civilians thats OK

But when Israel tries to defend itself it's apartheid.

There is a peace proposal on the table and Israel will give in only if those three conditions are met but the Arabs said no which means they just don't want peace

Just to advise you not to watch CNN again because your ideas are zionists ' ones .
Watch Al Jazeera International for example .

 

[ironsides]

Just to advise you not to watch CNN again because your ideas are zionists ' ones .
Watch Al Jazeera International for example .

'Missing the point'
Mark Regev, an Israeli government spokesman, told Al Jazeera: "Amnesty's report is problematic, it's based on very faulty methodology, it rehashes a lot of old stuff that was not confirmed and it misses the main point.

In depth

"This was that Israel, in responding to Hamas violence, tried to act as surgically as was humanly possible in a very difficult urban combat operation, while Hamas did exactly the opposite".
The Israeli military said the report had "succumbed to the manipulations of the Hamas terror organisation".
"Operation Cast Lead was a result of nine years of Hamas' unrelenting Qassam, Grad and mortar shell fire on more than a quarter of a million of Israel's citizens," a military statement said.
Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesperson, also rejected Amnesty's accusations on Thursday, saying the report was "neither fair nor balanced".
Barhoum said Hamas officials were not consulted before the publication of the report, which was "misleading" and ignored the size of destruction Israel caused.
"This report equates the aggressor with the victim and ignores international laws that guarantee resistance against occupation," he said.

Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Israel 'wantonly destroyed Gaza'

They also ignored the fact that it was Hamas who struck at Israel first.